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DNI had some thoughts

Posted by ATL

on June 21, 2025, 22:09:01, in reply to "few thoughts on ISR-Iran (purely defense perspective)"

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few thoughts on ISR-Iran (purely defense perspective) - illiniranger June 17, 2025, 10:23:02

BIBI CALM THE FUCK DOWN! - ATL June 24, 2025, 7:19:29
- He is a deeply stupid and crazy person - Sounder June 24, 2025, 10:00:24
- say "bitch, be cool!"* - VIV June 24, 2025, 8:46:18
  - Be cool, Honey Bunny. * - illinijohn June 24, 2025, 16:30:12
Ceasefire timing has come and gone and missiles are still being fired.* - OB25 June 23, 2025, 23:25:45
- PLEASE DO NOT VIOLATE - assassin June 24, 2025, 0:16:01
  - Resorting to say, ‘please’ definitely evokes power* - timmer June 24, 2025, 16:54:31
  - Is this thing on?* - memyselfandillini June 24, 2025, 7:17:40
    - "I gave Creed a word doc that he thinks is a blog. There's some very disturbing stuff in there." * - haighter June 24, 2025, 10:21:53
- I believe they are playing by basketball rules, not hockey.* - Chuck Woodaby June 23, 2025, 23:35:29
This is a pump and dump scheme but for wars.* - Toonces June 23, 2025, 21:04:44
- *bombs stuff* ... *stops himself from bombing stuff* ... Nobel Peace Prize?* - SurfTheBoneyard June 23, 2025, 22:03:15
  - Well, that but more wag the dog so you can insider trade.* - Toonces June 23, 2025, 22:08:13
One thing’s for sure: whoever’s commanding that Army ADA unit at Al-Udeid…. - opossum jenkins June 23, 2025, 17:37:31
- *smiles and nods along in approval, pretends to understand any of the references in this subthread** - OB25 June 23, 2025, 19:11:11
  - The disputed islands lie here, off the coast of Argentina!* - assassin June 23, 2025, 20:45:19
- This is funny - illiniranger June 23, 2025, 18:11:18
  - So, I watched that video with extreme interest. - opossum jenkins June 23, 2025, 18:14:58
    - They’re bigly violating a bunch of orders - illiniranger June 23, 2025, 18:19:45
      - That’s exactly what I thought. - opossum jenkins June 23, 2025, 18:25:23
        
        how are we defining "first attack" - ijustkrushalot June 23, 2025, 18:51:11
        
        Did you let the sink in? - complainant June 23, 2025, 18:57:31
        
        A real attack with real munitions from a real adversary on an active USAF base. - opossum jenkins June 23, 2025, 18:56:46
- I did two brief TDY’s at Al Udeid back in the 2010s - timmer June 23, 2025, 17:47:47
  - Wait, so you volunteered to go there not once but twice? Lol.* - opossum jenkins June 23, 2025, 17:53:04
    - There’s a water park just outside of base - timmer June 23, 2025, 18:10:30
    - I’ve only been in the pax terminal there a couple times. - illiniranger June 23, 2025, 18:02:54
      - I can say without hesitation that it’s my least favorite place on earth. - opossum jenkins June 23, 2025, 18:08:45
        
        The base housing units remind me of a prison - timmer June 23, 2025, 18:13:18
- Those PAT guys are jizzing their pants right now - illiniranger June 23, 2025, 17:40:23
Trump says Iran-Israeli ceasefire beginning in 6 hours* - CanHartlebHireSnider June 23, 2025, 17:18:54
- CNN: Iran says they haven't received a ceasefire proposal* - ECEIllinois June 23, 2025, 18:01:27
  - The ayatollah is literally sitting in a bunker afraid to use electronic communications - CanHartlebHireSnider June 23, 2025, 18:07:30
    - so, there was no ceasefire agreement with Iran* - memyselfandillini June 24, 2025, 7:23:00
  - OFC they haven't* - Sounder June 23, 2025, 18:02:51
- That Truth is something else - Sounder June 23, 2025, 17:29:11
  - lol. Stop trying to make ‘The 12 Day War’ happen* - shua June 23, 2025, 18:07:39
  - Oh he’s gonna be so mad when he doesn’t win the Nobel Peace Prize - timmer June 23, 2025, 17:50:02
    - but he will win the first annual Donald J Trump Award For Outstanding Acheivement - assassin June 23, 2025, 18:07:47
- Sounds like everyone has 6 hours to get off as many rockets as possible.* - Warrin'_Illini June 23, 2025, 17:25:05
  - Pretty much. Israel’s been bombing the shit out of Tehran currently - CanHartlebHireSnider June 23, 2025, 17:26:33
Trump, you idiot - illiniranger June 23, 2025, 15:12:10
- ooo - complainant June 23, 2025, 19:21:37
- Congratulations world, it's time for peace - Sounder June 23, 2025, 15:38:11
- I'm just happy we've spent hundreds of millions of dollars on this kabuki theater conflict - ATL June 23, 2025, 15:30:36
- His truths are reportedly why the pentagon sent the B-2s west as decoys - CanHartlebHireSnider June 23, 2025, 15:19:45
- It is estimated that 80% of Iranians bypass gummint internet censorship* - Stu June 23, 2025, 15:17:10
- The level of absurdity and insanity of his "truths" - Sounder June 23, 2025, 15:14:47
What powers under article II is Trump going to enact first?* - longsnapper June 23, 2025, 12:14:34
- Ending women’s suffrage for sure * - MC June 23, 2025, 12:53:59
  - He is perfectly fine with them suffering* - Stu June 23, 2025, 14:33:23
    - It's an easier sell than some might believe. - complainant June 23, 2025, 14:48:15
- Draft. I firmly believe he'll institute a draft if this goes sideways on him* - DanSaint June 23, 2025, 12:17:31
  - Now that I'm firmly out of age range, I'd love to see a draft. - Warrin'_Illini June 23, 2025, 13:51:03
    - On behalf of those of us with draft-age sons and daughter, no. - Chicago1995 June 23, 2025, 14:25:56
      - I think people know I'm joking, a draft really is crazy. Everytime I am inclined to disparage - Warrin'_Illini June 23, 2025, 14:29:12
        
        My dad lost that lottery - Sounder June 23, 2025, 15:02:01
        
        My dad was NOT drafted and in Vietnam from 1966-1968...which I've never been... - haighter June 23, 2025, 16:39:47
        
        my dad nearly got drafted to the Vietnam war if his shoulders weren't so fucked up - IlliniSax05 June 23, 2025, 14:43:17
        
        brb, gonna go back in time and close all the roads on that route* - Sammich June 23, 2025, 14:46:24
        
        didn't work, I'm still here - IlliniSax05 June 23, 2025, 14:58:01
      - I 100% wish we had mandatory public service for 12-18 months. especially in a social - LeatherneckIllini June 23, 2025, 14:28:33
        
        I 100% agree* - Sounder June 23, 2025, 15:09:22
    - since my nephew is soon to be within draft age I'll go ahead and say fuck that noise - IlliniSax05 June 23, 2025, 13:57:05
      - We shouldn't need a draft to take down Iran. They are weak and nukeless.* - Warrin'_Illini June 23, 2025, 14:05:37
        
        There’s only one maybe two realistic scenarios where a draft would ever be needed… - LeatherneckIllini June 23, 2025, 14:08:18
        
        We should take them on all at once and really show them who is boss. - Warrin'_Illini June 23, 2025, 14:19:47
      - Is mandatory registering still a thing?I never hear teenagers (or parents) mention it anymore.* - Philo June 23, 2025, 14:02:46
        
        Yes* - LeatherneckIllini June 23, 2025, 14:03:43
  - I don’t think we’ll see a draft in our lifetime * - MC June 23, 2025, 12:53:28
    - Let’s hope not because that would mean things are extraordinarily bad… - LeatherneckIllini June 23, 2025, 13:44:09
  - LOL. What? Firmly believe? * - Dilbert June 23, 2025, 12:52:02
  - Stay off the drugs, son* - Ron McDon June 23, 2025, 12:26:23
    - But...I like drugs! You'd hate to see me off them!* - DanSaint June 23, 2025, 12:28:42
  - no* - VIV June 23, 2025, 12:25:30
  - There's virtually no chance that happens.* - longsnapper June 23, 2025, 12:22:30
Seems like 10 ballistic missiles launched at US Base in Qatar. Per Barack Ravid* - CanHartlebHireSnider June 23, 2025, 11:59:49
- Qatar claims no fatalities or injuries. Seems like a weak response* - CanHartlebHireSnider June 23, 2025, 12:16:03
  - there's footage of Patriot intercepts all over my Twitter feed right now - illiniranger June 23, 2025, 12:18:01
    - Wasn't Iran's missile arsenal diminished by 1/3 after the launches against Isreal? - ibdoc June 23, 2025, 13:20:48
      - the estimates of ballistic missiles pre conflict with Israel are in the low thousands - illiniranger June 23, 2025, 14:12:23
        
        the Iranians fired about 200 at Israel on 1 October, 2024 - illiniranger June 23, 2025, 14:30:10
    - the whole save face thing is so bizarre to me - John Coctostan June 23, 2025, 12:29:18
      - haha and then they announce they destroyed the base* - assassin June 23, 2025, 13:46:01
      - I think it’s 100% for their domestic audience * - illiniranger June 23, 2025, 12:35:15
        
        oh for sure. i guess i'm saying i'm surprised that works when it's so blatantly window dressing* - John Coctostan June 23, 2025, 13:14:45
        
        Have you perchance heard of Fox News* - reggiedunlop June 23, 2025, 13:54:37
    - great news* - VIV June 23, 2025, 12:25:11
    - Yeah CNN military men called it a symbolic attack and perhaps an offramp - CanHartlebHireSnider June 23, 2025, 12:20:19
      - It’s possible they attacked Qatar because the longer range stuff to hit a base in Iraq or Syria are - illiniranger June 23, 2025, 12:23:15
        
        Also apparently they telegraphed it to Qatar beforehand. We know they are close with the Qataris* - CanHartlebHireSnider June 23, 2025, 12:31:41
- Also 1 fired at US bases in Iraq* - CanHartlebHireSnider June 23, 2025, 12:01:09
  - This is not going to go well with Trump's ego, Iran blowing off meeting and ignoring threats.* - gullit June 23, 2025, 12:13:56
    - if the ballistic missiles don't hit anything, i think he can live with it, like in 2020 - illiniranger June 23, 2025, 12:15:23
      - not a prediction, just riffing on what's possible * - illiniranger June 23, 2025, 12:15:50
"high risk of retaliation" - John Coctostan June 23, 2025, 8:19:16
- And then come the escalations and reprisals and counter-reprisals - Stu June 23, 2025, 9:17:58
  - But Trump promised us the US wasn't going to get in a drawn-out war that could cost American lives* - ibdoc June 23, 2025, 9:21:44
    - how we collectively define these terms is interesting to me - illiniranger June 23, 2025, 11:17:31
      - I'd mostly agree with you. - CanHartlebHireSnider June 23, 2025, 11:25:38
      - How about the one in Qatar? - John Coctostan June 23, 2025, 11:24:06
        
        I would consider that a major escalation by Iran. * - illiniranger June 23, 2025, 11:26:22
        
        *bump** - VIV June 23, 2025, 12:10:29
        
        Welp - John Coctostan June 23, 2025, 11:45:12
  - Maybe I'm naive but I think this is going to be a one-off. Probably a lot more sabre-rattling but - Warrin'_Illini June 23, 2025, 9:21:20
    - here’s what I think they can do - illiniranger June 23, 2025, 10:59:54
      - And what threat did we eliminate/advantage did we gain from our bombing?* - longsnapper June 23, 2025, 11:19:00
        
        To those things, none. Israeli Air Force and Iran firing ballistics have consumed a lot their - illiniranger June 23, 2025, 11:22:24
      - they don't need to "close" the strait, just threaten it enough that companies don't want to use it - VIV June 23, 2025, 11:15:48
        
        Couple hundred ships hit during the tanker war and the Strait stayed open - illiniranger June 23, 2025, 11:33:37
    - Agreed, but we'll see. Retaliation was built in - CanHartlebHireSnider June 23, 2025, 9:39:04
      - I, too, would not like to die in a nuclear apocalypse, internet points be damned* - RVA June 23, 2025, 11:25:45
    - We have troops at bases all over the Middle East, and very close to Iran - Stu June 23, 2025, 9:26:08
      - Again, maybe I'm being naive but one of MAGA's big talking points was Trump wouldn't start any new - Warrin'_Illini June 23, 2025, 9:36:17
        
        He is also a huge revenge guy. It's his number one motivating factor. - Stu June 23, 2025, 9:43:34
        
        I don't think he really values the lives of people serving. If things get out of hand I could - Warrin'_Illini June 23, 2025, 9:49:40
- And here comes the explicit regime change talk - John Coctostan June 23, 2025, 8:50:12
- LOL at "U.S. still pursuing diplomatic resolution"* - ATL June 23, 2025, 8:20:35
  - The Art of the Deal!!!* - shua June 23, 2025, 8:33:46
Glad to be the Indiana Pacers of countries. - Toonces June 22, 2025, 22:37:54
A very important message demands your attention - ATL June 22, 2025, 21:16:20
- Germans? - timmer June 22, 2025, 21:19:41
Yeah this is pretty grim - Stu June 22, 2025, 20:29:10
- I guess we better send in some ground troops.* - Chuck Woodaby June 22, 2025, 20:58:36
  - Building that case? - ATL June 22, 2025, 22:13:32
    - Trump learned from Bibi & Zelenskyy that you can't be voted out during a war.* - complainant June 23, 2025, 0:08:39
  - Eliminating the threat will probably require us to occupy the country* - Stu June 22, 2025, 21:06:23
    - That’s a tall ask. Iran has like 15, 20Million people? - timmer June 22, 2025, 21:18:46
      - It's like going to Wisconsin* - bucktownillini June 23, 2025, 11:27:07
      - Ask Ted Cruz.* - cpsteine June 23, 2025, 8:10:44
    - For at least 20 years to be safe. - Chuck Woodaby June 22, 2025, 21:10:25
      - Eh, 11 should do it. Just long enough to get another R admin in place to attach a ME country again* - John Coctostan June 22, 2025, 21:13:59
        
        Obama bombed 7 countries in 2016. - Chuck Woodaby June 22, 2025, 21:23:48
        
        Yeah fair* - John Coctostan June 22, 2025, 21:45:13
      - Simple. Just give them a copy of our Constitution to Xerox - Stu June 22, 2025, 21:12:25
Vance cucked again, regime change is back on the menu boys. - assassin June 22, 2025, 16:46:06
- I thought he was AMERICA FIRST. Why is he now MIGA? - timmer June 22, 2025, 17:28:08
  - Do we think Hegseth was angry that Rubio bogarted the spot behind Trump? - complainant June 22, 2025, 17:31:20
    - That was hilarious they were 2 inches from each other.* - gullit June 22, 2025, 17:35:10
- The difference is that those presidents were dumb - ATL June 22, 2025, 17:10:45
Fresh scrutiny for the grocery clerk who recently took charge of cyber terrorism office. - complainant June 22, 2025, 14:21:51
- The John Belushi raised eyebrow trick certainly inspires confidence. - illinijohn June 22, 2025, 21:28:54
AI thinks Frodo is fine; just a little dusty* - Stu June 22, 2025, 13:23:01
Get a brain! Morans - bbonb June 22, 2025, 13:20:53
I didn’t like a lot of Biden/harris’ foreign policy but he never got enough credit for ending - Toonces June 22, 2025, 13:17:27
RS now reporting that the intelligence community doesn’t think Iran was close to a Nuke - ATL June 22, 2025, 13:00:44
- Rolling Stone predictably has the best intelligence sources* - CWR10 June 22, 2025, 13:50:39
  - They have a pretty strong politics beat. I guess you haven’t been paying attention.* - ATL June 22, 2025, 13:55:00
So what could Iran do in response? - DT June 22, 2025, 11:29:47
- They will continue building a nuclear weapon - Stu June 22, 2025, 13:34:29
  - Rubio on FtN today wouldn’t say they are building a nuclear weapon. Just that they are bad dudes and - ATL June 22, 2025, 13:58:51
    - Rubio doesn’t know shit* - Stu June 22, 2025, 14:18:21
      - I think I can get behind that * - ATL June 22, 2025, 14:34:15
  - And this only intensifies the imperative of owning nuclear weapons… for any country* - cpsteine June 22, 2025, 13:36:57
    - Do you want to be Kim Jong Un or Muammar Gaddafi?* - Chuck Woodaby June 22, 2025, 17:05:02
- Here's what The Economic Times says - complainant June 22, 2025, 12:32:47
- So apparently we are asking China to tell Iran to not shut down the Strait. - SurfTheBoneyard June 22, 2025, 11:44:38
  - And if they do well let them enact some new tariffs against us* - memyselfandillini June 22, 2025, 11:47:35
- IMO from most to least likely - illiniranger June 22, 2025, 11:39:01
  - I had seen something that Iran had already plotted to assassinate Trump. Did I forget that happened? - Carl Spackler June 22, 2025, 12:02:21
    - A guy got charged with it - illiniranger June 22, 2025, 12:56:02
      - There was another one too. Along with threats against Pompeo/Bolton etc. - CanHartlebHireSnider June 22, 2025, 13:28:42
        
        Because only a fucking moron would take it seriously. - Chuck Woodaby June 22, 2025, 16:53:00
    - in your defense it's easy to forget things that never actually happened.* - Chuck Woodaby June 22, 2025, 12:33:56
      - Yeah I’ve seen mention of this attempt with no details. I’ll ask grok, they probably know * - MC June 22, 2025, 12:51:08
- They have lots of destructive options in front of them - timmer June 22, 2025, 11:34:37
- Lol “derp cover”.* - Toonces June 22, 2025, 11:31:39
  - Heh.* - DT June 22, 2025, 11:33:29
Q: Who if anyone can be expected to provide marginally true info on what happened? - memyselfandillini June 22, 2025, 11:23:28
JD: “past presidents dumb. Donald smart.” No really, that’s what he just said. - ATL June 22, 2025, 10:34:05
- Except that’s not what he said within those quotes. - timmer June 22, 2025, 11:28:46
  - This is what happens when sloppy lawyers let AI write their message board posts for them* - DocWalk20 June 22, 2025, 14:02:26
  - “…and now we have a president who actually knows….” Sorry, I’ll stick with my interpretation.* - ATL June 22, 2025, 12:08:22
Went to Costco and filled up my gas car - jfinsocal June 22, 2025, 10:27:49
OOO - KingTalkyTiki June 22, 2025, 10:24:39
- That’s just dumb. Sorry* - TarheelIllini June 22, 2025, 12:55:45
  - Considering your posting history, I respect your expertise on dumb posts. - KingTalkyTiki June 22, 2025, 15:36:46
We don’t miss. Regardless of your thoughts on if we should have done this…. - LeatherneckIllini June 22, 2025, 8:12:41
- And to think, that only costs us $1 trillion dollars.* - longsnapper June 22, 2025, 11:42:00
  - ooo - Dilbert June 22, 2025, 12:33:08
  - Yup, I fail to see the cool part. It's just a lot of money that could've been spent elsewhere - OrangeSox June 22, 2025, 12:05:43
    - People were going to die eventually anyway* - Stu June 22, 2025, 13:26:31
      - Thank you senator ernst* - ATL June 22, 2025, 14:00:02
      - Thank you senator ernst* - ATL June 22, 2025, 13:59:58
    - And it's way too early to tell if they were successful, tactically or strategically - RVA June 22, 2025, 12:10:09
- I mean, many wedding guests would say we do indeed miss* - ATL June 22, 2025, 10:03:42
  - Infant formula manufacturers might add that our targets are sometimes of debatable military utility. - complainant June 22, 2025, 10:49:19
    - And Chinese diplomats.* - DT June 22, 2025, 11:07:26
- Isn’t Fordow deeper than our bombs can reach?* - VIV June 22, 2025, 8:48:41
  - One bomb can penetrate about 60 m. Fordow is estimated at 60m below ground for most of the site - illiniranger June 22, 2025, 8:56:13
    - Seems to me the shock wave would penetrate to the chambers anyway - Stu June 22, 2025, 9:06:17
      - Thermobaric effects are good for killing people but not great for breaking things* - opossum jenkins June 22, 2025, 10:45:21
Watching DoD press conference - illiniranger June 22, 2025, 7:30:49
- What did we really accomplish? I'm assuming everything was evacuated inside. - gullit June 22, 2025, 8:13:42
  - If it didn't work then they'll lie and say it did - jfinsocal June 22, 2025, 10:28:46
  - We'll find out more later as to how successful it was - CanHartlebHireSnider June 22, 2025, 8:40:59
  - I don’t know. TBD. * - illiniranger June 22, 2025, 8:16:02
    - Did they want to punch 6 holes in the desert, or were they hoping to drop 6 MOPs in - complainant June 22, 2025, 8:45:58
      - I don’t know. DoD said 14 bombs were dropped on the site * - illiniranger June 22, 2025, 8:52:13
        
        Google AI says a B2B can hold up to 40,000 lbs but also says it can carry 2 x 30,000lb… - timmer June 22, 2025, 11:32:37
        
        I think the estimates are we had 20-25 of these bombs. So a high expenditure rate at 14. * - illiniranger June 22, 2025, 8:59:51
Pretty solid deterrence going on right now. - Chuck Woodaby June 21, 2025, 23:05:19
DNI had some thoughts - ATL June 21, 2025, 22:09:01

And guess who wasn’t included in the situation room tonight - CanHartlebHireSnider June 21, 2025, 22:22:16

Apparently we are just briefing Republicans in the gang of eight now.* - SurfTheBoneyard June 21, 2025, 20:48:20
- Just read that. Well, they get to own it one way or the other* - MtHoodIllini June 21, 2025, 20:54:53
So this is what we dropped… - LeatherneckIllini June 21, 2025, 20:29:47
Interesting… - LeatherneckIllini June 21, 2025, 20:26:44
- Yeah those were apparently decoys. Not used in the bombing* - CanHartlebHireSnider June 21, 2025, 20:28:59
Did Castellanos knock a dinger yet?* - ATL June 21, 2025, 20:08:27
I won’t pretend to know whether this was the right strategic move or not. - OB25 June 21, 2025, 19:51:01
- Who benefits, and how is Trump related to them? Israel? Saudi Arabia?* - memyselfandillini June 22, 2025, 11:27:44
- It does seem that significant players in the administration were very against this. - nash June 21, 2025, 20:18:45
  - I think there’s serious questions how much of that was real - CanHartlebHireSnider June 21, 2025, 20:39:59
  - If you’re talking about people like Tulsi, they were significant in title only. - OB25 June 21, 2025, 20:21:01
- OOO - Stu June 21, 2025, 19:57:04
there's always a tweet - ECEIllinois June 21, 2025, 19:37:22
- If he was Prez, this Israel/Iran/US war would never have happened * - MC June 21, 2025, 19:38:29
I’m sure Iran will respond and then we will “shock and awe” and then WW3? * - MC June 21, 2025, 19:36:06
- I still think this is a one off. I think the fighter movements there were to increase defensive - illiniranger June 21, 2025, 19:48:49
  - Same.* - Toonces June 21, 2025, 22:02:00
I was assured we’d provide no offensive capabilities - John Coctostan June 21, 2025, 19:07:39
- Holden Bloodfeast can now finally die in peace.* - Toonces June 21, 2025, 19:50:03
- TBF we have a literal old man with cognitive decline as Pres whose main advisor may be - MC June 21, 2025, 19:20:24
  - I almost posted yesterday that if GEN Kurilla is driving he probably wants to go more maximalist - illiniranger June 21, 2025, 19:27:14
    - I would definitely think that Israel did this now because Kurilla is leaving - CanHartlebHireSnider June 21, 2025, 19:29:34
  - I’d love to know the imminent threat that this incredibly weakened version of iran - John Coctostan June 21, 2025, 19:25:29
    - Like you just said they were weakened along with Russia. Nothing to do with being a threat.* - gullit June 21, 2025, 19:56:07
    - They can shoot ballistic missiles at a place like Camp Arifjan Kuwait and we’d have a hard time - illiniranger June 21, 2025, 19:30:32
      - Which I assume they could have done at any time the last like 20 years?* - John Coctostan June 21, 2025, 19:37:08
        
        The truth is that Israel basically forced his hand - CanHartlebHireSnider June 21, 2025, 19:43:15
        
        wonder if the master negotiator at least got something in return from Israel* - memyselfandillini June 22, 2025, 11:31:49
        
        They did it once in 2020 at Al-Assad airbase. - illiniranger June 21, 2025, 19:41:12
        
        Right. So again what’s the pressing reason to do this. - John Coctostan June 21, 2025, 19:43:53
        
        Where did I say “never going to happen” or “there’s a good reason.”? - illiniranger June 21, 2025, 19:45:27
        
        You asked “what’s the imminent threat” and I responded with an example of a US target in range * - illiniranger June 21, 2025, 19:46:17
So we just bombed Iran?* - CanHartlebHireSnider June 21, 2025, 18:51:31
- "NOW IS THE TIME FOR PEACE" after bombing Iran* - ECEIllinois June 21, 2025, 19:10:21
  - Thank you for your attention to this matter!* - Stu June 21, 2025, 19:12:23
- Very cool* - Stu June 21, 2025, 19:09:20
- point, counterpoint - ATL June 21, 2025, 19:02:31
- The 'no wars' President only took 6 months to start a war* - UofIL6 June 21, 2025, 18:58:28
  - Well we didn’t start it. - SurfTheBoneyard June 21, 2025, 19:13:10
- ooo - CanHartlebHireSnider June 21, 2025, 18:52:48
  - BOMBS* - assassin June 21, 2025, 18:55:56
B2s flying to Diego Garcia has my attention. - illiniranger June 21, 2025, 11:55:43
Nice post, BTW. Missed you* - Tooldresser June 19, 2025, 15:45:22
- ooo - JeffFrank June 19, 2025, 18:43:14
- Thanks buddy * - illiniranger June 19, 2025, 18:04:12
bombing Iran is now also on the patened wait two weeks plan - assassin June 19, 2025, 12:50:19
- Hey Bibi, can you hold? Vladdy’s on the other line. Thanks!* - ATL June 19, 2025, 17:33:19
- 2 weeks > TACO* - JeffFrank June 19, 2025, 14:32:30
  - Nope. - SurfTheBoneyard June 19, 2025, 17:19:15
- i think Trump's planning horizon is about 2 days, but it is highly volatile * - illiniranger June 19, 2025, 13:57:46
  - I saw some political commentator say he needs to get the people managing the grifting over to govern - DT June 19, 2025, 14:23:39
- Ole Donnie 2 weeks. Coward* - Mrap24 June 19, 2025, 13:39:46
- Looks like Israel will have to resort to the commando option* - Stu June 19, 2025, 13:32:44
  - They need more checks to clear to get congressional support. Give it time* - OrangeSox June 19, 2025, 13:42:45
  - Maybe but feels like the opposite to me - CanHartlebHireSnider June 19, 2025, 13:33:54
    - Israel can't just keep this up forever.At some point they are going to have to take decisive action* - Stu June 19, 2025, 13:44:24
      - Sure but they’re also going to give Trump as much as time as possible - CanHartlebHireSnider June 19, 2025, 13:48:03
        
        At this point, I think he's more likely to chicken out after having moved all the pieces.* - Stu June 19, 2025, 13:51:31
        
        hopefully TACO remains true* - ECEIllinois June 19, 2025, 13:57:22
- Well you don’t want it to conflict with Infrastructure Week* - Herman Blume June 19, 2025, 13:32:01
- ooo - Sammich June 19, 2025, 13:29:43
- We've gone past parody and circled around again so many times. Reality is dissolving - IlliniRunner June 19, 2025, 13:17:52
- everything is two weeks with Trump* - ECEIllinois June 19, 2025, 13:12:24
  - He stole it from construction project managers. You tell someone something is delayed a month - doubledown June 19, 2025, 13:25:31
  - OoooOoooO - IlliniRunner June 19, 2025, 13:19:12
- To go or not to go what?* - timmer June 19, 2025, 13:09:15
Seems appropriate for today - KingTalkyTiki June 18, 2025, 16:56:28
Article about Iran missile strategy - illiniranger June 18, 2025, 16:08:45
one of thoughts on the Israeli use of drones echoes some comments made by Leather - Tooldresser June 18, 2025, 15:03:40
- China probably has them all around our country as we speak - timmer June 18, 2025, 15:49:13
  - Those are “weather balloons”* - DocWalk20 June 18, 2025, 19:17:21
seems the admin is clearly soft peddling the bunker bomb. i'd guess they are gung ho on doing it and - John Coctostan June 18, 2025, 9:05:48
- Does Fox News have any preference?* - timmer June 18, 2025, 12:18:50
  - Jesse Watters is definitely a power bottom* - VIV June 18, 2025, 19:30:36
- Laura Loomer told him to do it, so he's going to do it.* - Stu June 18, 2025, 9:07:59
  - Bunker Bomb is what Trump calls her ass* - Sounder June 18, 2025, 10:36:53
i hate to link this, but...Tucker repeatedly dunking on ol Ted Cruz here is very funny - assassin June 17, 2025, 20:11:41
- I think this pretty simple. Tucker is a Russian asset. Iran is a Russian Proxy state. Tucker is just - JacobRDaugherty June 19, 2025, 13:21:22
- You know, there are maybe some good people there, like roofers and plumbers…. - timmer June 18, 2025, 15:48:13
- It's so obviously a stupid gotcha moment - Sounder June 18, 2025, 10:37:30
  - Yes. - Chuck Woodaby June 18, 2025, 10:50:53
- Worst “Between Two Ferns” episode ever * - biclops June 18, 2025, 8:52:59
  - More Fernwood2Night, but ferns in any case.* - complainant June 18, 2025, 9:26:22
- I don't understand how anyone construes this as "dunking" - GMAW June 18, 2025, 8:37:48
  - Sorry, I should have put it in parentheses. - assassin June 18, 2025, 10:22:41
  - 100% agreed. Both Tucker’s clips he posted I thought Tucker looked dumb - CanHartlebHireSnider June 18, 2025, 10:18:05
    - Never take sides against the family. Ever. * - haighter June 18, 2025, 10:51:58
  - Tucker’s Russia line towing aside, there is a legitimate point to be made here - ATL June 18, 2025, 8:42:11
    - There's a substantial contingent of US military-adjacent white nationalist zealots who don't - complainant June 18, 2025, 8:55:35
      - don't forget trump abandoning the kurds to die after they did a ton of the work to kill ISIS. - VIV June 18, 2025, 9:33:41
    - There is a point to be made here. Tucker didn't make it* - GMAW June 18, 2025, 8:48:07
      - It's weird that you credit Cruz with having a ballpark idea when he made it clear that he had - complainant June 18, 2025, 18:26:07
        
        How exactly was that "clear"?* - GMAW June 19, 2025, 13:31:53
        
        I watched the full interview today. - Chuck Woodaby June 19, 2025, 17:15:41
      - If Tucker's interview was a poster it'd be jumpingdan desperately looking for a SEE SEE* - ISeeDeadHawkeyes June 18, 2025, 9:31:17
        
        I still don’t have any idea what see see was supposed to mean by the way * - ATL June 18, 2025, 9:51:06
        
        I think roughy originally meant it as the act of seizing on evidence in support of one's worldview - Sammich June 18, 2025, 10:10:20
        
        It's basically the celebration of a red herring* - GMAW June 18, 2025, 9:52:46
        
        You could just ask dan. He PM'd me within 15 minutes of making this post.* - ISeeDeadHawkeyes June 18, 2025, 9:52:41
        
        LOL - he went Candy Man on me too after posting this - Jersey June 18, 2025, 10:55:02
        
        weird* - VIV June 18, 2025, 10:08:33
        
        He REALLY needs to start posting again but hides behind some self banishment from GMAW? * - haighter June 18, 2025, 10:04:38
        
        I was just thinking how much we could use another annoying troll poster* - Sounder June 18, 2025, 11:10:08
        
        I just think it's absolutely ridiculous someone has a log in, a password... - haighter June 18, 2025, 11:16:24
        
        Oh, for sure, that's fucking pathological* - Sounder June 18, 2025, 11:31:54
        
        I don't even remember the details (but did get a PM about them from jjlocke a few months ago) - GMAW June 18, 2025, 10:08:13
        
        You might be thinking of someone else. That wasn’t me* - jjlocke923 June 18, 2025, 10:25:23
        
        Actually, you are right! I retract. - GMAW June 18, 2025, 10:35:17
        
        At the risk of sounding obsequious, I appreciate your retraction. I am a bit bothered, though, - jjlocke923 June 18, 2025, 10:40:11
        
        When I told "jumpingdan" that I "didn't mind" jjlocke, "jumpingdan" responded "telling" - GMAW June 18, 2025, 10:43:48
        
        I swear it was Chuck not you* - CanHartlebHireSnider June 18, 2025, 10:36:42
        
        Correct. Dan thought more people prefered him posting here than me. - Chuck Woodaby June 18, 2025, 10:49:43
        
        No idea* - GMAW June 18, 2025, 10:39:53
        
        Agreed. I'm not sure why anyone thinks he's bigbop.* - complainant June 18, 2025, 10:14:42
        
        I thought it was initially because of this post - Blazer June 18, 2025, 17:00:39
        
        Way too faux-obsequious. Bigbop could never, not even as a bit.* - Sammich June 18, 2025, 10:15:57
        
        I had to google obsequious. I can’t tell if it is complimentary or not. If so, thanks* - jjlocke923 June 18, 2025, 10:31:08
        
        you could change your name to Uriah massiveHeepofshit* - VIV June 18, 2025, 10:41:15
        
        Yep.* - complainant June 18, 2025, 10:21:51
        
        did it involve michael brown? dan loved to bring that up randomly* - VIV June 18, 2025, 10:11:57
        
        You guys remember a lot more about jumpingdan than I do - GMAW June 18, 2025, 10:15:48
        
        he occasionally would DM me about it.* - VIV June 18, 2025, 10:19:47
        
        That is a perfect comparison* - GMAW June 18, 2025, 9:42:38
- If one were to make a list of 10 most punchable, I think they both make it - opey8 June 17, 2025, 20:29:34
  - Newest member of the list: Kevin Hassett* - Tortillini June 18, 2025, 7:14:06
    - Scott Bessent - Sounder June 18, 2025, 11:08:43
  - They are both incredibly grating - CanHartlebHireSnider June 17, 2025, 20:34:29
Ranger sidejack: That your CSM at the Cubs game tonight?* - KingTalkyTiki June 17, 2025, 19:23:45
- Not my BN CSM. Maybe brigade or State - illiniranger June 17, 2025, 19:57:01
  - Ah, just heard infantry unit and saw the 33rd patch. Figured I'd ask.* - KingTalkyTiki June 18, 2025, 10:09:24
So now Trump loves the idea of a strike on Iran* - Stu June 17, 2025, 15:42:50
- He's not one for thinking (about consequences specifically). - SurfTheBoneyard June 17, 2025, 19:58:33
- Just dancing around a clear plan - RVA June 17, 2025, 15:59:31
Here’s what bothers me re: Trump’s counsel. - opossum jenkins June 17, 2025, 15:38:46
- And Hegseth is in his doghouse because the parade flopped* - JeffFrank June 17, 2025, 15:56:13
  - ooo - complainant June 17, 2025, 16:30:50
    - He probably wonders why they named it after that Jersey Shore guy.* - SurfTheBoneyard June 17, 2025, 17:57:08
Speaking of assassinations - TarheelIllini June 17, 2025, 13:34:40
- I was going to ask a related question that is purely out of ignorance… - OB25 June 17, 2025, 13:53:14
  - At this point, with Netanyahu in charge and what's going on in Gaza... - KingTalkyTiki June 17, 2025, 17:01:27
    - of the two, i definitely hope iran loses. - VIV June 17, 2025, 22:52:16
  - They came to power taking over American embassy and holding hostages - CanHartlebHireSnider June 17, 2025, 14:12:58
    - Well, we did overthrow their prior government* - gvibes June 17, 2025, 15:11:11
      - And the one before that. - Chuck Woodaby June 17, 2025, 15:23:34
      - Yes and the Shah was not great to the Iranian people either - CanHartlebHireSnider June 17, 2025, 15:19:39
    - I think this answer is just about as xenophobic and tribalist as it could possibly be. - complainant June 17, 2025, 14:17:01
      - I'll admit to being xenophobic about the mullahs in Iran* - CanHartlebHireSnider June 17, 2025, 14:18:04
        
        So we should bomb the people who've suffered most under their reign? - complainant June 17, 2025, 14:20:39
        
        Part of the question, but after days of controlling the Iranian skies, I think it’s clear - OWWDig June 17, 2025, 14:27:34
        
        ...Unless they work at TV stations.* - Chuck Woodaby June 17, 2025, 15:02:45
        
        I think you misspelled state run propaganda network... - OWWDig June 17, 2025, 15:12:18
        
        There is literally nothing that could happen involving Israel in which you won't stick your head - GMAW June 18, 2025, 8:45:12
        
        Oh, in that case kill them all. - Chuck Woodaby June 17, 2025, 15:32:34
        
        Hahah. Okay dude. Israel does everything to avoid killing innocent people. - OWWDig June 17, 2025, 15:37:26
        
        I don't think you know what the word "everything" means* - GMAW June 18, 2025, 8:45:50
        
        They are remarkably unsuccessful at that avoidance. * - larue33 June 17, 2025, 16:12:30
        
        Stats say otherwise, but carry on * - OWWDig June 17, 2025, 16:40:44
        
        Nearly 70% of Gaza war dead verified by UN are women and children. - Chuck Woodaby June 17, 2025, 16:43:46
        
        ooo - assassin June 17, 2025, 17:26:18
        
        My lord. The both of you need to stop relying on Hamas for your figures* - OWWDig June 17, 2025, 17:27:30
        
        if only independent journalists were let in. - assassin June 17, 2025, 18:22:56
        
        exactly, like the video of Hamas mowing down Palestinians and the BBC et al blaming - OWWDig June 17, 2025, 18:25:23
        
        the UN is Hamas now, I know. - Chuck Woodaby June 17, 2025, 17:39:37
        
        The UN uses, "Hamas said so" - so hey, believe all of the terrorist. misinfo you'd like* - OWWDig June 17, 2025, 18:07:52
        
        Keep ignoring this: - Chuck Woodaby June 17, 2025, 18:27:51
        
        I don’t subscribe to Hamas Ministry stats* - OWWDig June 17, 2025, 18:36:22
        
        Here is a long analysis of death count - OWWDig June 17, 2025, 18:55:52
        
        So only half the people killed are innocent women and children? - Chuck Woodaby June 17, 2025, 19:01:23
        
        That’s not exactly what it says. And Hamas uses kids younger than the male range so some - OWWDig June 17, 2025, 19:09:09
        
        Back this up: the 1:1 combatant to civilian rate is unprecedented and lauded by military analysts. - longsnapper June 18, 2025, 6:56:47
        
        ooo - OWWDig June 18, 2025, 10:35:07
        
        Come on. The Middle East Forum? The fucking middle East forum... - longsnapper June 18, 2025, 12:13:32
        
        lol. Okay. * - OWWDig June 18, 2025, 13:12:50
        
        Is it not a far-right, neoconservative, anti-islamic outlet? Would you consider Al-Jazerra or - longsnapper June 18, 2025, 13:24:56
        
        Israel is doing "everything" to avoid killing innocent people. That's the claim here* - GMAW June 18, 2025, 8:49:11
        
        Well I guess if even the children aren't innocent, that's reasonable* - longsnapper June 18, 2025, 9:03:43
        
        when as policy you consider anyone that resides in an area controlled by hamas as - John Coctostan June 18, 2025, 9:08:06
        
        That's not from the Hamas ministry. - Chuck Woodaby June 17, 2025, 18:52:17
        
        Yes, UN uses Hamas ministry. So does BBC and other media. - OWWDig June 17, 2025, 18:57:22
        
        the IDF said so isn't any better* - assassin June 17, 2025, 18:24:51
        
        I’d believe the IDF a million times before believing terrorists. * - OWWDig June 17, 2025, 18:26:44
        
        sure, they definitely don't have ANY reason to lie. * - assassin June 17, 2025, 18:28:49
        
        Nm - DT June 17, 2025, 18:27:40
        
        See Gaza. Human shields? Fire away* - JeffFrank June 17, 2025, 15:54:24
        
        There is no way you can say that after the last year* - snipes824 June 17, 2025, 15:46:29
        
        Absolutely can. Did you read the link? - OWWDig June 17, 2025, 15:51:04
        
        Gaza is gone. That was a choice* - snipes824 June 17, 2025, 16:12:22
        
        Anyone who stands still, is a well disciplined VC.* - Chuck Woodaby June 17, 2025, 15:54:04
        
        There were no warnings on the big initial set of strikes, was there?* - OB25 June 17, 2025, 15:46:05
        
        On Iran? That targeted military and nuclear infrastrure? No.* - OWWDig June 17, 2025, 15:49:48
        
        My understanding was that officials were killed in their homes in residential areas. - OB25 June 17, 2025, 16:04:27
        
        this is embarassing* - assassin June 17, 2025, 15:39:25
        
        If you read my post you see which question I answered. - CanHartlebHireSnider June 17, 2025, 14:23:30
  - my gut tells me both are noncombatants and should not be specifically targeted - illiniranger June 17, 2025, 14:10:20
  - Iran is the USA, except that Project 2025 was 1979, and antifa did the heavy lifting - complainant June 17, 2025, 14:09:38
  - Simplistic answer: one side has threatened to wipe the other off the face of the Earth. - OWWDig June 17, 2025, 14:08:21
    - They've been days and weeks away for 40 years. - Chuck Woodaby June 17, 2025, 14:13:12
      - No.* - OWWDig June 17, 2025, 14:16:50
        
        ooo - JeffFrank June 17, 2025, 15:23:00
        
        Yeah, I don't think we'll find them there either. - Chuck Woodaby June 17, 2025, 14:19:40
        
        Uh huh. Even the IAEA has been concerned. Pretty well documented that they’ve enriched to 60%* - OWWDig June 17, 2025, 14:21:09
        
        Correct. And if it weren't for stuxnet, and the Obama deal, who knows? - complainant June 17, 2025, 14:24:02
    - does that just apply in terms of Iran-Israel or is it universal?* - RVA June 17, 2025, 14:10:35
      - My gut says yes, but I think each situation needs to be evaluated independently. - OWWDig June 17, 2025, 14:16:25
        
        Are you mad at Trump for pulling out of Obama’s deal?* - JeffFrank June 17, 2025, 15:55:27
Speaking of Iran - Tortillini June 17, 2025, 12:58:05
- Looks like he is alive, btw* - OWWDig June 17, 2025, 15:52:53
- Not President Casual Friday?* - timmer June 17, 2025, 13:05:57
- There were rumors the other day of Mossad agents running around assassinating individuals - CanHartlebHireSnider June 17, 2025, 12:59:39
Illinois Street Residence Halls vs. Iran?* - IlliniOllie June 17, 2025, 12:17:11
Sidejack - Russia allegedly meeting with PRK for missiles and bodies. They’re also bombing Kyiv - MC June 17, 2025, 11:35:11
- from what i understand the North Koreans have only been used in the Kursk region of Russia - illiniranger June 17, 2025, 11:40:08
Trump now taking credit - CanHartlebHireSnider June 17, 2025, 11:04:28
- so..... we're not just deterrence? * - VIV June 17, 2025, 11:47:44
  - Of course not. - Chuck Woodaby June 17, 2025, 11:58:29
    - "i'm only going to start a few wars" just doesn't have the same pizzazz. * - VIV June 17, 2025, 12:01:18
    - you're a smart guy, what do you think we are doing? - illiniranger June 17, 2025, 12:01:00
      - For starters? - Chuck Woodaby June 17, 2025, 12:04:36
        
        what intel help? * - illiniranger June 17, 2025, 12:05:08
        
        For starters? - Chuck Woodaby June 17, 2025, 12:17:44
        
        i don't think we have to give them that considering they are flying slow flying UAS over Iran - illiniranger June 17, 2025, 12:25:17
        
        Yeah... "right now". - Chuck Woodaby June 17, 2025, 12:42:37
        
        i don't think there will be any significant blowback - illiniranger June 17, 2025, 13:34:33
        
        We'll see.* - Chuck Woodaby June 17, 2025, 13:45:40
  - sometimes he just says stuff. - illiniranger June 17, 2025, 11:57:40
    - I think he just wants to take credit - CanHartlebHireSnider June 17, 2025, 12:07:32
      - i agree - illiniranger June 17, 2025, 12:10:36
- not enough gets made of the way he communicates through Truth Social - Sounder June 17, 2025, 11:34:20
- Nobody hates plausible deniability more than Donald Trump.* - Chuck Woodaby June 17, 2025, 11:29:28
this post makes me want to dig out my copies Jane's F-15 and Falcon 4.0* - Sammich June 17, 2025, 10:30:53
- the F15 was designed in the 60s i think? still doing stuff * - illiniranger June 17, 2025, 10:44:28
  - Didn't they just introduce a new variant like last year? - KingTalkyTiki June 17, 2025, 11:01:53
    - pilot training is a big gap, but IMO even bigger is staff work - illiniranger June 17, 2025, 11:29:54
    - yea, the F-15EX I think has been responsible for some sonic booms over southern Illinois - ijustkrushalot June 17, 2025, 11:21:28
      - We call it SEX EAGLE* - opossum jenkins June 17, 2025, 15:29:16
      - I know none of you get F-15EX* - DT June 17, 2025, 11:44:45
  - My brother was a crew-chief on the F-15 and the A-10. A-10 during the first gulf war... - haighter June 17, 2025, 10:55:48
what are we adding? what's our involvement going to be?* - VIV June 17, 2025, 10:29:41
- to answer - illiniranger June 17, 2025, 10:40:00
  - The Kinetic Striking Involvement would be a hell of a band name* - LWillhite June 17, 2025, 12:04:15
  - re: 2- - VIV June 17, 2025, 10:51:24
    - deterrence, reassuring partners, and being forward deployed * - illiniranger June 17, 2025, 10:53:50
It would seem Iran’s ability to launch ballistic missiles is dwindling - CanHartlebHireSnider June 17, 2025, 10:26:58
- i assume command and control and logistics are all getting struck pretty hard - illiniranger June 17, 2025, 10:31:29
  - I'm not sure that Iran thought Israel or anyone else would come at them this hard like this. - OWWDig June 17, 2025, 10:53:03
    - So an autocratic regime driven by religious zealotry and inflexible ideology… - DT June 17, 2025, 11:17:44

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