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Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother. Unknown ruby brooch?? Posted by Beth on February 10, 2019, 5:04 pm Can anyone identify the brooch QEQM wore in her hat to the christening of Lord Linley (current Earl of Snowden) in 1961? As HM wore her Cartier ruby clips on her coat, I assume that the hat brooch is also a ruby. I don't think that the brooch on the hat is the ruby and diamond brooch now worn by the Duchess of Cornwall, as I feel that the ruby is larger and the diamond surround an entirely different shape.

Re: Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother. Unknown ruby brooch?? Posted by OmerH on February 11, 2019, 1:11 am, in reply to "Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother. Unknown ruby brooch??" Could this be one of the brooches worn by her on a pearl necklace in the 1930s. Previous Message Can anyone identify the brooch QEQM wore in her hat to the christening of Lord Linley (current Earl of Snowden) in 1961? As HM wore her Cartier ruby clips on her coat, I assume that the hat brooch is also a ruby. I don't think that the brooch on the hat is the ruby and diamond brooch now worn by the Duchess of Cornwall, as I feel that the ruby is larger and the diamond surround an entirely different shape.

Re: Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother. Unknown ruby brooch?? Posted by Franck on February 11, 2019, 5:28 am, in reply to "Re: Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother. Unknown ruby brooch??" I thank you for posting this photo of the ruby and diamond brooch !I have never seen this brooch before ! the ruby is huge ! I do not understand why the Duchess of Cornwall does not wear brooches from QEQM anymore...We have on least 40 different brooches which have not been worn by QEII or the Duchess of Cornwall...since the death of QEQM ! Franck Previous Message Could this be one of the brooches worn by her on a pearl necklace in the 1930s. Previous Message Can anyone identify the brooch QEQM wore in her hat to the christening of Lord Linley (current Earl of Snowden) in 1961? As HM wore her Cartier ruby clips on her coat, I assume that the hat brooch is also a ruby. I don't think that the brooch on the hat is the ruby and diamond brooch now worn by the Duchess of Cornwall, as I feel that the ruby is larger and the diamond surround an entirely different shape.

Re: Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother. Unknown ruby brooch?? Posted by Beth on February 11, 2019, 5:39 am, in reply to "Re: Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother. Unknown ruby brooch??" I too would love to see some of these items worn -- so that we could get a modern photo! Luckily, there are still different items for us to find and discuss. A very interesting suggestion OmerH. It is definitely making me think, but some how I doubt if the brooch in QEQM's hat matches one of the emerald brooches worn on the necklace. The brooches on the necklace have always been worn in conjunction with emeralds, so I am fairly confident they have emeralds. QEQM never seems to have mixed colours in her jewellery (except for the Cartier bracelets) so I think that the hat brooch probably has a ruby -- but I could be very much mistaken. I often am!

Re: Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother. Could it be this one? Posted by Beth on February 12, 2019, 6:22 am, in reply to "Re: Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother. Unknown ruby brooch??" I wonder if the brooch QEQM wore on her hat to the christening of Lord Linley could be the one which she occasionally wore with her ruby tiara and necklace? Detail On HM's sash near her shoulder during the French State visit Detail Does anyone know the provenance of this smaller ruby brooch?

Re: Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother. Could it be this one? Posted by Kongetro on February 12, 2019, 7:53 am, in reply to "Re: Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother. Could it be this one?" I think maybe you are on to something here Beth. However I do not have any information about this ruby brooch. Have it been seen on anybody else at all? Previous Message I wonder if the brooch QEQM wore on her hat to the christening of Lord Linley could be the one which she occasionally wore with her ruby tiara and necklace? Detail On HM's sash near her shoulder during the French State visit Detail Does anyone know the provenance of this smaller ruby brooch? Kongetro To visit my website Regal Events use this link: https://regalevents913271078.wordpress.com/

Re: Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother. Could it be this one? Posted by Beth on February 12, 2019, 9:05 pm, in reply to "Re: Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother. Could it be this one?" Have we seen this brooch on royal ladies before QEQM? I am not at all sure, Kongetro. My response is guided by the fact that, so far, I have not seen a clear photo of the brooch QEQM wore on her hat in 1961. At times I think the brooch on the hat may be the one which QEQM wore during the French State visit. From some angles the brooch (as seen on QEQM during the French state visit) resembles the top section of a brooch depicted in the 1930 painting of Queen Mary by David Jagger. But are we looking at the same brooch? Perhaps we have to take artistic licence into account. Others have suggested that the top of the brooch in the Jagger portrait is the one Twinning speaks about, which was the one created when Queen Mary had rubies substituted for Queen Victoria's opals in 1926-- that is the brooch which QEQM wore on the centre of her bodice during the French State visit. That is quite likely, but the portrait of Queen Mary may also show a different brooch. I don't know. I think that sorting out all the variations of the ruby brooches which were made from Queen Victoria's opal suite and those worn by QEQM would need expert analysis by some one who had access to the jewel inventories of all the queens and their dress books which showed when they wore which particular jewels. One thing is obvious from the photos of QEQM during the French State visit -- there were two brooches which existed, making it possible that Queen Mary may have been depicted in the Jagger portrait with the second brooch as the upper portion of the drop ruby brooch. But was this upper portion the brooch which QEQM wore in her hat in 1961? It is still a mystery to me. Hopefully some of us will find more photos which will help us untangle this mystery.

Re: Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother. Queen Mary Brooch Posted by OmerH on February 12, 2019, 11:19 pm, in reply to "Re: Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother. Could it be this one?" What a nice little mystery you have given us Beth. I agree with others that the brooch on the Queen Mother's shoulder during French state visit is a good candidate for the one worn on her hat. Regarding the brooch worn by Queen Mary could this be the brooch worn by Queen Victoria in this painting by Melville.

Re: Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother. Queen Mary Brooch Posted by Beth on February 13, 2019, 5:52 pm, in reply to "Re: Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother. Queen Mary Brooch" What an incredible memory and eye you have OmerH! Because we have to allow for artistic licence it is possible. I am sure that, given time, some of us will solve this mystery. Previous Message What a nice little mystery you have given us Beth. I agree with others that the brooch on the Queen Mother's shoulder during French state visit is a good candidate for the one worn on her hat. Regarding the brooch worn by Queen Mary could this be the brooch worn by Queen Victoria in this painting by Melville.

Re: Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother. Could it be this one? Posted by Dave on February 12, 2019, 9:48 am, in reply to "Re: Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother. Could it be this one?" Good detective work as usual Beth. Regards, Dave. Previous Message I wonder if the brooch QEQM wore on her hat to the christening of Lord Linley could be the one which she occasionally wore with her ruby tiara and necklace? Detail On HM's sash near her shoulder during the French State visit Detail Does anyone know the provenance of this smaller ruby brooch?

Re: Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother. Another photo Posted by Beth on February 12, 2019, 7:14 pm, in reply to "Re: Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother. Could it be this one?" Today I found another photo of HM wearing the same hat with the brooch -- also 1961. But it really does not give us a much better view of the brooch. Oh for a modern photo!!

Re: Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother. Another photo Posted by Franck on February 12, 2019, 7:56 pm, in reply to "Re: Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother. Another photo " It is indeed the same brooch ! I would like to see QEII wearing this ruby and diamond brooch ! This brooch must cost a lot of money : rubies are so rare ! Best regards, Franck Previous Message Today I found another photo of HM wearing the same hat with the brooch -- also 1961. But it really does not give us a much better view of the brooch. Oh for a modern photo!!

Re: Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother. Could it be this one? Posted by Bryce on February 12, 2019, 8:58 pm, in reply to "Re: Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother. Could it be this one?" If I had to guess ( and that is exactly what it would be) - I think that the single brooch at HM's shoulder looks like it could be an extra link from the necklace.

Re: Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother. Could it be this one? Posted by Ashdean on February 14, 2019, 12:34 am, in reply to "Re: Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother. Could it be this one?" Could it be the ruby brooch (or the upper portion)left to Queen Mary by Countess Sophie de Torby (nee Countess Merenberg) in 1927? Previous Message If I had to guess ( and that is exactly what it would be) - I think that the single brooch at HM's shoulder looks like it could be an extra link from the necklace.

Re: Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother. Could it be this one? Posted by Beth on February 14, 2019, 1:08 pm, in reply to "Re: Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother. Could it be this one?" That is another strong possibility, thank you Ashdean. Has it ever been identified in a photo? Previous Message Could it be the ruby brooch (or the upper portion)left to Queen Mary by Countess Sophie de Torby (nee Countess Merenberg) in 1927? Previous Message

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