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Moving sidejack...and I'm probably gonna butcher this...

Posted by haighter <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=haighter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 27, 2025, 15:08:20

But, because of personal history, are there moving locations and/or vibes that are a hard-pass for you?

Farms. I worked on farms as a yute...I listen to all these crystal-collecting, earth mother, hippies talk about how great it'd be to buy a farm and get outta the city, etc.

MF'er...do you know how much work running a farm is? Even a small one? HARD FUCKING PASS.

Cities, Suburbs, and Florida (edits inside)

Posted by EffinIllini <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=EffinIllini' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 29, 2025, 10:07:22, in reply to "Moving sidejack...and I'm probably gonna butcher this..."

I have no real history of living in any of those places, but none of them seem appealing to me.

And to haighter's original point, I also would not live on a farm. Particularly a dairy farm. I know people whose longest vacation ever was 18 hours because those cows need milked at least 2-3 times a day and finding someone to that (while keeping up with their own farm) for more than a day is impossible.

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can't really live anywhere I need to drive to function, but Texas seems pretty hellish

Posted by ECEIllinois <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ECEIllinois' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 18:03:31, in reply to "Moving sidejack...and I'm probably gonna butcher this..."

besides the politics it's just so hot for so much of the year, nightmarish traffic, everything's so spread out, etc.

How bad is the Rockford area? Am I going to a shithole?

Posted by ibdoc <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ibdoc' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 17:14:54, in reply to "Moving sidejack...and I'm probably gonna butcher this..."

I'm looking to move to the east side of Rockford (probably 10-30 miles outside) in about 2 years. Kind of a temporary retirement move until my kids and future mrsdoc's kids get out of college.
nothing I read about Rockford is good though

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Is there anything other than farmland and Belvidere 10-30 miles east of Rockford?*

Posted by Carl Spackler <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Carl+Spackler' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 17:55:32, in reply to "How bad is the Rockford area? Am I going to a shithole?"

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Looking at homes in Belvidere, Poplar Grove, Caledonia/Candlewick Lake.

Posted by ibdoc <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ibdoc' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 18:05:46, in reply to "Is there anything other than farmland and Belvidere 10-30 miles east of Rockford?*"

Woodstock is an option but a bit too far east for a decent commute.

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My in-laws have a lake house on Candlewick Lake

Posted by Gene Parmesan <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Gene+Parmesan' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 29, 2025, 10:13:54, in reply to "Looking at homes in Belvidere, Poplar Grove, Caledonia/Candlewick Lake. "

it's fine. Not much around there.

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Woodstock is an option but a bit too far east for a decent commute.

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It’s perfectly fine there, and there are some lovely parts of Rockford*

Posted by PapaDels <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=PapaDels' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 18:18:34, in reply to "Looking at homes in Belvidere, Poplar Grove, Caledonia/Candlewick Lake. "

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Woodstock is an option but a bit too far east for a decent commute.

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I have schweppervessence and wessonality.

You get 30 miles east and you're running into the far west burbs.

Posted by Illiniphil <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Illiniphil' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 18:03:20, in reply to "Is there anything other than farmland and Belvidere 10-30 miles east of Rockford?*"

You could be in McHenry or Crystal Lake at 35 or so.....as the crow flies.

Certainly Marengo, Hampshire, and Huntley.

Depending on how far south you'd want to be, you could almost do Dekalb or Sycamore.

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In my limited time there, it's basically Peoria*

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 17:45:01, in reply to "How bad is the Rockford area? Am I going to a shithole?"

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Some really unsavory types live there*

Posted by Stu <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Stu' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 17:21:01, in reply to "How bad is the Rockford area? Am I going to a shithole?"

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Like Peoria? I know a few unsavory types that live there*

Posted by ibdoc <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ibdoc' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 17:32:34, in reply to "Some really unsavory types live there*"

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I know “Nasty” is in his username but still.*

Posted by DocWalk20 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=DocWalk20' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 19:33:10, in reply to "Like Peoria? I know a few unsavory types that live there*"

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oOO

Posted by Stu <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Stu' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 17:42:24, in reply to "Like Peoria? I know a few unsavory types that live there*"

https://www.areavibes.com/search-results/?st=il&ct=rockford&hd=&zip=&a

then why rockford? i'm sure you can find places that are nice enough for you. it's not chicago!*

Posted by torinese <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=torinese' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 17:20:14, in reply to "How bad is the Rockford area? Am I going to a shithole?"

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It's pretty much central location between my parents, her dad and all our kids

Posted by ibdoc <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ibdoc' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 17:31:48, in reply to "then why rockford? i'm sure you can find places that are nice enough for you. it's not chicago!*"

Or at least close to the airport for when her kids fly in.

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I read this as, “until my kids and future mrsdoc get out of college.”*

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 17:20:01, in reply to "How bad is the Rockford area? Am I going to a shithole?"

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"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

Ohio

Posted by AintHatin <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=AintHatin' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 15:16:46, in reply to "Moving sidejack...and I'm probably gonna butcher this..."

oh wait i live here...ffs

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I visited Columbus for the first time recently. Not a bad place*

Posted by CWR10 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=CWR10' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 16:35:54, in reply to "Ohio"

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oh wait i live here...ffs

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Columbus is the best. Just the Victorian district alone.*

Posted by Stu <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Stu' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 16:42:41, in reply to "I visited Columbus for the first time recently. Not a bad place*"

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oh wait i live here...ffs

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Cincinnati is a great place to raise a family.*

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oh wait i live here...ffs

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I live about halfway between Dayton and Cincinnati. Happiest we’ve ever been*

Posted by opossum jenkins <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=opossum+jenkins' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 16:28:05, in reply to "Cincinnati is a great place to raise a family.*"

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oh wait i live here...ffs

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Franklin is quite the happenin’ place

Posted by Stu <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Stu' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 17:16:33, in reply to "I live about halfway between Dayton and Cincinnati. Happiest we’ve ever been*"

It even has a Drury

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oh wait i live here...ffs

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Oxford?

Posted by tvillini <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=tvillini' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 16:40:50, in reply to "I live about halfway between Dayton and Cincinnati. Happiest we’ve ever been*"

I've been there ~4 times and enjoyed it each time

Posted by bjl63 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=bjl63' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 16:24:59, in reply to "Cincinnati is a great place to raise a family.*"

twice to go to King's Island and twice on baseball trips

I like how you're not quite sure if you're in the Midwest or the South*

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 16:24:50, in reply to "Cincinnati is a great place to raise a family.*"

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oh wait i live here...ffs

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Ohio's the best*

Posted by Stu <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Stu' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 15:20:27, in reply to "Ohio"

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oh wait i live here...ffs

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...for me to poop on.*

Posted by KingTalkyTiki <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=KingTalkyTiki' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 15:56:04, in reply to "Ohio's the best*"

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oh wait i live here...ffs

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"Speak for yourself in life. And don’t be a follower of people like Tiki because you think it makes you look cool. It really doesn’t."

"I'm thinking about engaging a lawyer."

I think I’d be willing to try anywhere assuming it doesn’t require me to spend hours in the car

Posted by GhostofPokeyStixPast <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=GhostofPokeyStixPast' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 13:56:46, in reply to "Moving sidejack...and I'm probably gonna butcher this..."

Commuting

And I am shocked no one has said they would not live in St. Louis yet.

I'd hate the summers but my BIL and SIL live in U City

Posted by bjl63 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=bjl63' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 16:30:44, in reply to "I think I’d be willing to try anywhere assuming it doesn’t require me to spend hours in the car "

and I really like their neighborhood

U City has some great neighborhoods. We looked at a house over there.

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 17:07:14, in reply to "I'd hate the summers but my BIL and SIL live in U City"

The basement had the largest spider I’ve ever seen in person. I was pretty much out on that particular house after that.

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and I really like their neighborhood

"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

We have some friends who moved from a small ass apt here to a really cool 3 story victorian duplex..

Posted by haighter <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=haighter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 29, 2025, 10:46:15, in reply to "U City has some great neighborhoods. We looked at a house over there. "

...a few blocks from Fox Park. They seem to really enjoy the decision.

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The basement had the largest spider I’ve ever seen in person. I was pretty much out on that particular house after that.

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and I really like their neighborhood

grew up in ECI - high school in a town of 500 - in Houston now

Posted by bulldogmba <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=bulldogmba' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 13:45:53, in reply to "Moving sidejack...and I'm probably gonna butcher this..."

could probably do something the size of CU, no small towns again

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Small towns are a HARD pass for me

Posted by illini21 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=illini21' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 13:37:08, in reply to "Moving sidejack...and I'm probably gonna butcher this..."

College towns the size of Champaign & Bloomington are pretty much perfect for me. Big enough to where there is always something going on but not overwhelming, no traffic, etc.

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Agreed, would happily live in the country, but no town smaller than CU.

Posted by larue33 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=larue33' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 14:06:29, in reply to "Small towns are a HARD pass for me"

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College towns the size of Champaign & Bloomington are pretty much perfect for me. Big enough to where there is always something going on but not overwhelming, no traffic, etc.

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i prefer the small towns around the college towns. away from the riff raff but still within 10-15

Posted by lcubed <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=lcubed' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 13:43:53, in reply to "Small towns are a HARD pass for me"

min of everything

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College towns the size of Champaign & Bloomington are pretty much perfect for me. Big enough to where there is always something going on but not overwhelming, no traffic, etc.

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There are two kinds of people in America.

Posted by complainant <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=complainant' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 13:53:05, in reply to "i prefer the small towns around the college towns. away from the riff raff but still within 10-15"

1. Those who've noticed that they have to drive to get anywhere

2. The unbothered

Did you try that there once?*

Posted by ATL <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ATL' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 13:42:30, in reply to "Small towns are a HARD pass for me"

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College towns the size of Champaign & Bloomington are pretty much perfect for me. Big enough to where there is always something going on but not overwhelming, no traffic, etc.

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“We are old and tired and just want to be taken care of.” - Republican voter, Dec. 2024.

college towns are kind of a cheat code*

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 13:38:32, in reply to "Small towns are a HARD pass for me"

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Cities the size of Champaign & Bloomington are pretty much perfect for me. Big enough to where there is always something going on but not overwhelming, no traffic, etc.

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can't believe C-U now has an H Mart*

Posted by ECEIllinois <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ECEIllinois' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 18:02:01, in reply to "college towns are kind of a cheat code*"

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Cities the size of Champaign & Bloomington are pretty much perfect for me. Big enough to where there is always something going on but not overwhelming, no traffic, etc.

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College towns... good. Similar size towns without major universities... good for a little while.*

Posted by uofi1998 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=uofi1998' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 15:42:32, in reply to "college towns are kind of a cheat code*"

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Cities the size of Champaign & Bloomington are pretty much perfect for me. Big enough to where there is always something going on but not overwhelming, no traffic, etc.

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You hear me talking, hillbilly boy?

Having now lived in a city for 14 years that would have previously been on my “NFW” list

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 13:34:12, in reply to "Moving sidejack...and I'm probably gonna butcher this..."

I’ve realized I’m a pretty adaptable guy. Now, there are definitely places I’d prefer. I’m much more of a city guy than a country guy, so I don’t know how well I’d do in a small town. Any metro of a million or more, I feel like I’d be able to find my niche.

"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

Now that I think about it, I would not live in most suburbs

Posted by Chilango <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Chilango' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 13:14:04, in reply to "Moving sidejack...and I'm probably gonna butcher this..."

small town, country or city

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Yeah no suburbs. Would prefer small town over burbs.*

Posted by DiamondDazzle <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=DiamondDazzle' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 13:47:42, in reply to "Now that I think about it, I would not live in most suburbs"

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small town, country or city

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I'm going to be honest, I am finally at an age where I absolutely understand the appeal

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 13:26:23, in reply to "Now that I think about it, I would not live in most suburbs"

of the suburbs. I'd love to completely rid myself of ever having to see a homeless person and be able to buy deodorant from Walgreens without having to ask someone to unlock it for me.

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small town, country or city

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On the flip side they opened a Starbucks that is walkable from my house.

Posted by tvillini <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=tvillini' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 14:58:43, in reply to "I'm going to be honest, I am finally at an age where I absolutely understand the appeal"

I don't care that it's a Starbucks... it's that it's something walkable to my house. Being WFH, anything I can do without having to get the car out of the garage is huge for me. I would much prefer to live some place walkable to things. Even in burbs, you can get to a place like that, even in my burb. And the only drawback is living there is 3-4x the price. I know I would be a ton healthier if I didn't live in the smack dab middle of suburban sprawl.

the past couple of times that I have been to Starbucks it's been an absolutey wretched experience

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 15:59:29, in reply to "On the flip side they opened a Starbucks that is walkable from my house."

I think the pandemic broke them.

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Don't get me wrong, I wish there was a real non-chain coffee shop nearby.

Posted by tvillini <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=tvillini' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 16:40:25, in reply to "the past couple of times that I have been to Starbucks it's been an absolutey wretched experience"

They opened a Biggby coffee literally right across the street from where the Starbucks is. It's been there for 2-3 years probably. It's a family owned franchise, so I wanted them to succeed. But their coffee is absolutely terrible. It's nothing the owners are doing. It's just trash coffee, way worse than Starbucks. I can live with Starbucks. It's fine, no where close to my local shops I like, but it's sufficient.

Only care about quality of coffee, not chain or not.

Posted by Chilango <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Chilango' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 29, 2025, 10:28:17, in reply to "Don't get me wrong, I wish there was a real non-chain coffee shop nearby."

Starbucks roasts the hell out of their coffee, killing any of best flavors at the light end of roasting.

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Biggby is the best coffee option in my parents town, it's fucking awful

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 16:43:40, in reply to "Don't get me wrong, I wish there was a real non-chain coffee shop nearby."

Starbucks at least has pretty good coffee and is a good place to hang out.

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I could very happily live in one of the close-in burbs here.

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 13:35:26, in reply to "I'm going to be honest, I am finally at an age where I absolutely understand the appeal"

Webster Groves, Kirkwood.

Living out in the hinterlands would be tough.

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of the suburbs. I'd love to completely rid myself of ever having to see a homeless person and be able to buy deodorant from Walgreens without having to ask someone to unlock it for me.

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small town, country or city

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"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

My definition of suburb in Chicago excludes OP and Evanston.

Posted by Chilango <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Chilango' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 13:42:47, in reply to "I could very happily live in one of the close-in burbs here. "

I would say my definition if based on where the EL goes. One of the things I highly value is not being on a train schedule, alongside diversity and being able to walk a lot of places.

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Webster Groves, Kirkwood.

Living out in the hinterlands would be tough.

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of the suburbs. I'd love to completely rid myself of ever having to see a homeless person and be able to buy deodorant from Walgreens without having to ask someone to unlock it for me.

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small town, country or city

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Yeah, when I say burbs, I mean one of the close in rich people ones*

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 13:37:20, in reply to "I could very happily live in one of the close-in burbs here. "

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Webster Groves, Kirkwood.

Living out in the hinterlands would be tough.

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of the suburbs. I'd love to completely rid myself of ever having to see a homeless person and be able to buy deodorant from Walgreens without having to ask someone to unlock it for me.

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Hangin out with the Marin bros at Tam Junction. *

Posted by haighter <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=haighter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 13:47:56, in reply to "Yeah, when I say burbs, I mean one of the close in rich people ones*"

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Webster Groves, Kirkwood.

Living out in the hinterlands would be tough.

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of the suburbs. I'd love to completely rid myself of ever having to see a homeless person and be able to buy deodorant from Walgreens without having to ask someone to unlock it for me.

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small town, country or city

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Give me Walnut Creek or Burlingame*

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 13:48:39, in reply to "Hangin out with the Marin bros at Tam Junction. *"

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Webster Groves, Kirkwood.

Living out in the hinterlands would be tough.

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of the suburbs. I'd love to completely rid myself of ever having to see a homeless person and be able to buy deodorant from Walgreens without having to ask someone to unlock it for me.

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small town, country or city

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They lock up stuff at suburban Walgreens too*

Posted by bjl63 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=bjl63' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 13:32:53, in reply to "I'm going to be honest, I am finally at an age where I absolutely understand the appeal"

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of the suburbs. I'd love to completely rid myself of ever having to see a homeless person and be able to buy deodorant from Walgreens without having to ask someone to unlock it for me.

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small town, country or city

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I like the physical structures you’re able to get in the suburbs (bigger, not as old, etc.)

Posted by snipes824 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=snipes824' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 13:32:38, in reply to "I'm going to be honest, I am finally at an age where I absolutely understand the appeal"

And a yard is always nice. But the isolation and non-walkability are just dealbreakers for me I think. I want to walk to a coffee shop on a Saturday morning. I just do.

If I’m going to live in a place with no walkability, it’s gotta be like San Diego or something.

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of the suburbs. I'd love to completely rid myself of ever having to see a homeless person and be able to buy deodorant from Walgreens without having to ask someone to unlock it for me.

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I'm exactly opposite of that. I'd rather have a smaller, historical home/condo...

...than a large cookie cutter post-war home.

That's why if I was have to move to a 'burb, it would be a historical one....see your Evanstons, your Oak Parks, etc

...but for what you pay for out there, in cost and property taxes, without kids, it makes more sense to stay in the city anyways.

"Speak for yourself in life. And don’t be a follower of people like Tiki because you think it makes you look cool. It really doesn’t."

"I'm thinking about engaging a lawyer."

Im actually with you. I like homes with character vs. cookie cutter

Posted by snipes824 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=snipes824' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 14:07:01, in reply to "I'm exactly opposite of that. I'd rather have a smaller, historical home/condo..."

Maybe it’s just heightened for me with the stock in Denver that we’re seeing right now. We’re finally looking to buy, and even though we have a decent budget that’s well above the average American, what it gets you here is pretty bad. 1,500 square feet with half in the basement. Small windows with minimal natural light. Many bedrooms with slanted ceilings that my 6’3” ass will slam my head on. Very small rooms with no open planning.

So I meant it more in the abstract. The homes in SF that I love might only be 1400 square feet too. But they have large bay windows with tons of natural light. The rooms don’t slant with the ceiling making certain rooms inhabitable. Half the square footage isn’t in the basement. Large open concepts that feel bigger than they are. Etc. So it’s not so much I love suburban architecture. It’s more I appreciate they were built with some characteristics I require.

I understand this problem is probably very specific to my market.

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Imagine having driving as the only option, but the list of possible destinations include

Posted by longsnapper <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=longsnapper' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 13:39:33, in reply to "I like the physical structures you’re able to get in the suburbs (bigger, not as old, etc.)"

Portillos
Buffalo wild wings
AMC 20
Applebee's
Target
Meijer
Whole foods
Create and barrel
Starbucks
Chick fil A

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of the suburbs. I'd love to completely rid myself of ever having to see a homeless person and be able to buy deodorant from Walgreens without having to ask someone to unlock it for me.

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small town, country or city

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Exactly. I don't even want to consider the amount of Portillo's I'd be eating.

Man, I would love a Meijer's tho.

"Speak for yourself in life. And don’t be a follower of people like Tiki because you think it makes you look cool. It really doesn’t."

"I'm thinking about engaging a lawyer."

I ate Portillo's about once every other week when living in the city

Posted by bjl63 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=bjl63' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 14:46:44, in reply to "Exactly. I don't even want to consider the amount of Portillo's I'd be eating."

Since we moved, I think i have had it twice in 4 years.

I really hate parking lots

Posted by snipes824 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=snipes824' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 13:52:07, in reply to "Imagine having driving as the only option, but the list of possible destinations include"

It’s why Denver was a little bit of a shock to the system for us. So many surface parking lots all throughout the city.

It’s an eyesore, it breaks up the urban built environment, and it makes walking less attractive. So making that my whole existence is just not that appealing to me.

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Portillos
Buffalo wild wings
AMC 20
Applebee's
Target
Meijer
Whole foods
Create and barrel
Starbucks
Chick fil A

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of the suburbs. I'd love to completely rid myself of ever having to see a homeless person and be able to buy deodorant from Walgreens without having to ask someone to unlock it for me.

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small town, country or city

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don't it always seem to go, you don't know what you got 'til it's gone

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 16:00:29, in reply to "I really hate parking lots"

they paved paradise and put up a parking lot.

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Portillos
Buffalo wild wings
AMC 20
Applebee's
Target
Meijer
Whole foods
Create and barrel
Starbucks
Chick fil A

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of the suburbs. I'd love to completely rid myself of ever having to see a homeless person and be able to buy deodorant from Walgreens without having to ask someone to unlock it for me.

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small town, country or city

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Chilis!*

Posted by DiamondDazzle <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=DiamondDazzle' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 13:50:19, in reply to "Imagine having driving as the only option, but the list of possible destinations include"

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Portillos
Buffalo wild wings
AMC 20
Applebee's
Target
Meijer
Whole foods
Create and barrel
Starbucks
Chick fil A

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of the suburbs. I'd love to completely rid myself of ever having to see a homeless person and be able to buy deodorant from Walgreens without having to ask someone to unlock it for me.

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small town, country or city

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At this point, I'd gladly give up the walkability to escape the nonsense

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 13:36:55, in reply to "I like the physical structures you’re able to get in the suburbs (bigger, not as old, etc.)"

the one thing I would not like is driving to the city.

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of the suburbs. I'd love to completely rid myself of ever having to see a homeless person and be able to buy deodorant from Walgreens without having to ask someone to unlock it for me.

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small town, country or city

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I totally get why people live in the 'burbs, even if it ain't for me.

You want convenience, ease, and a car-centric lifestyle, and you don't give a crap about blandness, sameness, walkability, and acres & acres of parking lots?

Hey, it's all about your priorities. There's major drawbacks to each...

"Speak for yourself in life. And don’t be a follower of people like Tiki because you think it makes you look cool. It really doesn’t."

"I'm thinking about engaging a lawyer."

love me those acres of parking lots*

Posted by cpsteine <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=cpsteine' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 15:33:23, in reply to "I totally get why people live in the 'burbs, even if it ain't for me."

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Also, “good schools” and “a yard”*

Posted by IlliniOllie <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=IlliniOllie' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 13:44:10, in reply to "I totally get why people live in the 'burbs, even if it ain't for me."

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This is where I sort of disagree but it's complicated

Posted by Chilango <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Chilango' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 14:08:16, in reply to "Also, “good schools” and “a yard”*"

The best schools in the state of Illinois are the best schools in the city. I agree that you cannot get the same size yard in city as burbs, but I have one. So it's all possible, it's just at what price and offset by other things.

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They're selectively enrolled, unlike normal public schools. Not a great comparison. Top kids at any

Posted by cpsteine <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=cpsteine' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 15:54:13, in reply to "This is where I sort of disagree but it's complicated"

decent school in Chi area end up similar places. I am a travel hockey coach. Half of our team is city kids, about half is Evanston. The level of stress for the 7th/8th grade families from the city is quite palpable vs those from Evanston or Wilmette (b/c those city grades matter for high school, in seventh grade!).

It's a lot to juggle. Some of our families work their nuts off to ensure perfect grades in 7th grade to give their kids a decent shot at the good high schools. It's another layer of shit. Works fine for some people, obv, but it would have been a nightmare, say, for my son versus my daughters.

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Agreed. But that's a choice.

Posted by Chilango <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Chilango' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 15:58:44, in reply to "They're selectively enrolled, unlike normal public schools. Not a great comparison. Top kids at any "

If you want to go to one of the five best HS in the state, that's the route. If you want certainty, you go to a good public HS in suburbs. And you have to weigh that with other things you value.

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that 'best school' shit more for the parents than anybody else. a kid in top classes at OPRF or NT

Posted by cpsteine <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=cpsteine' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 16:08:36, in reply to "Agreed. But that's a choice."

or wherever, their life is the same as a kid at Payton. And they end up at the same places.

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If you want to go to one of the five best HS in the state, that's the route. If you want certainty, you go to a good public HS in suburbs. And you have to weigh that with other things you value.

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No doubt. We try to optimize, school isn't as important as we think

Posted by Chilango <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Chilango' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 17:01:14, in reply to "that 'best school' shit more for the parents than anybody else. a kid in top classes at OPRF or NT"

Indeed I'm pretty sure research would say it really doesn't matter to long term outcomes.
That being said, I would never send my kid to NT because of other values. So the idea of what we value in where we choose to live doesn't play a role within the school choice. Things like diversity, walkability, sports, academics, etc. I don't want my kid going to some entitled private school anymore than I want them going to some entitled public school.

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or wherever, their life is the same as a kid at Payton. And they end up at the same places.

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If you want to go to one of the five best HS in the state, that's the route. If you want certainty, you go to a good public HS in suburbs. And you have to weigh that with other things you value.

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They’re also schools you have to get lucky/be smart to get into.

Posted by Carl Spackler <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Carl+Spackler' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 15:41:37, in reply to "This is where I sort of disagree but it's complicated"

Vs you just move into a town and you’re in, for all your kids, in a convenient location to where you live.

And yeah, the yard thing is night and day difference. My yard, which we use every inch of multiple times a week when it’s nice, is basically a city lot sized. We don’t have that kind of scratch to have a side lot in the city, that’s for sure.

It’s all different strokes for different folks.

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Exactly agree. I would *or afford to live in neighborhood

Posted by Chilango <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Chilango' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 15:43:59, in reply to "They’re also schools you have to get lucky/be smart to get into."

And I have a yard the kids can play in, but it's not that big (1.7x wide city lot), but in 4 min walk they have the largest park in the city and a lake and a beach.
These are simply all decision on values and economics. I get it. We all choose what we will/ won't give on.

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That's true for the most part....although I've lived in the 'burbs without a yard...

..and lived in the city with a huge vacant lot for a yard.

"Speak for yourself in life. And don’t be a follower of people like Tiki because you think it makes you look cool. It really doesn’t."

"I'm thinking about engaging a lawyer."

I've got both of those. *

Posted by haighter <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=haighter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 13:49:57, in reply to "Also, “good schools” and “a yard”*"

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TO be clear, I understand why, I just don't want it for me or my family*

Posted by Chilango <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Chilango' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 13:41:24, in reply to "I totally get why people live in the 'burbs, even if it ain't for me."

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Not sure how the burbs are more convenient. In my experience, they're

Posted by longsnapper <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=longsnapper' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 13:41:00, in reply to "I totally get why people live in the 'burbs, even if it ain't for me."

Much, much more inconvenient

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Lots of puns, no real answers

There are times I want to go grocery shopping for example..

...and I live in a neighborhood in the city that is far from the most congested, but there are times that the hassle of even driving a couple miles to the store is enough of a pain in the ass that I don't.

That kind of convenience

"Speak for yourself in life. And don’t be a follower of people like Tiki because you think it makes you look cool. It really doesn’t."

"I'm thinking about engaging a lawyer."

I'll drive past four grocery stores to go to the "good" grocery store*

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 16:04:53, in reply to "There are times I want to go grocery shopping for example.."

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I have two walkable, two others almost walkable. *

Posted by Chilango <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Chilango' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 15:59:33, in reply to "There are times I want to go grocery shopping for example.."

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I hate walking to the grocery store because I hate walking home with heavy groceries*

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 16:06:33, in reply to "I have two walkable, two others almost walkable. *"

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Go more frequently? Eat less? :)

Posted by Chilango <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Chilango' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 17:03:20, in reply to "I hate walking to the grocery store because I hate walking home with heavy groceries*"

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Also, I recently got an electric cargo bike and the thing is fucking amazing

Posted by longsnapper <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=longsnapper' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 14:26:20, in reply to "There are times I want to go grocery shopping for example.."

Unless it's raining, that's what I use to run errands. You get places so much quicker and have way more fun doing it.

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Lots of puns, no real answers

Don't think driving to a grocery store in the suburbs is any less a pain

Posted by longsnapper <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=longsnapper' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 14:24:46, in reply to "There are times I want to go grocery shopping for example.."

You might not travel the same distance, but the time spent overall is probably similar.

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Lots of puns, no real answers

Frankly, the only time, city or suburbia, that going to the store was ever a pain IMO

Posted by bjl63 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=bjl63' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 14:51:24, in reply to "Don't think driving to a grocery store in the suburbs is any less a pain"

was when I lived in the West Loop and tried going to the Greektown Mariano's.

You're exactly right. Probably takes me as much time to get to 1.5 mi to the Jewels in the city...

...as it does for me to drive 8 mi into town to the Sav-More in Wisky.

Yet dealing with the city traffic makes it 10x more agonizing to me.

"Speak for yourself in life. And don’t be a follower of people like Tiki because you think it makes you look cool. It really doesn’t."

"I'm thinking about engaging a lawyer."

yes, I'm saying that at this life stage, I'm perfectly good with the trade off*

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 13:38:08, in reply to "I totally get why people live in the 'burbs, even if it ain't for me."

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Same. Even in small cities.

From what I've seen spending time in places such as Des Moines and Omaha...I'd rather live in the city itself, than the suburbs of said small cities.

"Speak for yourself in life. And don’t be a follower of people like Tiki because you think it makes you look cool. It really doesn’t."

"I'm thinking about engaging a lawyer."

I'd never live in a city, but it's more just personal preference, not specific history*

Posted by IlliniOllie <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=IlliniOllie' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 11:49:38, in reply to "Moving sidejack...and I'm probably gonna butcher this..."

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Personally, I think the word "city" is way too vague in this instance

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 11:53:15, in reply to "I'd never live in a city, but it's more just personal preference, not specific history*"

I live in the 14th largest city in the US and I think it's too big about half the time, love it the other half.

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anywhere further south than northern IL

Posted by Sammich <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sammich' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 10:34:50, in reply to "Moving sidejack...and I'm probably gonna butcher this..."

unless we're talking southern hemisphere, then it'd be anywhere further north than, say, Melbourne

strolling through the crowd like Peter Lorre contemplating a crime

Pretty much any state that borders the Gulf of Mexico except maybe Texas.

Posted by ATL <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ATL' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 10:22:12, in reply to "Moving sidejack...and I'm probably gonna butcher this..."

For a variety of reasons.

I wouldn't mind moving to the high desert of Texas but I'd need a plane and a personal pilot to make it acceptable because it's so remote. Also wouldn't want to live between the Appalachians and the Front Range, except for Chicago or a collar suburb and (maybe) Minneapolis.

I'd probably be fine living most other places.

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“We are old and tired and just want to be taken care of.” - Republican voter, Dec. 2024.

*head tilt*

Posted by timmer <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=timmer' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 13:06:58, in reply to "Pretty much any state that borders the Gulf of Mexico except maybe Texas."

*checks google maps. Cannot locate ‘Gulf of Mexico’*

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(for rent)

Which state do people regret moving to the most?

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 10:09:16, in reply to "Moving sidejack...and I'm probably gonna butcher this..."

"Which state do people regret moving to the most?"pic.twitter.com/c6cYBv0Dgu
— Defiant L’s (@DefiantLs) May 27, 2025

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I saw a pretty interesting infographic about "Californian" migration...

Posted by haighter <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=haighter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 11:31:26, in reply to "Which state do people regret moving to the most?"

...and despite everyone complaining about "Californians" invading their state, we have the 4th most sticky population if you're a native Californian.

So, their argument was the vast majority of people moving away from California were likely people who were transplants to start with based on the birthplace stickiness metric.

Which also seems valid. I'm not a native, but I'm native adjacent and there's no way it'd be possible to live where I do without birthplace stickiness due to cost of living and insularness.

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"Which state do people regret moving to the most?" pic.twitter.com/c6cYBv0Dgu — Defiant L’s (@DefiantLs) May 27, 2025 .

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Of all my friends who lived in California when I was there

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 11:33:27, in reply to "I saw a pretty interesting infographic about "Californian" migration..."

admittedly all of which were transplants, every single one of them has moved away. I love California, and I love going back to visit, but the cost of living is just too much. This is also where I remind you that you live in a free house next to a free guest house.

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"Which state do people regret moving to the most?" pic.twitter.com/c6cYBv0Dgu — Defiant L’s (@DefiantLs) May 27, 2025 .

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I left. Had a chance to go back about 10 years ago for a VC job. We decided against it. I was

Posted by cpsteine <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=cpsteine' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 15:32:54, in reply to "Of all my friends who lived in California when I was there"

hyperventilating about having a family in Berkeley and having to get down to Mountain View-ish spots on a regular basis. I'd done it enough to know how much it sucks. And also rebuilding a life we already had. I adore SFO, however, and my time living there was young person magic. My regular run brought me through the Presidio, by the bridge, and back on up eucalyptus groves. Special spot.

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"Which state do people regret moving to the most?" pic.twitter.com/c6cYBv0Dgu — Defiant L’s (@DefiantLs) May 27, 2025 .

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The cost of living is too much, but SF is my dream

Posted by snipes824 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=snipes824' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 11:47:21, in reply to "Of all my friends who lived in California when I was there"

The math doesn’t math for us right now, but if we had the money, there’s no place I’d rather live than in a beautiful San Francisco Victorian.

The city is the perfect balance of having character, culture, weather, and true walkability, while being wayyyy less chaotic than New York and an easier place to live.

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"Which state do people regret moving to the most?" pic.twitter.com/c6cYBv0Dgu — Defiant L’s (@DefiantLs) May 27, 2025 .

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I am living the dream where I live*

Posted by JeffFrank <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=JeffFrank' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 13:19:11, in reply to "The cost of living is too much, but SF is my dream"

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"Which state do people regret moving to the most?" pic.twitter.com/c6cYBv0Dgu — Defiant L’s (@DefiantLs) May 27, 2025 .

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That’s a great thing to be able to say*

Posted by snipes824 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=snipes824' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 13:22:29, in reply to "I am living the dream where I live*"

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"Which state do people regret moving to the most?" pic.twitter.com/c6cYBv0Dgu — Defiant L’s (@DefiantLs) May 27, 2025 .

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concrete jungle where dreams are made of

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 13:31:35, in reply to "That’s a great thing to be able to say*"

there's nothing you can't do

big lights will inspire you.

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"Which state do people regret moving to the most?" pic.twitter.com/c6cYBv0Dgu — Defiant L’s (@DefiantLs) May 27, 2025 .

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Living there is as awesome as you think it is

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 11:49:13, in reply to "The cost of living is too much, but SF is my dream"

It's also absurdly expensive.

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"Which state do people regret moving to the most?" pic.twitter.com/c6cYBv0Dgu — Defiant L’s (@DefiantLs) May 27, 2025 .

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I got served a YouTube video yesterday from an influencer SF mom talking about what it costs to live

Posted by snipes824 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=snipes824' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 11:53:14, in reply to "Living there is as awesome as you think it is"

there per week.

She divided any monthly costs by 4 to get a weekly estimate, so the weekly includes prorated mortgage and daycare for two kids.

$5000/week

You just have to laugh (and get promoted).

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It's also absurdly expensive.

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"Which state do people regret moving to the most?" pic.twitter.com/c6cYBv0Dgu — Defiant L’s (@DefiantLs) May 27, 2025 .

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That is absurd*

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 11:55:29, in reply to "I got served a YouTube video yesterday from an influencer SF mom talking about what it costs to live"

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It's also absurdly expensive.

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"Which state do people regret moving to the most?" pic.twitter.com/c6cYBv0Dgu — Defiant L’s (@DefiantLs) May 27, 2025 .

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Yea...that screams influencer clickbait...that said, I'd love to see it and critique it. *

Posted by haighter <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=haighter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 11:56:25, in reply to "That is absurd*"

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It's also absurdly expensive.

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"Which state do people regret moving to the most?" pic.twitter.com/c6cYBv0Dgu — Defiant L’s (@DefiantLs) May 27, 2025 .

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The majority was $5,700 mortgage (which is actually low) and $8k/month for childcare for 2

Posted by snipes824 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=snipes824' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 11:59:45, in reply to "Yea...that screams influencer clickbait...that said, I'd love to see it and critique it. *"

That’s like $3500 of it right there.

The rest was bullshit like pet insurance for 4 dogs and a running coach (influencer garbage), but even if you cut stuff like that out and only include groceries, bills, eating out a couple times, etc., it’s not wildly far off.

Obviously you can probably do a little better on childcare, and if you don’t have kids or have 1, it comes down.

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It's also absurdly expensive.

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"Which state do people regret moving to the most?" pic.twitter.com/c6cYBv0Dgu — Defiant L’s (@DefiantLs) May 27, 2025 .

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That childcare number is just wild

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 12:04:14, in reply to "The majority was $5,700 mortgage (which is actually low) and $8k/month for childcare for 2"

We used to spend $400 a month for full time every day daycare for our weimaraner and I thought that was absurd.

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"Which state do people regret moving to the most?" pic.twitter.com/c6cYBv0Dgu — Defiant L’s (@DefiantLs) May 27, 2025 .

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It's not a real number...unless they have a live in Ms Doubtfire or something...

Posted by haighter <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=haighter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 12:08:58, in reply to "That childcare number is just wild"

...or they're including something like their full time professional nanny, their horseriding instructor and swim and soccer coaches or something.

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We used to spend $400 a month for full time every day daycare for our weimaraner and I thought that was absurd.

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"Which state do people regret moving to the most?" pic.twitter.com/c6cYBv0Dgu — Defiant L’s (@DefiantLs) May 27, 2025 .

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the average cost of childcare in SF is $2K, so her number is at least in line with a range*

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 12:13:19, in reply to "It's not a real number...unless they have a live in Ms Doubtfire or something..."

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...or they're including something like their full time professional nanny, their horseriding instructor and swim and soccer coaches or something.

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We used to spend $400 a month for full time every day daycare for our weimaraner and I thought that was absurd.

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"Which state do people regret moving to the most?" pic.twitter.com/c6cYBv0Dgu — Defiant L’s (@DefiantLs) May 27, 2025 .

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Yeah I think she sent them to some hoity-toity one, but even if you reduce to something more

Posted by snipes824 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=snipes824' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 12:23:33, in reply to "the average cost of childcare in SF is $2K, so her number is at least in line with a range*"

standard, I think close to 4K/week if you have 2 kids is kinda not wildly out of line? Maybe 3k with no kids.

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...or they're including something like their full time professional nanny, their horseriding instructor and swim and soccer coaches or something.

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We used to spend $400 a month for full time every day daycare for our weimaraner and I thought that was absurd.

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It's also absurdly expensive.

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"Which state do people regret moving to the most?" pic.twitter.com/c6cYBv0Dgu — Defiant L’s (@DefiantLs) May 27, 2025 .

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The thing is, I think she's telling the truth*

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 11:59:34, in reply to "Yea...that screams influencer clickbait...that said, I'd love to see it and critique it. *"

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"Which state do people regret moving to the most?" pic.twitter.com/c6cYBv0Dgu — Defiant L’s (@DefiantLs) May 27, 2025 .

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(Or marry a local) *

Posted by haighter <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=haighter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 11:54:45, in reply to "I got served a YouTube video yesterday from an influencer SF mom talking about what it costs to live"

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It's also absurdly expensive.

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"Which state do people regret moving to the most?" pic.twitter.com/c6cYBv0Dgu — Defiant L’s (@DefiantLs) May 27, 2025 .

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Very true. Unfortunately, already missed the boat on that one*

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"Which state do people regret moving to the most?" pic.twitter.com/c6cYBv0Dgu — Defiant L’s (@DefiantLs) May 27, 2025 .

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I mean, I admitted as much in my post. While I love where I live, I'd never suggest...

Posted by haighter <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=haighter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 11:39:09, in reply to "Of all my friends who lived in California when I was there"

...someone pick up their life and move it here with no existing roots or network. The juice ain't gonna be worth the squeeze unless you're pretty well off.

I'm just going through my random list of acquaintances and I can't think of a single one where neither parent happens to be a native.

It just rarely seems to work that way. Maybe it's that way everywhere but definitely seems to be the case here if you decide to have a family.

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"Which state do people regret moving to the most?" pic.twitter.com/c6cYBv0Dgu — Defiant L’s (@DefiantLs) May 27, 2025 .

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I always tell people that the reason that California is so expensive

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 11:45:26, in reply to "I mean, I admitted as much in my post. While I love where I live, I'd never suggest..."

is because it's better than where you live. It's called the sunshine tax for a reason. We just got back from our annual Napa trip. God damn it's nice there.

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"Which state do people regret moving to the most?" pic.twitter.com/c6cYBv0Dgu — Defiant L’s (@DefiantLs) May 27, 2025 .

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I went to Pacifica (Sharp Park) to the bait shop on Sunday...and as I rounded the corner...

Posted by haighter <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=haighter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 11:51:09, in reply to "I always tell people that the reason that California is so expensive"

...from Skyline to the 1 where you see all of Pacifica laid out in front of you...it was sunny...the water was blue-green and it was just stunningly gorgeous.

I know it's foggy most of the time, but on a sunny day the drop into Pacifica is just stunning.

I thought of you and that's when I remembered you were probably enjoying Khraungbin the same weekend. ;-)

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is because it's better than where you live. It's called the sunshine tax for a reason. We just got back from our annual Napa trip. God damn it's nice there.

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"Which state do people regret moving to the most?" pic.twitter.com/c6cYBv0Dgu — Defiant L’s (@DefiantLs) May 27, 2025 .

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it's a magical place, one of the coolest and most unique places I have ever lived

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 11:52:23, in reply to "I went to Pacifica (Sharp Park) to the bait shop on Sunday...and as I rounded the corner..."

as you said, when it's clear, it's breathtaking, and it's always kind of funny when you round that same corner and just see a wall of wet salty fog.

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is because it's better than where you live. It's called the sunshine tax for a reason. We just got back from our annual Napa trip. God damn it's nice there.

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"Which state do people regret moving to the most?" pic.twitter.com/c6cYBv0Dgu — Defiant L’s (@DefiantLs) May 27, 2025 .

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I have a similar experience at work. I'm at the distillery, literally over the bay...

Posted by haighter <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=haighter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 11:54:10, in reply to "it's a magical place, one of the coolest and most unique places I have ever lived"

...it'll be sunny and gorgeous, especially in the summer. I'll walk outside and look back towards Twin Peaks and if it's cloudy up there I know it's a dreary shitty weather day at home...5 miles away.

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as you said, when it's clear, it's breathtaking, and it's always kind of funny when you round that same corner and just see a wall of wet salty fog.

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is because it's better than where you live. It's called the sunshine tax for a reason. We just got back from our annual Napa trip. God damn it's nice there.

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"Which state do people regret moving to the most?" pic.twitter.com/c6cYBv0Dgu — Defiant L’s (@DefiantLs) May 27, 2025 .

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Jersey's weather isn't that bad. But it's expensive and very crowded in North Jersey.

Posted by ATL <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ATL' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 10:18:41, in reply to "Which state do people regret moving to the most?"

Central and South Jersey are pretty nice though.

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"Which state do people regret moving to the most?" pic.twitter.com/c6cYBv0Dgu — Defiant L’s (@DefiantLs) May 27, 2025 .

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“We are old and tired and just want to be taken care of.” - Republican voter, Dec. 2024.

I think this is mostly about congestion and cost of living

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 10:28:22, in reply to "Jersey's weather isn't that bad. But it's expensive and very crowded in North Jersey."

I loved living in Chicago and SF my 20's, but it sounds awful now.

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Central and South Jersey are pretty nice though.

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"Which state do people regret moving to the most?" pic.twitter.com/c6cYBv0Dgu — Defiant L’s (@DefiantLs) May 27, 2025 .

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That’s the big problem with the DC area

Posted by DT <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=DT' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 11:19:57, in reply to "I think this is mostly about congestion and cost of living"

In retrospect I should have lived in the city rather than northern Virginia when I moved out there, and relied more on public transit. But trying to drive anywhere is an absolute disaster 18 hours a day 7 days/week.

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I loved living in Chicago and SF my 20's, but it sounds awful now.

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Central and South Jersey are pretty nice though.

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"Which state do people regret moving to the most?" pic.twitter.com/c6cYBv0Dgu — Defiant L’s (@DefiantLs) May 27, 2025 .

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DC outkicks its coverage in terms of transit

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 11:26:54, in reply to "That’s the big problem with the DC area"

because it's subsidized by the federal government.

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I loved living in Chicago and SF my 20's, but it sounds awful now.

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Central and South Jersey are pretty nice though.

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"Which state do people regret moving to the most?" pic.twitter.com/c6cYBv0Dgu — Defiant L’s (@DefiantLs) May 27, 2025 .

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It's unreliable for the same reason.

Posted by complainant <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=complainant' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 13:04:09, in reply to "DC outkicks its coverage in terms of transit"

Public transit is always a political football, anywhere. But having Texan Republicans deciding whether to fund a Maryland subway creates problems.

imagine the hellscape Nashville will be in 20 years*

Posted by Sammich <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sammich' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 10:32:56, in reply to "I think this is mostly about congestion and cost of living"

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I loved living in Chicago and SF my 20's, but it sounds awful now.

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Central and South Jersey are pretty nice though.

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"Which state do people regret moving to the most?" pic.twitter.com/c6cYBv0Dgu — Defiant L’s (@DefiantLs) May 27, 2025 .

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strolling through the crowd like Peter Lorre contemplating a crime

All the people in Tennessee, Texas, and Florida that point to the mess that California is

Posted by longsnapper <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=longsnapper' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 11:28:23, in reply to "imagine the hellscape Nashville will be in 20 years*"

Are ignoring the fact that they ARE California in 25-30 years. Texas is extra fucked due to environmental changes.

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I loved living in Chicago and SF my 20's, but it sounds awful now.

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Central and South Jersey are pretty nice though.

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"Which state do people regret moving to the most?" pic.twitter.com/c6cYBv0Dgu — Defiant L’s (@DefiantLs) May 27, 2025 .

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Lots of puns, no real answers

Florida is more fucked that Texas. The housing market down there is moving towards a crisis.

Posted by ATL <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ATL' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 11:34:52, in reply to "All the people in Tennessee, Texas, and Florida that point to the mess that California is"

https://www.newsweek.com/south-florida-homes-sale-quadruple-residents-leave-en-masse-2070177

South Florida's housing market is undergoing a sharp reversal as the number of homes for sale climbs to its highest level in nearly a decade—quadrupling since 2022, figures show. Real estate analysts say the surge is driven by a drop in demand and a wave of homeowners deciding to sell amid rising costs and stagnant affordability.

“We are old and tired and just want to be taken care of.” - Republican voter, Dec. 2024.

My friend's gf bought a couple places down there in 2021 as investment/airBNB opps.

Posted by Warrin'_Illini $<iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Warrin\'_Illini' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'>$ on May 28, 2025, 11:45:16, in reply to "Florida is more fucked that Texas. The housing market down there is moving towards a crisis."

She's upside down on both and totally fucked. Had hurricane damage at one of them, and the other has severely onerous rules about airBnb'ing it.

Most people don't realize what a PITA real estate is.

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https://www.newsweek.com/south-florida-homes-sale-quadruple-residents-leave-en-masse-2070177
South Florida's housing market is undergoing a sharp reversal as the number of homes for sale climbs to its highest level in nearly a decade—quadrupling since 2022, figures show. Real estate analysts say the surge is driven by a drop in demand and a wave of homeowners deciding to sell amid rising costs and stagnant affordability.

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being a landlord is the worst*

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 11:46:10, in reply to "My friend's gf bought a couple places down there in 2021 as investment/airBNB opps."

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She's upside down on both and totally fucked. Had hurricane damage at one of them, and the other has severely onerous rules about airBnb'ing it.

Most people don't realize what a PITA real estate is.

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I'm sure the Texas power grid will be just fine*

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 11:30:02, in reply to "All the people in Tennessee, Texas, and Florida that point to the mess that California is"

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Are ignoring the fact that they ARE California in 25-30 years. Texas is extra fucked due to environmental changes.

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I loved living in Chicago and SF my 20's, but it sounds awful now.

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Central and South Jersey are pretty nice though.

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"Which state do people regret moving to the most?" pic.twitter.com/c6cYBv0Dgu — Defiant L’s (@DefiantLs) May 27, 2025 .

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Austin and Atlanta are already there. Density is increasing substantially without the will to build

Posted by ATL <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ATL' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 11:07:30, in reply to "imagine the hellscape Nashville will be in 20 years*"

transit. So one good thing (density) is hamstrung by a no transit NIMBYism in parts of the city and some of the suburbs.

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I loved living in Chicago and SF my 20's, but it sounds awful now.

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Central and South Jersey are pretty nice though.

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"Which state do people regret moving to the most?" pic.twitter.com/c6cYBv0Dgu — Defiant L’s (@DefiantLs) May 27, 2025 .

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“We are old and tired and just want to be taken care of.” - Republican voter, Dec. 2024.

I mean it was pretty evident in Atlanta 20 years ago. I can't imagine how bad it is now.*

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transit. So one good thing (density) is hamstrung by a no transit NIMBYism in parts of the city and some of the suburbs.

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I loved living in Chicago and SF my 20's, but it sounds awful now.

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Central and South Jersey are pretty nice though.

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"Which state do people regret moving to the most?" pic.twitter.com/c6cYBv0Dgu — Defiant L’s (@DefiantLs) May 27, 2025 .

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"Speak for yourself in life. And don’t be a follower of people like Tiki because you think it makes you look cool. It really doesn’t."

"I'm thinking about engaging a lawyer."

Atlanta's metro area was 3.5 million in 2000. It's now 6.25 million. There's been no expansion of

Posted by ATL <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ATL' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 11:25:22, in reply to "I mean it was pretty evident in Atlanta 20 years ago. I can't imagine how bad it is now.*"

rail other than a small streetcar that circulates in part of downtown. No extensions of MARTA into north Fulton, Cobb, Gwinnett or Forsyth counties, which are substantial growth drivers.

They should have built a commuter rail line from Athens to Atlanta. Didn't.

They should have extended the main N/S MARTA line to Alpharetta. Nope.

They should have transit to Truist Park. LOL.

They should have built a surface rail line from Emory to Georgia Tech via the MARTA between Lindbergh and Midtown. Nope.

They are FINALLY thinking of building infill stations on the existing network.

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transit. So one good thing (density) is hamstrung by a no transit NIMBYism in parts of the city and some of the suburbs.

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I loved living in Chicago and SF my 20's, but it sounds awful now.

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Central and South Jersey are pretty nice though.

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"Which state do people regret moving to the most?" pic.twitter.com/c6cYBv0Dgu — Defiant L’s (@DefiantLs) May 27, 2025 .

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“We are old and tired and just want to be taken care of.” - Republican voter, Dec. 2024.

That seems untenable*

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 11:28:32, in reply to "Atlanta's metro area was 3.5 million in 2000. It's now 6.25 million. There's been no expansion of "

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transit. So one good thing (density) is hamstrung by a no transit NIMBYism in parts of the city and some of the suburbs.

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I loved living in Chicago and SF my 20's, but it sounds awful now.

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Central and South Jersey are pretty nice though.

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"Which state do people regret moving to the most?" pic.twitter.com/c6cYBv0Dgu — Defiant L’s (@DefiantLs) May 27, 2025 .

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I used to think that not being able to take mass transit from the airport to Alpharetta was redic...

...then they built a baseball park with no access to mass transit in an effort to one up themselves.

Fucking crazy.

"Speak for yourself in life. And don’t be a follower of people like Tiki because you think it makes you look cool. It really doesn’t."

"I'm thinking about engaging a lawyer."

It's absolutely insane to me that stadiums built in the 90's have already been replaced*

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 11:29:06, in reply to "I used to think that not being able to take mass transit from the airport to Alpharetta was redic..."

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...then they built a baseball park with no access to mass transit in an effort to one up themselves.

Fucking crazy.

Atlanta did the 1996 Olympics on the cheap (which is why they made a profit). The facilities

Posted by ATL <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ATL' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 11:34:27, in reply to "It's absolutely insane to me that stadiums built in the 90's have already been replaced*"

they built were kinda trash, including Turner Field and the Dome. As an Orioles fan who was still based in MD when Camden Yards was built, I marveled at how bad Turner Field was.

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...then they built a baseball park with no access to mass transit in an effort to one up themselves.

Fucking crazy.

“We are old and tired and just want to be taken care of.” - Republican voter, Dec. 2024.

Coors Field is the third oldest ballpark in the National League

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 11:46:46, in reply to "Atlanta did the 1996 Olympics on the cheap (which is why they made a profit). The facilities"

chew on that for a minute.

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they built were kinda trash, including Turner Field and the Dome. As an Orioles fan who was still based in MD when Camden Yards was built, I marveled at how bad Turner Field was.

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...then they built a baseball park with no access to mass transit in an effort to one up themselves.

Fucking crazy.

When summer arrives in Seattle, it makes you realize how broken our transit system is*

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 11:08:56, in reply to "Austin and Atlanta are already there. Density is increasing substantially without the will to build"

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transit. So one good thing (density) is hamstrung by a no transit NIMBYism in parts of the city and some of the suburbs.

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I loved living in Chicago and SF my 20's, but it sounds awful now.

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Central and South Jersey are pretty nice though.

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"Which state do people regret moving to the most?" pic.twitter.com/c6cYBv0Dgu — Defiant L’s (@DefiantLs) May 27, 2025 .

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10x better than Atlanta.*

Posted by ATL <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ATL' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 11:17:41, in reply to "When summer arrives in Seattle, it makes you realize how broken our transit system is*"

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transit. So one good thing (density) is hamstrung by a no transit NIMBYism in parts of the city and some of the suburbs.

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I loved living in Chicago and SF my 20's, but it sounds awful now.

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Central and South Jersey are pretty nice though.

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"Which state do people regret moving to the most?" pic.twitter.com/c6cYBv0Dgu — Defiant L’s (@DefiantLs) May 27, 2025 .

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“We are old and tired and just want to be taken care of.” - Republican voter, Dec. 2024.

that doesn't make either tenable*

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 11:19:54, in reply to "10x better than Atlanta.*"

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transit. So one good thing (density) is hamstrung by a no transit NIMBYism in parts of the city and some of the suburbs.

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I loved living in Chicago and SF my 20's, but it sounds awful now.

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Central and South Jersey are pretty nice though.

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"Which state do people regret moving to the most?" pic.twitter.com/c6cYBv0Dgu — Defiant L’s (@DefiantLs) May 27, 2025 .

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Candidly, it kind of bums me out to think about

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 10:37:31, in reply to "imagine the hellscape Nashville will be in 20 years*"

any place "good" inevitably gets ruined.

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I loved living in Chicago and SF my 20's, but it sounds awful now.

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Central and South Jersey are pretty nice though.

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"Which state do people regret moving to the most?" pic.twitter.com/c6cYBv0Dgu — Defiant L’s (@DefiantLs) May 27, 2025 .

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I could never live in an urban downtown. Too much going on for me.*

Posted by PapaDels <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=PapaDels' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 27, 2025, 20:34:56, in reply to "Moving sidejack...and I'm probably gonna butcher this..."

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I have schweppervessence and wessonality.

Just Texas*

Posted by Taz <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Taz' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 27, 2025, 19:50:27, in reply to "Moving sidejack...and I'm probably gonna butcher this..."

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Sometimes you just need to yeet a bobcat *

Being an Illini fan is a goddamn curse.*

Hot take: people who don't like Texas either haven't spent much time there

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 10:12:01, in reply to "Just Texas*"

or aren't doing it right.

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It's a great place if you like concrete and your favorite color is brown*

Posted by Herman Blume <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Herman+Blume' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 11:43:25, in reply to "Hot take: people who don't like Texas either haven't spent much time there"

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and you're considering a face tattoo*

Posted by Tortillini <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Tortillini' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 12:07:03, in reply to "It's a great place if you like concrete and your favorite color is brown*"

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and you're a fat white man*

Posted by Chilango <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Chilango' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 29, 2025, 12:25:53, in reply to "and you're considering a face tattoo*"

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I lived there for about 4-6 months when I was 18. That was enough for me*

Posted by Taz <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Taz' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 11:19:40, in reply to "Hot take: people who don't like Texas either haven't spent much time there"

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Sometimes you just need to yeet a bobcat *

Being an Illini fan is a goddamn curse.*

it's ok for people to not like a place

Posted by IlliniSax05 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=IlliniSax05' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 11:12:39, in reply to "Hot take: people who don't like Texas either haven't spent much time there"

it doesn't mean they "aren't doing it right," whatever that means

Why do you hate me, Sammich?

MAJOR UPDATE: "Maybe you're not such a bad egg, Lisle-y"
-Sammich, 1/15/2011

My whole point is that (many) people have made generalizations about Texas

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 16:05:54, in reply to "it's ok for people to not like a place"

without actually experiencing it themselves with any level of depth.

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it doesn't mean they "aren't doing it right," whatever that means

I'm fine with that. I've experienced enough TX to know that the place and its people...

...aren't for me.

OTOH, I've experienced ALL of Florida from Jacksonville to Pensacola, from Daytona to Key West, from Boca Raton to Tallahassee, and a ton of towns in-between.

So, I can confidently say fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck ALL that state.

"Speak for yourself in life. And don’t be a follower of people like Tiki because you think it makes you look cool. It really doesn’t."

"I'm thinking about engaging a lawyer."

Whatever you say. More Texas for you.

That whole state can fuck the hell off. It's only saving grace is that it isn't fucking Oklahoma, which is essentially just Texas without any of the upside and a major little brother inferiority complex.

"Speak for yourself in life. And don’t be a follower of people like Tiki because you think it makes you look cool. It really doesn’t."

"I'm thinking about engaging a lawyer."

Hill County is pretty.*

Posted by DiamondDazzle <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=DiamondDazzle' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 10:55:02, in reply to "Hot take: people who don't like Texas either haven't spent much time there"

The heat would melt me*

Posted by reggiedunlop <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=reggiedunlop' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 10:31:16, in reply to "Hot take: people who don't like Texas either haven't spent much time there"

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I've only been to Dallas one time. It was fine but I'd never want to live in that climate.*

Posted by Warrin'_Illini $<iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Warrin\'_Illini' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'>$ on May 28, 2025, 10:23:10, in reply to "Hot take: people who don't like Texas either haven't spent much time there"

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Dallas is my least favorite of the big 3*

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 10:29:50, in reply to "I've only been to Dallas one time. It was fine but I'd never want to live in that climate.*"

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There were A LOT of homeless people. As bad or worse than anything I'd seen in LA or Denver.

Posted by Warrin'_Illini $<iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Warrin\'_Illini' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'>$ on May 28, 2025, 10:36:36, in reply to "Dallas is my least favorite of the big 3*"

It's also much more northern than the other options.

I'm sure they're good places but I'm fine missing out on life in Austin or Houston. San Antonio seems nice.

Kind of feel similar about Florida or Arizona. Fine places to visit during certain times of the year but certainly not year-round for me.

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There's no way that's true, at least the LA part*

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 10:38:19, in reply to "There were A LOT of homeless people. As bad or worse than anything I'd seen in LA or Denver."

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I was shocked. Walked right through downtown at 4 PM on a Friday.

Posted by Warrin'_Illini $<iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Warrin\'_Illini' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'>$ on May 28, 2025, 10:41:56, in reply to "There's no way that's true, at least the LA part*"

Lots of face tattoos.

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I thought they turned all of the homeless people into soylent green*

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 10:47:09, in reply to "I was shocked. Walked right through downtown at 4 PM on a Friday."

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Lots of face tattoos.

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I suppose if you can afford a face tattoo, you may not be homeless. But it was pretty eye opening.

Posted by Warrin'_Illini $<iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Warrin\'_Illini' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'>$ on May 28, 2025, 10:50:53, in reply to "I thought they turned all of the homeless people into soylent green*"

I lived in Denver and LA for 3 years each, so was maybe more comfortable with my surroundings. LA is so huge and sprawling, there were parts of the city that I never visited.

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You could have gotten the face tattoo before you ran out of money*

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 11:04:24, in reply to "I suppose if you can afford a face tattoo, you may not be homeless. But it was pretty eye opening."

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I lived in Denver and LA for 3 years each, so was maybe more comfortable with my surroundings. LA is so huge and sprawling, there were parts of the city that I never visited.

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Lots of face tattoos.

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I've spent a lot of time there and even lived in Austin. I don't hate it there but not a top

Posted by ATL <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ATL' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 10:23:01, in reply to "Hot take: people who don't like Texas either haven't spent much time there"

10 state for me to live in though.

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“We are old and tired and just want to be taken care of.” - Republican voter, Dec. 2024.

It would probably crack my top 5, mainly for Austin*

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 10:30:21, in reply to "I've spent a lot of time there and even lived in Austin. I don't hate it there but not a top"

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10 state for me to live in though.

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I feel like you're judging Texas on 75% the things you like about Austin and 25% the things...

Posted by haighter <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=haighter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 11:27:11, in reply to "It would probably crack my top 5, mainly for Austin*"

...you like about Houston.

Most of the people I know from Texas DESPISE Austin and sorta kinda are ambivalent at best about Houston.

Maybe I'm entirely wrong, but I feel like your generalization about Texas is mis-calibrated.

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10 state for me to live in though.

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You're not wrong that my love of Texas is based on breakfast tacos, outdoor beer halls,

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 11:31:18, in reply to "I feel like you're judging Texas on 75% the things you like about Austin and 25% the things..."

and Friday Night Lights. But I've spent a lot of time there and I really enjoy the vibe.

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10 state for me to live in though.

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Austin is not nearly the fun place it was 20 years ago. The whole city

Posted by longsnapper <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=longsnapper' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 11:31:10, in reply to "I feel like you're judging Texas on 75% the things you like about Austin and 25% the things..."

Has adopted the "my private equity firm gave us branded Carhartt vests as gifts" energy.

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10 state for me to live in though.

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Lots of puns, no real answers

correct. It was awesome in the 1990s. Not so much the last few times I've been.*

Posted by ATL <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ATL' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 11:41:33, in reply to "Austin is not nearly the fun place it was 20 years ago. The whole city"

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Has adopted the "my private equity firm gave us branded Carhartt vests as gifts" energy.

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10 state for me to live in though.

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“We are old and tired and just want to be taken care of.” - Republican voter, Dec. 2024.

I don’t like Texas because I am raising a daughter*

Posted by IlliniJuice07 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=IlliniJuice07' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 10:22:48, in reply to "Hot take: people who don't like Texas either haven't spent much time there"

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I can't defend their politics, but I'm telling you if you live in one of the big 4 cities

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 10:29:36, in reply to "I don’t like Texas because I am raising a daughter*"

your life is no different than any blue state existence (unless you need an abortion, so try to avoid that).

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Believe that to be mostly true. More meatheads and Austin proselytizers in Musk mold. But the heat.*

Posted by cpsteine <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=cpsteine' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 10:45:21, in reply to "I can't defend their politics, but I'm telling you if you live in one of the big 4 cities"

I can't stand being hot, but I think you just get used to it*

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 10:47:37, in reply to "Believe that to be mostly true. More meatheads and Austin proselytizers in Musk mold. But the heat.*"

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NYC, Chicago, D.C., Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Denver*

Posted by bbonb <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=bbonb' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 27, 2025, 18:26:03, in reply to "Moving sidejack...and I'm probably gonna butcher this..."

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All kidding aside, I think Philly is my favorite place I have ever lived

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 27, 2025, 18:29:10, in reply to "NYC, Chicago, D.C., Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Denver*"

and that includes 20 years now in Seattle.

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any city that wraps batteries in snow balls is a trash city*

Posted by bbonb <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=bbonb' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 27, 2025, 18:32:41, in reply to "All kidding aside, I think Philly is my favorite place I have ever lived"

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and that includes 20 years now in Seattle.

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You can find bad actors anywhere*

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 27, 2025, 18:33:46, in reply to "any city that wraps batteries in snow balls is a trash city*"

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and that includes 20 years now in Seattle.

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But mostly in South Philly*

Posted by ATL <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ATL' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 11:09:27, in reply to "You can find bad actors anywhere*"

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and that includes 20 years now in Seattle.

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“We are old and tired and just want to be taken care of.” - Republican voter, Dec. 2024.

Google Young Thug*

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 11:13:36, in reply to "But mostly in South Philly*"

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and that includes 20 years now in Seattle.

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I don’t want to live in the woods. Even a suburban wooded lot.

Posted by DT <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=DT' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 27, 2025, 18:00:00, in reply to "Moving sidejack...and I'm probably gonna butcher this..."

No sun, leaves and crap everywhere, and probably lots of snakes and other critters.

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we back up to Rock Creek Park. Found this guy sleeping on the basement stairs

Posted by memyselfandillini <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=memyselfandillini' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 13:41:16, in reply to "I don’t want to live in the woods. Even a suburban wooded lot."

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Not really a hard pass, but I have realized I do prefer the coasts

Posted by snipes824 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=snipes824' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 27, 2025, 15:58:10, in reply to "Moving sidejack...and I'm probably gonna butcher this..."

We like Denver, but if we ever move it’ll be back to a coast.

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I think I could live just about anywhere and be reasonably content doing so

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 27, 2025, 16:51:05, in reply to "Not really a hard pass, but I have realized I do prefer the coasts"

assuming I could find community in that place. That being said, I do have a strong preference for coastal living.

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We like Denver, but if we ever move it’ll be back to a coast.

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Not really.

Posted by Chilango <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Chilango' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 27, 2025, 15:54:07, in reply to "Moving sidejack...and I'm probably gonna butcher this..."

I've lived and been a lot of places and generally can find good and interesting things anywhere.

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Oklahoma *

Posted by illini thunder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=illini+thunder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 27, 2025, 15:37:02, in reply to "Moving sidejack...and I'm probably gonna butcher this..."

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We lived in OK for 3 years and loved it. I'm never going to move from Philo, but if I did,

Posted by Philo <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Philo' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 28, 2025, 10:16:14, in reply to "Oklahoma *"

Oklahoma would be one of the first places I'd consider.

Only if the wind continues to come sweeping down the plain.

Posted by osklister <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=osklister' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 27, 2025, 18:09:50, in reply to "Oklahoma *"

Any place with an HOA

Posted by timmer <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=timmer' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 27, 2025, 15:32:45, in reply to "Moving sidejack...and I'm probably gonna butcher this..."

Never again.

Also, NYC, Oakland, and any state that has an SEC school.

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(for rent)

California*

Posted by Stu <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Stu' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 27, 2025, 15:29:05, in reply to "Moving sidejack...and I'm probably gonna butcher this..."

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Is there a house on said farm? I'd probably stay in there.

Posted by Warrin'_Illini $<iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Warrin\'_Illini' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'>$ on May 27, 2025, 15:16:31, in reply to "Moving sidejack...and I'm probably gonna butcher this..."

Let the sheep milk the cows.

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Yea...like living in the middle of nowhere seems palatable...

Posted by haighter <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=haighter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 27, 2025, 15:25:18, in reply to "Is there a house on said farm? I'd probably stay in there. "

Though I fear I'd get bored and sick of having to drive every single place I want to be.

But like running some sorta farm where you have animals that aren't pets and raise things that aren't basic gardening just seems like something that city folk romanticize without having any idea how much work that is.

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19th century cities, like third world cities the past 50 years

Posted by DT <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=DT' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 27, 2025, 18:03:30, in reply to "Yea...like living in the middle of nowhere seems palatable..."

…were crime ridden shitholes with terrible life expectancy, horrible Dickensian sweatshop jobs, and appallingly crowded, unhygienic living conditions.

Yet everyone living on farms couldn’t wait for the chance to get the hell off the farm to go eke out a miserable bare sustenance in a city slum tenement.

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I'd love to have a place in Wyoming or Montana. I ain't squeezing any utters, though.*

Posted by Warrin'_Illini $<iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Warrin\'_Illini' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'>$ on May 27, 2025, 15:57:37, in reply to "Yea...like living in the middle of nowhere seems palatable..."

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Let the sheep milk the cows.

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With round American woman?*

Posted by timmer <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=timmer' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 27, 2025, 16:12:00, in reply to "I'd love to have a place in Wyoming or Montana. I ain't squeezing any utters, though.*"

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Let the sheep milk the cows.

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(for rent)

How round are we talking? Milky?*

Posted by Warrin'_Illini $<iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Warrin\'_Illini' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'>$ on May 27, 2025, 16:14:13, in reply to "With round American woman?*"

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There is no question this is true*

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 27, 2025, 15:30:51, in reply to "Yea...like living in the middle of nowhere seems palatable..."

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Let the sheep milk the cows.

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This whole convo started with my daughter playing at a friends house who had chickens...

Posted by haighter <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=haighter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 27, 2025, 17:01:40, in reply to "There is no question this is true*"

...and then coming home and listening to she and my wife talk about how great chickens are and having to explain to them that they're essentially talking about pets and chicken farming is a disgusting dirty business...and chickens are terrible animals.

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Let the sheep milk the cows.

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This is your second subject/object error of the thread.

Posted by complainant <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=complainant' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 27, 2025, 18:35:21, in reply to "This whole convo started with my daughter playing at a friends house who had chickens..."

Who the fuck listens to she?

Suck them bawls. *

Posted by haighter <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=haighter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 27, 2025, 20:27:36, in reply to "This is your second subject/object error of the thread."

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Who the fuck listens to she?

Can we just not do this again?*

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 27, 2025, 15:14:33, in reply to "Moving sidejack...and I'm probably gonna butcher this..."

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Collapse thread is SO CLOSE to this post. *

Posted by haighter <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=haighter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 27, 2025, 15:17:34, in reply to "Can we just not do this again?*"

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