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Posted by complainant
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https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/05/us/politics/biden-trump-2024-poll.h
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NYT/Sienna swing state poll - Trump Leads in Five Critical States
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bigbop85
November 5, 2023, 6:58:40
look past this election, win or lose we shouldn't have tfg or Biden running in 2028
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TarheelIllini
November 6, 2023, 9:45:37
Newsom vs Whitmer with whining about how Kamala can’t be the one*
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JeffFrank
November 6, 2023, 12:20:25
They might both be dead*
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Sounder
November 6, 2023, 10:08:23
just please make it not an octogenarian. we went from 55 year olds as presidents to 80 year olds
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VIV
November 6, 2023, 9:53:00
GenX is at the age to be calling all the shots now
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Jackie
November 6, 2023, 9:55:41
A lot is going to change in a year. *
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VIV
November 6, 2023, 8:15:02
I know people have soured on Biden. For reasons. But it’s insane to me that swing voters
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John Coctostan
November 6, 2023, 9:00:23
Same reasons anyone has ever supported an authoritarian: “it’s not ME he’s going after” *
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meanjeans
November 6, 2023, 9:40:07
If it's Trump and Biden I'll vote for Biden...but JFC...that's the best choice we get?
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haighter
November 6, 2023, 9:17:57
Literally everyone thinks this*
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Sounder
November 6, 2023, 9:20:14
And we still end up with them! Fucking primary voters. *
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haighter
November 6, 2023, 11:58:16
The only reason Biden is running is the existential threat of Trump
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Sounder
November 6, 2023, 12:05:47
I think he's running because he wants to be President for four more years.
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larue33
November 6, 2023, 12:17:38
seriously. how TF are these our choices not once, but twice?*
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VIV
November 6, 2023, 9:19:32
because people over 60 are a larger generation than previous ones, who also turns out better?*
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bigbop85
November 6, 2023, 9:34:07
boomers gonna boomer is another way to say it. *
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VIV
November 6, 2023, 9:43:36
Because you have to be a psychopath to run for president
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snipes824
November 6, 2023, 9:22:05
True, but I think Obama, both Bushes, and Jimmy Carter were all good human beings*
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GMAW
November 6, 2023, 10:32:14
I think for the most part biden is a good human being too
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snipes824
November 6, 2023, 10:54:26
fair *
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VIV
November 6, 2023, 9:32:08
I understand how Trump got elected the first time
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Sounder
November 6, 2023, 9:21:12
Trump's presidency was more embarrassing than it was bad ^
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illini
November 6, 2023, 9:40:06
I think looking back on it now and also seeing what's coming i can safely say
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John Coctostan
November 6, 2023, 9:46:29
While I agree with your premise
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illini
November 6, 2023, 9:51:26
did you read the article i posted above? there are D team guys yes, but also a lot of
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John Coctostan
November 6, 2023, 9:58:06
I don't get the Post
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illini
November 6, 2023, 10:32:22
hmmm, me either but I was able to open that. but now can't. their paywall is weird. anyway,
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John Coctostan
November 6, 2023, 10:57:19
But at the very least didn’t it become glaringly obvious
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Sounder
November 6, 2023, 9:41:36
11 million more people voted for Trump in 2020 than 2016 *
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meanjeans
November 6, 2023, 9:35:09
because turnout was up from 55% to 62%. 23 million more people voted in 20 than 16*
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VIV
November 6, 2023, 9:45:28
I’m just saying, there were 11 million people who watched 2016-2020 and said “you know what
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meanjeans
November 6, 2023, 9:48:35
that's how proportions work, yes. *
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VIV
November 6, 2023, 9:49:49
Feels like you’re intentionally missing the point *
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meanjeans
November 6, 2023, 9:53:21
Feels like *you’re* intentionally missing the point.
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VIV
November 6, 2023, 9:58:14
I don’t think very many of Trump’s 11 million came from 18 year olds. So you’re still talking about
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meanjeans
November 6, 2023, 10:13:42
27.3% of voting eligible population voted for trump in 2016. 31% in 2020.
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VIV
November 6, 2023, 10:19:01
How about this: Illini football home attendance averaged 29,000 last season. Say we win out
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meanjeans
November 6, 2023, 10:27:59
a better analogy
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VIV
November 6, 2023, 10:31:22
Actually that’s another analogy in favor of the point I’m making. Taking a stadium that’s not close
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meanjeans
November 6, 2023, 10:48:57
it wasn't a good analogy either way*
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VIV
November 6, 2023, 10:52:59
I’ve clearly explained this 4 different ways. You refusing to understand doesn’t make it not good*
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meanjeans
November 6, 2023, 11:01:25
i get your point
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VIV
November 6, 2023, 11:12:58
Ah, that’s fine. I can agree that the turnout % provides important context *
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meanjeans
November 6, 2023, 11:22:19
The stakes felt way higher
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Sounder
November 6, 2023, 11:14:44
because he's a populist and he appealed to about 20% of americans that really want that
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VIV
November 6, 2023, 9:30:55
Trump hasn’t really been a focus of the news again yet
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snipes824
November 6, 2023, 9:15:21
You falsely assume the crazy stuff that Trump does
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Sounder
November 6, 2023, 9:17:13
It did in 2020, that’s why Biden won*
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snipes824
November 6, 2023, 9:19:26
Every national election is decided by the dumbest voters in 6 swing states*
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Sounder
November 6, 2023, 9:22:46
thanks to our absurdly stupid system.*
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VIV
November 6, 2023, 10:07:41
it doesn't matter for his hardcore base. but his hardcore base isn't enough to win an election*
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VIV
November 6, 2023, 9:18:28
I said six months ago there was no chance Trump could win a national election
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Sounder
November 6, 2023, 9:24:13
I personally love that people think Trump is better
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Sounder
November 6, 2023, 9:02:09
wait do you honestly think international diplomacy is better today?*
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bigbop85
November 6, 2023, 9:13:45
Are you trolling?*
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JacobRDaugherty
November 6, 2023, 9:20:54
No*
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bigbop85
November 6, 2023, 9:22:44
No, he actually thinks this*
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Sounder
November 6, 2023, 9:22:01
Do I think our relationship with our allies is better under Biden?
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Sounder
November 6, 2023, 9:19:30
lol what? Ukraine land and civilians killed under Trump: 0
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bigbop85
November 6, 2023, 9:25:00
Jared squelching the inevitable Bahrain/Israel war. He also stopped Canada from invading Malta.
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complainant
November 6, 2023, 10:20:29
Do you think Ukraine is Biden’s fault?
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Sounder
November 6, 2023, 9:28:03
I know that Russia didn't invade Ukraine under Trump
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bigbop85
November 6, 2023, 9:32:43
Wasn't every major US city burning down in 2020? That's what conservative media tells me.
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Warrin'_Illini
November 6, 2023, 9:49:47
LOFL, every major city descending into chaos under his watch but Hamas definitely respected him.
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Toonces
November 6, 2023, 10:05:04
LOFL, remember when Tom Cotton wanted the federal government to intervene like that
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bigbop85
November 6, 2023, 10:48:56
Sorry your guy couldn’t keep our country from burning down. Only a person with a head injury would
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Toonces
November 6, 2023, 10:54:13
Is any of that Biden’s fault?
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Sounder
November 6, 2023, 9:40:09
I'm asking if the world is better or worse now vs January 2021
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bigbop85
November 6, 2023, 9:42:33
we're not in the middle of a pandemic. the economy is markedly better.
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VIV
November 6, 2023, 9:47:46
I'm asking about international diplomacy*
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bigbop85
November 6, 2023, 9:59:27
putin looks like a much bigger yssup than he did in jan of 2021.
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VIV
November 6, 2023, 10:02:30
I'll let my Ukrainian cleaning ladies know you think Russia is in the "win" column
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bigbop85
November 6, 2023, 10:06:41
Ask your Ukrainian cleaning ladies what they think of Biden's unwavering support of Urkraine.
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KingTalkyTiki
November 6, 2023, 10:59:29
nm
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KingTalkyTiki
November 6, 2023, 12:16:18
bop's assertion has been that putin wouldn't dare to invade ukraine if trump was president
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VIV
November 6, 2023, 11:24:03
Ya' know, America First and all that. I'm sure if Trump was president he'd be using those billions..
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KingTalkyTiki
November 6, 2023, 12:18:14
It’s not like Trump got impeached for extorting Zelensky
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Sounder
November 6, 2023, 11:03:29
anyone else in your family's employ from a foreign country that I can comment on?
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VIV
November 6, 2023, 10:15:11
there it is, the personal attack lash out
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bigbop85
November 6, 2023, 10:19:20
you brought it up.
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VIV
November 6, 2023, 10:24:04
How dare you go personal when he went fully anecdotal
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KingTalkyTiki
November 6, 2023, 11:03:02
You stated that Ukraine, Israel, and Afghanistan were better today than January 2021
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bigbop85
November 6, 2023, 10:38:17
no i didn't. you said that i said that.
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VIV
November 6, 2023, 11:05:44
Do you read what you type?
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bigbop85
November 6, 2023, 11:13:03
we've scrolled far enough right for godwin's law.
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VIV
November 6, 2023, 11:20:13
of course he does. or at least he pretends to.*
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VIV
November 6, 2023, 9:31:47
what a weird thing to pretend about*
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suburbanmyth
November 6, 2023, 9:42:02
Biden will deteriorate even more*
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JeffFrank
November 6, 2023, 8:43:56
ok*
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VIV
November 6, 2023, 8:46:02
Scary to see how he used to be:
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JeffFrank
November 6, 2023, 8:46:47
yeah, he's old.*
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VIV
November 6, 2023, 8:48:22
Good thing the alternative is so vigorous and lucid.
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SurfTheBoneyard
November 6, 2023, 8:50:00
Sioux _______*
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ATL
November 6, 2023, 8:54:47
Yo semites!*
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complainant
November 6, 2023, 10:22:58
Yes Biden will be 108 years old by then. Concerning.
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Warrin'_Illini
November 6, 2023, 8:41:07
this sketch ran on 11/2/91:
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Sammich
November 6, 2023, 8:31:30
Maybe even the color of Trump’s pajamas*
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Sounder
November 6, 2023, 8:30:18
if the GOP is smart they'll coalesce around a single opponent to trump
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VIV
November 6, 2023, 8:40:23
These polls are pretty ominous*
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gvibes
November 6, 2023, 9:22:33
let's see what they are next october.*
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VIV
November 6, 2023, 9:33:18
Narrator voice: but they didn’t coalesce
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Sounder
November 6, 2023, 8:59:48
MOE says hi.
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Chilango
November 6, 2023, 8:10:18
Plus registered vs likely voters.
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SurfTheBoneyard
November 6, 2023, 8:44:38
And what have you been told to think about this? *
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doubledown
November 5, 2023, 19:04:17
Article says unnamed generic Dem wins
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Potomac
November 5, 2023, 18:04:36
That is pretty typical no?*
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gvibes
November 6, 2023, 8:13:17
(Yes)*
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ATL
November 6, 2023, 8:30:51
Also as panic sets in, I’m betting more of this is coming from lib media
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bigbop85
November 5, 2023, 8:44:22
The migrant crisis and his blind support for Israel hurting his support…
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JeffFrank
November 5, 2023, 9:43:48
Agreed, he needs to be aggressively advocating for a ceasefire.*
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Toonces
November 5, 2023, 10:12:00
Bibi unleashed is turning into Assad*
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JeffFrank
November 5, 2023, 11:57:38
yep, and stoked by personal vengeance because hamas just cost him everything*
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suburbanmyth
November 5, 2023, 12:00:05
right now, Biden is behind because his dem support is cratering due to his ….
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suburbanmyth
November 5, 2023, 10:14:41
lol.*
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Ari Gold
November 5, 2023, 13:17:23
not that you've ever been swayed by facts or data
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suburbanmyth
November 5, 2023, 13:25:18
He's definitely not blindly supporting Israel
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bigbop85
November 5, 2023, 9:54:21
I’ve never done crack cocaine but reading this article and quote have to be similar
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bigbop85
November 5, 2023, 7:54:21
Four more years of Biden is going to be tough on you. *
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larue33
November 5, 2023, 9:03:22
I think it’s pretty likely Trump is going to win. And I say that as someone who really doesn’t want
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meanjeans
November 5, 2023, 9:47:56
Me? No. Average American? Yes*
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bigbop85
November 5, 2023, 9:06:32
So all those times you said you were anti-trump were lies?!*
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longsnapper
November 5, 2023, 8:21:52
Oh I’m anti-Trump
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bigbop85
November 5, 2023, 8:25:15
They shouldn’t. No Trump again should be everyone’s priority here. Even allowing for
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voiceofreason
November 5, 2023, 8:55:46
Agreed, Newsom or Pritzker vs DeSantis or Haley would be much healthier for society*
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bigbop85
November 5, 2023, 9:00:00
this is a good faith question, why is Biden bad for democracy in your view?
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Nobster
November 5, 2023, 12:18:18
I didn't say he was bad for Democracy
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bigbop85
November 6, 2023, 9:18:30
Are you pining for Rex Tillerson, Ryan Zinke or Jeff Sessions?
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complainant
November 6, 2023, 10:44:19
Those have a zero percent chance of happening unfortunately.*
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voiceofreason
November 5, 2023, 9:07:19
Ooo
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Herman Blume
November 5, 2023, 9:50:43
eh better than zero, but yeah probably not above 5%*
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bigbop85
November 5, 2023, 9:35:50
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