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“He ‘d tell a lie when the truth would answer better.”

Posted by observer on August 1, 2025, 10:28 am

This was my Dad’s reaction after hearing Joe Biden speak. Now following Biden’s habit of lying, Schumer models that example over and over again, the most recent and obvious claim that the new ballroom scheduled to be built at the White House will be at taxpayer expense. Simply untrue, and well known and broadcast in the news. How totally deluded, ill informed and misanthropic one must be to buy into this rubbish.

Either way it wil be gold and tacky looking like everything he touches.

Posted by KR on August 7, 2025, 10:48 am, in reply to "“He ‘d tell a lie when the truth would answer better.”"

It will have to be redone once we have a real president again.

You won't ever be invited, so what do you care?

Posted by Mondo Fuego™ on August 9, 2025, 9:59 am, in reply to "Either way it wil be gold and tacky looking like everything he touches."

Really.

LOLS:-)))))

Posted by GOG on August 16, 2025, 10:16 am, in reply to "You won't ever be invited, so what do you care?"

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONY!

Posted by KR on August 16, 2025, 7:26 pm, in reply to "LOLS:-)))))"

GFY

I wouldn’t go if I was invited.

Posted by KR on August 9, 2025, 10:40 am, in reply to "You won't ever be invited, so what do you care?"

Quoting cretins now, I see

Posted by Mugwump on August 3, 2025, 5:01 pm, in reply to "“He ‘d tell a lie when the truth would answer better.”"

Well, A cretin is a step above your lervel, I guess.

I have never quoted you.

Posted by observer on August 7, 2025, 1:20 pm, in reply to "Quoting cretins now, I see"

My impression is it’s a throne room.

Posted by GOG on August 2, 2025, 7:27 am, in reply to "“He ‘d tell a lie when the truth would answer better.”"

It’s megalomaniacal imho. It reeks of grandiosity. The reality might be that the admin is envious of Buckingham Palace.

You’re reducing the function of the diplomatic world in such a way

Posted by observer on August 8, 2025, 11:05 am, in reply to "My impression is it’s a throne room."

as to totally misunderstand the actual purpose of such rooms. Embassies are just one example of the purpose:

Whether a democratic country's embassy has a ballroom or similar large space often depends on a combination of factors, including:
Size and scale of diplomatic activities: Larger embassies in major capitals with extensive diplomatic engagements are more likely to have such facilities for hosting receptions, events, and cultural exchange programs.
Historical context and architectural style: Some embassies, particularly older ones or those built with a more traditional focus on representing national grandeur, might have grand halls or ballrooms as part of their design, according to Architectural Record. More modern embassy designs, however, tend to emphasize security and functionality, sometimes at the expense of lavish spaces like ballrooms, says CNN.
Budget and resources: Building and maintaining large facilities like ballrooms can be expensive, and not all countries or embassies will have the resources to justify such a space.
Local culture and needs: The specific needs and cultural context of the host country might influence the design and inclusion of spaces like ballrooms. For instance, some embassies might prioritize dedicated spaces for cultural events or exhibitions.
In essence, while some embassies of democratic countries do feature ballrooms or comparable areas for hosting official events and receptions, it's not a universal feature. It varies depending on the specific embassy, the resources of the sending country, and the architectural and diplomatic priorities at the time of construction or renovation.

It's a question of priorities, at least for me.

Posted by Dancing Digits on August 8, 2025, 12:21 pm, in reply to "You’re reducing the function of the diplomatic world in such a way"

Who and what do you put first?

The US has money problems, big ones. And for too long, the government officials have forgotten that they are public servants. The leader of this country is suppose to be We the People.

Want to build and run/maintain a luxury ballroom? Place the proposal before the people - let them have a voice. Let them vote on the issue - if they think its a good idea, if they think the money should be spent elsewhere.

Be open - provide them with estimates on how much such a project, after completion, will cost to run and maintain. Lay all the cards on the table. This is not a classified military operation that needs sensitive info to be protected.

Agree. This smacks of an end run.

Posted by GOG on August 16, 2025, 10:27 am, in reply to "It's a question of priorities, at least for me."

I’m opposed to pomposity. The White House state dinners are rather small of room and tables, but cozy and warm. The intimacy is conducive to conviviality. That among diplomats is golden enough. However, were Guy Lombardo resurrected, and Kate Smith bellowing, one might fantasize a good time had by all 6,000 invitees.

Not your call.

Posted by Mondo Fuego™ on August 9, 2025, 10:09 am, in reply to "It's a question of priorities, at least for me."

So what. I won't let that silence me.

Posted by Dancing Digits on August 16, 2025, 7:12 pm, in reply to "Not your call."

Yes, but you will be invited. The rest of us will have to leave

Posted by GOG on August 16, 2025, 10:32 am, in reply to "Not your call."

greasy nose prints up upon the windows:-)

Ask the people? Silly right?

Posted by Trish on August 8, 2025, 1:55 pm, in reply to "It's a question of priorities, at least for me."

I couldn't agree with you more

Well, y’allcertainly did not ask the People if we wanted wide open borders

Posted by GOG on August 16, 2025, 10:29 am, in reply to "Ask the people? Silly right?"

and 20,000,000 invaders. LOLS:-))

Your problem with the Trump ballroom is a bit more deep-seated. You wouldn't have ...

Posted by Mondo Fuego™ on August 9, 2025, 10:08 am, in reply to "Ask the people? Silly right?"

... the same problem if the ballroom was a proposal by Biden, Harris or Nobama, even if it was going to be done at taxpayer (national debt) expense.

Fact!

No truer words ever spoken:-)

Posted by GOG on August 16, 2025, 10:33 am, in reply to "Your problem with the Trump ballroom is a bit more deep-seated. You wouldn't have ..."

I say this in the nicest way possible

Posted by trish on August 17, 2025, 2:50 am, in reply to "No truer words ever spoken:-)"

GFY

Please read my reply as to why I think the so-called redecorating is wholly unnecessary (not to mention gaudy)

RU Fn' kidding me Mondo

Posted by trish on August 10, 2025, 8:10 am, in reply to "Your problem with the Trump ballroom is a bit more deep-seated. You wouldn't have ..."

I would NOT approve of such a thing no matter who was in the WH. It's a disgusting waste of taxpayer money and horribly ugly at that.

I really dislike when you try to psychoanalyze me. How about asking first.

What kind of throne are you referring to? ;)

Posted by Dancing Digits on August 7, 2025, 3:10 pm, in reply to "My impression is it’s a throne room."

In fact it’s being paid for byTrump and private donors.

Posted by observer on August 1, 2025, 4:57 pm, in reply to "“He ‘d tell a lie when the truth would answer better.”"

Did Trump say who will be footing the bills to run the place?

Posted by Dancing Digits on August 7, 2025, 3:21 pm, in reply to "In fact it’s being paid for byTrump and private donors."

Who is going to pay to heat it, light it, cool it, pay the staff (surely a larger ballroom will require a greater number of staff), maintain it when something needs repairs?

I think that $200 mil (if that really is the final figure - you know how building projects don't always go as planned) could be spent more wisely elsewhere than a luxury ballroom with Trump's name on it . . . and surely he will name it after himself.

I wouldn't back any administration that was interested in such a project.

Not your call.

Posted by Mondo Fuego™ on August 9, 2025, 10:01 am, in reply to "Did Trump say who will be footing the bills to run the place?"

Same response as above: So what. I won't let that silence me.

Posted by Dancing Digits on August 16, 2025, 7:15 pm, in reply to "Not your call."

And did he say what they would get under the table in return?

Posted by Mugwump on August 8, 2025, 2:02 pm, in reply to "Did Trump say who will be footing the bills to run the place?"

The sulfurous scent of Trump is everywhere

That is a logical question to ask of any administration that tries to do such

Posted by Dancing Digits on August 8, 2025, 3:15 pm, in reply to "And did he say what they would get under the table in return?"

a project but fails to lay all their cards on the table.

Trump plans on tearing down the East Wing for the Trump Ballroom. At this point, I wouldn't put it past him to try and tear down the West Wing and put a Trump Casino there.

Hahahaha.

Posted by GOG on August 16, 2025, 10:36 am, in reply to "That is a logical question to ask of any administration that tries to do such"

Addendum

Posted by Dancing Digits on August 8, 2025, 7:21 pm, in reply to "That is a logical question to ask of any administration that tries to do such"

Exactly what will happen to the East Wing?

I have read that the Trump Ballroom will stand where the East Wing stands now - not alongside of it.

The logical conclusion is that the East Wing will be demolished or so altered in such a way as to be encompassed by the ballroom.

"The site of the new ballroom will be where the small, heavily changed, and reconstructed East Wing currently sits."

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/2025/07/the-white-house-announces-white-house-ballroom-construction-to-begin/

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/04/26/13/97708939-14391095-The_most_likely_location_for_a_Trump_ballroom_would_be_the_East_-a-2_1745669128955.jpg

I choose to major on the majors, not the minors.

Posted by observer on August 8, 2025, 9:30 am, in reply to "Did Trump say who will be footing the bills to run the place?"

Majors like closing the borders, expelling criminal illegals, shutting down Iran’s nuclear capabilities, the beautiful big bill, DOGE, the ever increasing economy, deregulation, shrinking the size of government, significant peace efforts around the world, transparent federal government, et al.

But, the ballroom is needed, too. A gracious gesture by the President to build it is a positive, not a negative, as is his refusal during both of his administrations to take a salary.

His opponents have done nothing, will do nothing, and cannot do anything - unless obstruction, failure to do one’s duty, lie, cheat and steal, advance socialism, corruption and other equally denigrating actions are considered SOMETHING!

There are no perfect people or governments, but there are innumerable measures for determining good, better, and best.
The “Low goals are attainable” crowd is rapidly diminishing and increasing their performance antics as they spin out of control.
And even they admit they have no leader, no plans, no meaningful agenda, just Trump derangement syndrome and lust for power.
Pathetic is a weak word to describe this fall from grace.

Hear hear!

Posted by GOG on August 16, 2025, 10:38 am, in reply to "I choose to major on the majors, not the minors."

Well let's take a look at some numbers regarding these 'minors':

Posted by Dancing Digits on August 8, 2025, 11:58 am, in reply to "I choose to major on the majors, not the minors."

White House West Wing: 3 stories at 40,000 sq ft

White House East Wing: 2 stories at 12,000 sq ft

White House, main building: 6 stories including Executive residence, ground floors and state floors at 55,000 sq ft.

Grand total sq ft of White House including both wings: 107,000 sq ft.

Trump's proposed ball room: 90,000 sq ft (compare that to the grand total of the current White House).

Cost to run the White House, annually: $714,000.00. Some cost breakdowns: heating and cooling annually - $41,790.00. Utilities - $61,000.00 annually.

How much will it cost to run the proposed Trump ballroom? I have been unable to find any estimates. I am not surprised. But it won't be a drop in the bucket.

The White House is typically repainted every 4-6 years using 570 gallons of paint. The total cost of paint and labor is difficult to calculate as prices are not fixed but increase over time. It can't be cheap though.

We have economic problems. Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security (to name a few) are in trouble due to, in part, the gross mismanagement of money (I am being polite) by the Federal government over many administrations. If any administration is truly serious about getting spending and the budget under control, of affording needed social programs for its citizens, cutting back here but spending even more there unnecessarily doesn't strike me as a reasonable formula for success.

Is the ballroom needed? No.

People have forgotten what a true need is versus a want/luxury. The Federal government will be able to continue to run using the East Room for large event gatherings. They have done so in the past and can continue to do so. It only seats 200-250? Poor babies! How they must be suffering!!

I for one doubt they have been suffering for the inconveniences they have to 'endure' by using an outdoor tent that is not appealing to their sense of visual beauty. (The Rose Garden was, at one time, a thing of beauty - they've wrecked that and now its a thing of concrete, cement or whatever the tile is made of.) Women can't wear their spike high heels and flowing gowns on grass? So wear something else. They'll survive. I've managed to 'tolerate' attending formal weddings held outdoor in a grassy garden and still look my best.

People who rely on Medicare, Medicare and Social Security are suffering when they are forced to go without needed meds/medical care or decent housing because of escalating costs and continued cuts in social programs that they paid for through their tax dollars.

Trump isn't accepting his Presidential salary? So what. He is a rich, fat cat. He is not the only President that did not accept the salary. If he can afford to plunk down millions to build this ballroom he certainly is far from financially needy.

The White House is a government building - not a palace, not a castle. We don't need a 650 seating capacity luxury ballroom to wine and dine people and other heads of state. It's a want, not a need.

I repeat - that money can be better used elsewhere. At the very least, stop the spending on luxuries. Many citizens of this country are in need and suffering. Federal government officials aren't suffering. They don't need any more luxuries.

I agree.

Posted by Skye on August 17, 2025, 10:05 am, in reply to "Well let's take a look at some numbers regarding these 'minors':"

It's wasteful and abusive to expect the American people to support and maintain such a thing, especially at a time when more and more people are suffering and having to tighten their belts.

Just today they were talking on KC's "Heart of the Matter" about cutting access to medical facilities, aid, and programs in KC, namely that support pregnant women and children. Now more people will suffer and die because they are cutting these services, and at a time when more people will be needing such services due to the extreme anti-abortion laws that they enacted after the repeal of RvW. On top of that, KC is trying to collect more in taxes to support many other necessities and services, such as education, and there is now an ongoing backlash and fight against raising real estate taxes by 50% or higher, where many people can no longer even afford to stay in their homes at those rates.

To build and indulge in such an unnecessary luxury that WILL be supported and paid for ongoing by taxpayers who are already suffering, is a monumental waste and abuse of power, IMO.

Let's all whine about it and stamp our little booties in "mostly peaceful" protest.

Posted by Mondo Fuego™ on August 9, 2025, 10:14 am, in reply to "Well let's take a look at some numbers regarding these 'minors':"

Whatever.

Posted by Dancing Digits on August 16, 2025, 7:20 pm, in reply to "Let's all whine about it and stamp our little booties in "mostly peaceful" protest."

Correction: cost to run the Wh annually is $16 million.

Posted by Dancing Digits on August 8, 2025, 7:55 pm, in reply to "Well let's take a look at some numbers regarding these 'minors':"

I am sure there are LOTS of favors involved

Posted by Trish on August 7, 2025, 4:42 pm, in reply to "Did Trump say who will be footing the bills to run the place?"

more gold statues...

And yes, I am most curious as to who

Posted by Dancing Digits on August 7, 2025, 5:46 pm, in reply to "I am sure there are LOTS of favors involved"

he is hiring to do this work.

I was heartbroken when I saw what he did to the historic Rose Garden.

Posted by Dancing Digits on August 7, 2025, 5:44 pm, in reply to "I am sure there are LOTS of favors involved"

If the garden needed work, fine - but he paved over it. Just what we need - more concrete and cement (yes, that was sarcastic).

His Office Oval renovations are tacky and gaudy - not the stately or dignified room I would hope for. He plans on renovating the Lincoln bathroom (oh please, not more gold. . . please!!)

And now this ballroom.... I could cry.

I actually cried

Posted by trish on August 8, 2025, 7:31 am, in reply to "I was heartbroken when I saw what he did to the historic Rose Garden."

such beauty just bulldozed away

I suppose it represents the destruction of your political dreams.

Posted by observer on August 8, 2025, 9:31 am, in reply to "I actually cried"

No it represents the destruction of beauty and history

Posted by trish on August 8, 2025, 1:54 pm, in reply to "I suppose it represents the destruction of your political dreams."

for no good reason.

You approave of the demolition of the rose garden?

It was first part of the WH in 1902 First Lady Edith Roosevelt

First Lady Ellen Wilson adjusted the layout for an open-air design 1913

1961 Kennedy redesigned the garden, giving it a more formal, symmetrical appearance and incorporating more diverse plants and colors.

1969 The redesigned Rose Garden was dedicated during the Johnson administration, and since then has been used for numerous presidential events, ceremonies, and press conferences

Not ONE of these administrations thought once about just tearing it up for what looks like a parking lot.

If you have no love of history, it's no wonder you hate it so much. Enjoy your paved over paradise

I Wonder

Posted by Deanna on August 2, 2025, 7:17 am, in reply to "In fact it’s being paid for byTrump and private donors."

when Most Democrats will realize they have been and continue to be lied to by their MSM???

Until they realize they’ve reached rock bottom, things won’t change,

Posted by observer on August 2, 2025, 10:47 am, in reply to "I Wonder"

imo..

what do you consider rock bottom

Posted by Trish on August 7, 2025, 4:47 pm, in reply to "Until they realize they’ve reached rock bottom, things won’t change,"

a president accepting a solid gold statue in return for tariff favors, perhaps?

enacting policies that infringe on people's privacy like medical records?

Breaking faith with long-time allies?

Turning the WH into a gilded party club?

Destabalizing agencies and firing people because they don't say what he wants, or have spoken out against him?

Putting wholly unqualified people in positions of power (this is a BIG list)?

Never mind. I know your answer. That somehow I have been brainwashed, but my eyes and ears don't lie.

Realizing the truth.

Posted by observer on August 8, 2025, 10:55 am, in reply to "what do you consider rock bottom"

glad you see it

Posted by trish on August 8, 2025, 1:59 pm, in reply to "Realizing the truth."

you're always asking for details. ... TADA (BTW I aslo provided it

I also provided it with links on Racism...oddly crickets.

Crickets are often appropriate!

Posted by observer on August 9, 2025, 9:46 am, in reply to "glad you see it"

especially when you have no reply to the truth presented to you

Posted by Trish on August 9, 2025, 9:47 am, in reply to "Crickets are often appropriate!"

Trish, it is obvious

Posted by observer on August 9, 2025, 2:50 pm, in reply to "especially when you have no reply to the truth presented to you"

that what you consider to be truth is not what I know to be truth.
You have so many variables and so few, if any, absolute that whatever you may feel on any given day can be proclaimed as truth. It seems to float your boat although, in the end, it may be a sinker.

What arrogant hogwash!

Posted by Mugwump on August 16, 2025, 1:12 pm, in reply to "Trish, it is obvious"

Please just ignore my posts from now on

Posted by trish on August 10, 2025, 8:12 am, in reply to "Trish, it is obvious"

and I will show you the same courtesy.

Your desire to always be right and have the upper hand is just too arrogant for my tastes. I have tried to be civil, but it simply doesn't work.

I have no ill will, I just feel like history has taught us it's a waste of time to engage each other.

Observer's lust for attention precludes that possibility.

Posted by Mugwump on August 10, 2025, 9:12 am, in reply to "Please just ignore my posts from now on"

I've pointed out that I never try to engage it in conversation but it thinks itself to important to extend that courtesy.

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