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QEQM. Jewels from Mrs Greville - possible Posted by Beth on February 13, 2019, 6:22 pm Again, could posters please name the jewel in the subject heading. Hopefully, that will stop confusion.

Blue saphire clasp Posted by Kasper on February 13, 2019, 9:55 pm, in reply to "QEQM. Jewels from Mrs Greville - possible" I read in one of these wonderfuld boards, that the blue saphire clasp on Princess Dianas pearlnecklace, might come from Mrs. Greville. It was formerly a brooch and a wedding gift to princess Diana from QEQM. She has as far as I know, only worn it after WW2. And not before. Again, could posters please name the jewel in the subject heading. Hopefully, that will stop confusion.

Re: Blue saphire clasp Posted by Beth on February 14, 2019, 1:06 pm, in reply to "Blue saphire clasp" I think it was Andrew U who initially asked if the Diana sapphire was originally a Greville item. See http://members2.boardhost.com/royal-jewels/thread/1509269056.html and please scroll down for Andrew's comment. I later reiterated the suggestion as I think that QEQM wore the brooch to the christening of Prince Richard in 1944. http://mb.boardhost.com/historyroyaljewels/thread/1531705466.html But now I am not so sure that QEQM was wearing the large sapphire in 1944 - but that is another issue.

QEQM's diamond floral earrings Posted by Beth on February 14, 2019, 2:44 pm, in reply to "Re: Blue saphire clasp" I think that the diamond floral earrings worn by Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother may have come from Mrs Greville. My reason for thinking this is that QEQM commenced wearing these in public very shortly after the end of WWII. VE Day was 8 May 1945. As far as I know QEQM was first photographed wearing these earrings on 10 July 1945 when the King and Queen went to the Comedie Francaise. Daily Telegraph 11 July 1945 A photo of the King and Queen leaving the theatre Detail. The details are blurred but, to my eye, the shape is clear. At this time, I very much doubt if the King would have purchased or commissioned an extremely valuable set of earrings. To my mind the use of the triangular shaped diamonds in the stud also indicates a Greville provenance. QEQM wore these again in November 1945. On 6 November 1945 to see the Mikado at St Mary's hospital. Daily Telegraph 7 November 1945 Photo with some of the cast Detail And again for the Command Performance at the Coliseum in the same month Tatler 14 November 1945 Sphere 17 November 1945 Detail From this time on the earrings were a firm favourite, being worn for both day and evening wear.

Re: QEQM's large diamond floral spray brooch Edited Posted by Beth on February 14, 2019, 7:03 pm, in reply to "QEQM's diamond floral earrings" Edit: I was totally mistaken in thinking that any of these brooches worn in the late 1940s might have been the last one (number 6) I now know that brooch was given to QEQM in 1950 see http://mb.boardhost.com/historyroyaljewels/msg/1550203385.html After World War II Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother began to wear a large diamond floral spray brooch. 1. Here worn going to Crathie church 13 September 1952. I strongly suspect that this may be a Greville piece because HM started to wear it (or at least be photographed wearing it) in 1946. The style seems reminiscent of earlier times rather than a modern item such as the sapphire flower brooch, which we know George VI gave to HM before the war. It is a flamboyant yet tasteful piece, something which I associate with Mrs Greville. Of course, I could be very much mistaken. 2. QEQM wearing it on (according to Getty) 12 December 1946. 3. Tatler 31 March 1948 (I am not 100% sure that this is the same brooch. It may be the one depicted at the end of this post.) 4. Sketch 23 June 1948 5. 12 July 1949 QEQM wore it frequently throughout the 1950s but at some stage it was given to Princess Margaret. It was not auctioned so perhaps it remains with the family. It is possible that some of the photos above may show a different floral brooch which HM wore. What do others think? The other brooch which may have been worn when some of the photos were taken. 6. I have wondered if the brooches marked 2, 3 and 4 might not be the one marked 6. If so, my argument that HM began to wear the brooch in 1946 is not valid. What do others think? Edit: Obviously I was wrong on this account!!

Re: QEQM's large diamond floral spray brooch. Maridje's photo Edited Posted by Beth on February 15, 2019, 4:12 am, in reply to "Re: QEQM's large diamond floral spray brooch" Edit: Obviously I was completely wrong. This is not a Greville piece. It is the Ark Royal brooch see http://mb.boardhost.com/historyroyaljewels/msg/1550203385.html Maridje has again treated us to some wonderful photos from her amazing archive. Thank you so much Maridje! These photos show QEQM wearing the second diamond floral brooch, which she had been wearing since at least 1948 and perhaps 1946. I think that it, along with the larger diamond floral brooch, probably came from Mrs Greville. QEQM at the launching of the Ark Royal 2 June 1981 At the re-dedication of the Ark Royal, 22 November 2001. Duchess of Cornwall in Riyadh 25 March 2006

Re: QEQM's large diamond floral spray brooch Posted by Bryce on February 15, 2019, 6:42 am, in reply to "Re: QEQM's large diamond floral spray brooch" When I saw the large floral spray brooch in your fist picture (13Sep1952) and again in #5 (12Jul1949) the first thing that popped into my mind was the "brooch" the current Queen wore to a cocktail party aboard HMS Illustrious in Turkey. I put brooch in quotes because many feel that this is not a brooch but applique. I am wondering if the top portion of QEQM's brooch matches?? It is hard to tell but the basic shape seems to be the same with the central flower surrounded by trailing leaves Here is a link to the item I mean: https://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/news-photo/queen-elizabeth-ll-attends-a-cocktail-party-on-board-hms-news-photo/83245714

Re: QEQM's large diamond floral spray brooch.Comparisons Posted by Beth on February 15, 2019, 8:09 am, in reply to "Re: QEQM's large diamond floral spray brooch" I can see what you mean Bryce. Like you I feel that QEII was wearing a brooch. Why would anyone do applique work involving metal over an already embroidered gown? It is a shame that we do not have a sharper image. Detail I always believed that QEQM gave her large floral brooch to Princess Margaret. Even when I turned the brooch, I do not feel that it is the same brooch worn by all three ladies, but there is definitely a similarity. Some comparisons. Princess Margaret is wearing the pink dress. Do others also think that QEQM and Princess Margaret are wearing the same brooch? All three ladies, QEII, QEQM and Princess Margaret

Re: QEQM's large diamond floral spray brooch.Comparisons Posted by mauriz on February 15, 2019, 8:39 am, in reply to "Re: QEQM's large diamond floral spray brooch.Comparisons" QEQM and Princess Margaret are definitely wearing the same brooch, captured from a different angle: the two diamonds just below the blossom, one large, the other small, the distinct shape of the leaves on either side of the diamonds, the curved stem. But I don't think it's the same piece on QEII's shoulder.

Re: QEQM's large diamond floral spray brooch.Comparisons Posted by Bryce on February 16, 2019, 4:04 am, in reply to "Re: QEQM's large diamond floral spray brooch.Comparisons" Beth - right again! It makes sense that QEQM would give quite a good selection of jewels to Pns Margaret as Lilibet would get a lot of jewels upon her assension. I should have looked to Margaret first. I think these match up in deed. Cheers! Bryce

Re: QEQM's diamond floral earrings Posted by Kongetro on February 15, 2019, 4:01 am, in reply to "QEQM's diamond floral earrings" Very interesting. I seem to recall that I have read somewhere that these might have been a Silver Wedding gift from her husband. Unfortunately I am not able to find out where I read it, so could it just be my imagination? I would not be surprised. But if she wore these back in 1945 as your photos indicate then this clearly cannot be a Silver Wedding gift. Consequently a more plausible option could then be a legacy from Mrs Greville. Kongetro To visit my website Regal Events use this link: https://regalevents913271078.wordpress.com/

Re: QEQM's diamond floral earrings. Edited Posted by Beth on February 15, 2019, 4:28 am, in reply to "Re: QEQM's diamond floral earrings" I know that it was popularly believed that the earrings were a silver wedding gift. I'll have to check to see if Leslie Field said that. (see edit below) I think the idea that the earrings (along with the emerald palm tree brooch and large emerald bracelet) were a silver wedding gift arose because HM was photographed wearing them in a series of photos released especially for the silver wedding celebrations. Edit: All that Leslie Field says is that George VI gave QEQM these earrings.

Re: QEQM's diamond thistle brooch Posted by Beth on February 15, 2019, 5:02 am, in reply to "Re: QEQM's diamond floral earrings. Edited" One of the brooches which QEQM frequently wore on her hat and on her dress during the later years of WWII was a large diamond thistle brooch. The earliest photos I have of HM with this brooch are from March 1943. It was a brooch which the press often mentioned during the war era. I have previously stated that I think it is a Greville piece. See http://mb.boardhost.com/historyroyaljewels/msg/1538685502.html We saw it worn by the Duchess of Cornwall in New Zealand.

Re: QEQM's diamond circle brooch Posted by Beth on February 15, 2019, 6:27 am, in reply to "Re: QEQM's diamond thistle brooch" Because this impressive diamond brooch first appeared in early 1944, I suspect that it was one of Mrs Greville's jewels. I have only seen images of QEQM wearing it on two occasions so far. I initially posted about this in December 2018 http://mb.boardhost.com/historyroyaljewels/thread/1544266012.html

Re: QEQM's Multiple Pearl Necklaces Posted by Dave on February 16, 2019, 1:57 am, in reply to "Re: QEQM's diamond circle brooch " I am always in awe at the late QM's pearl necklaces. I am sure that these are quite expensive. But sadly they do not ever get enough coverage such as like the Spanish royal family pearls do. Maybe we can do a thread on the many pearl necklaces and maybe brooches in the many pictures seen over the years. Regards, Dave. Previous Message Because this impressive diamond brooch first appeared in early 1944, I suspect that it was one of Mrs Greville's jewels. I have only seen images of QEQM wearing it on two occasions so far. I initially posted about this in December 2018 http://mb.boardhost.com/historyroyaljewels/thread/1544266012.html

Re: QEQM's Multiple Pearl Necklaces Posted by Beth on February 16, 2019, 5:17 am, in reply to "Re: QEQM's Multiple Pearl Necklaces" We know that Mrs Greville was famous for her pearls. What we don't know for sure is which of QEQM's many pearl necklaces came from Mrs Greville. In a way, identifying pearls is a nightmare as it is usually only possible to identify them by size, clasp and gaps between strands. Over the years Baxter and Arthur of RJWMB have done considerable work to sort out the various strands.

Duchess of Cornwall's drop pear pearl earrings Posted by Beth on February 16, 2019, 5:29 am, in reply to "Re: QEQM's Multiple Pearl Necklaces" I suspect that the drop pear pearl earrings recently worn by the Duchess of Cornwall may have belonged initially to Mrs Greville. A number of posters pooled ideas and information in this thread from December 2018 http://mb.boardhost.com/historyroyaljewels/thread/1543955501.html

Duchess of Cambridge's diamond earrings Posted by Beth on February 16, 2019, 5:36 am, in reply to "Duchess of Cornwall's drop pear pearl earrings" I have long suspected that the chandelier earrings worn by the Duchess of Cambridge may have been part of Mrs Greville's collection. All that we know officially is that these earrings have been lent to the Duchess by QEII.

Re: QEQM's diamond floral earrings Posted by Thomas on February 17, 2019, 2:07 am, in reply to "QEQM's diamond floral earrings" Many thanks Beth! As usual your ability to navigate through old files amazes me. Like you I have always suspected that the earrings came from the Greville Bequest, and your research would tend to confirm that hypothesis.

Princess Margaret's Fleur de lys brooch Posted by Beth on February 17, 2019, 9:51 am, in reply to "Re: QEQM's diamond floral earrings" The fleur de lys brooch worn by Princess Margaret is a very flamboyant item. I have often wondered if it came from Mrs Greville, but of course have no information to support that.

QEQM's elaborate ruby bow brooch Posted by Beth on February 17, 2019, 3:10 pm, in reply to "Princess Margaret's Fleur de lys brooch" I very strongly suspect that the elaborate ruby bow brooch worn by QEQM, and later by Princess Margaret, might have been part of Mrs Greville's jewels. My reason for thinking this is based on a report that Mrs Greville wore a large ruby bow on the front of her dress, and the fact that it is a flamboyant piece. This is another large item of jewellery which appeared after the end of WWII, and may have been worn by QEQM to the Opening of Parliament in 1948 along with the Greville diamond bow brooch. QEQM at Covent Garden during the French State visit The brooch on display at an exhibition.

Re: QEQM's emerald palm tree brooch Posted by Beth on February 19, 2019, 7:38 am, in reply to "QEQM's elaborate ruby bow brooch" The earliest photos I have of QEQM wearing this brooch (and the accompanying bracelet which Franck says came from Mrs Greville) are from the South African tour in 1947. I strong suspect that the brooch was part of the inheritance from Mrs Greville. The photos from the South African tour prove that these jewels were not silver wedding anniversary gifts from King George VI as some had claimed. The brooch and bracelet were worn by QEQM so frequently and even for significant family events as to leave no doubt that they were personal favourites of HM. Silver wedding series of photos. Christening Princess Anne

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