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Forgotten pieces Posted by Duke of Polignac on July 25, 2019, 9:07 am I wanted to start a thread about forgotten pieces of jewelry that belongs to the Spanish, Italian, British, Russian, French, Belgian, Austrian and German nobility and some of the formal royals who gets unnoticed. We only tend now to get to see this jewels on the heads of brides at weeding and when this jewels hit the auctions market. I will give some examples: A diamond tiara belonging to the Spanish Suarez family. Tiara of the Counts of Floridablanca. Countess Nicoletta Arrivabene tiara, earrings, and necklace. Baroness Bruntisfield tiara and necklaces at the coronation. Lady Bagot. Princess Paula of Fürstenberg tiara. The Hon, Diana Astor tiara. Princess Alexandra Obolensky stars tiara. The Sayn-Wittgenstein-Sayn emerald tiara. The Waldeck-Pyrmont floral tiara and necklace. Infanta Eulalia's Ruby Star Tiara. The Martinez de Irujo tiara. Princess Tessa of Bavaria emerald tiara an earrings. and many more.....

Re: Forgotten pieces Posted by Stefan on July 25, 2019, 7:03 pm, in reply to "Forgotten pieces" Don't think the tiara worn by Princess Filippa zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Sayn for her Wedding is an emerald tiara. To me it looks more like myrtle (or somethign similar) was placed behind the tiara See this pic: https://www.alamy.de/filippa-prinzessin-zu-sayn-wittgenstein-am-arm-ihres-vaters-alexander-prinz-zu-sayn-wittgenstein-sayn-eine-ihrer-hochzeit-mit-graf-vittorio-mazzeti-dalbertis-in-sayn-deutschland-2001-filippa-prinzessin-von-sayn-wittgenstein-mit-ihrem-vater-alexander-prinz-von-sayn-sayn-wittgebstein-am-tag-der-hochzeit-mit-graf-vittorio-mazzeti-dalbertis-in-sayn-deutschland-2001-image216875540.html Previous Message I wanted to start a thread about forgotten pieces of jewelry that belongs to the Spanish, Italian, British, Russian, French, Belgian, Austrian and German nobility and some of the formal royals who gets unnoticed. We only tend now to get to see this jewels on the heads of brides at weeding and when this jewels hit the auctions market. I will give some examples: A diamond tiara belonging to the Spanish Suarez family. Tiara of the Counts of Floridablanca. Countess Nicoletta Arrivabene tiara, earrings, and necklace. Baroness Bruntisfield tiara and necklaces at the coronation. Lady Bagot. Princess Paula of Fürstenberg tiara. The Hon, Diana Astor tiara. Princess Alexandra Obolensky stars tiara. The Sayn-Wittgenstein-Sayn emerald tiara. The Waldeck-Pyrmont floral tiara and necklace. Infanta Eulalia's Ruby Star Tiara. The Martinez de Irujo tiara. Princess Tessa of Bavaria emerald tiara an earrings. and many more.....

Re: Forgotten pieces Posted by Maria Olivia on July 25, 2019, 7:37 pm, in reply to "Re: Forgotten pieces" The Furstenberg tiara was worn by Mathilde Borromeo , yet divorced. Previous Message Don't think the tiara worn by Princess Filippa zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Sayn for her Wedding is an emerald tiara. To me it looks more like myrtle (or somethign similar) was placed behind the tiara See this pic: https://www.alamy.de/filippa-prinzessin-zu-sayn-wittgenstein-am-arm-ihres-vaters-alexander-prinz-zu-sayn-wittgenstein-sayn-eine-ihrer-hochzeit-mit-graf-vittorio-mazzeti-dalbertis-in-sayn-deutschland-2001-filippa-prinzessin-von-sayn-wittgenstein-mit-ihrem-vater-alexander-prinz-von-sayn-sayn-wittgebstein-am-tag-der-hochzeit-mit-graf-vittorio-mazzeti-dalbertis-in-sayn-deutschland-2001-image216875540.html Previous Message I wanted to start a thread about forgotten pieces of jewelry that belongs to the Spanish, Italian, British, Russian, French, Belgian, Austrian and German nobility and some of the formal royals who gets unnoticed. We only tend now to get to see this jewels on the heads of brides at weeding and when this jewels hit the auctions market. I will give some examples: A diamond tiara belonging to the Spanish Suarez family. Tiara of the Counts of Floridablanca. Countess Nicoletta Arrivabene tiara, earrings, and necklace. Baroness Bruntisfield tiara and necklaces at the coronation. Lady Bagot. Princess Paula of Fürstenberg tiara. The Hon, Diana Astor tiara. Princess Alexandra Obolensky stars tiara. The Sayn-Wittgenstein-Sayn emerald tiara. The Waldeck-Pyrmont floral tiara and necklace. Infanta Eulalia's Ruby Star Tiara. The Martinez de Irujo tiara. Princess Tessa of Bavaria emerald tiara an earrings. and many more.....

Re: Forgotten pieces Posted by Stefan on July 25, 2019, 7:50 pm, in reply to "Re: Forgotten pieces" That was anotehr Fürstenerg tiara. https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_NncBalH9zE/Tj4pK9aCePI/AAAAAAAAPdg/I4zvJbdp44M/s700/MatildeBorromeo.jpg This one was last seen worn by the then Hereditary Princess Milana at the pre-Wedding Ball of Duke Friedrich of Württemberg and Princess Marie zu Weid in 1993. Previous Message The Furstenberg tiara was worn by Mathilde Borromeo , yet divorced. Previous Message Don't think the tiara worn by Princess Filippa zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Sayn for her Wedding is an emerald tiara. To me it looks more like myrtle (or somethign similar) was placed behind the tiara See this pic: https://www.alamy.de/filippa-prinzessin-zu-sayn-wittgenstein-am-arm-ihres-vaters-alexander-prinz-zu-sayn-wittgenstein-sayn-eine-ihrer-hochzeit-mit-graf-vittorio-mazzeti-dalbertis-in-sayn-deutschland-2001-filippa-prinzessin-von-sayn-wittgenstein-mit-ihrem-vater-alexander-prinz-von-sayn-sayn-wittgebstein-am-tag-der-hochzeit-mit-graf-vittorio-mazzeti-dalbertis-in-sayn-deutschland-2001-image216875540.html Previous Message I wanted to start a thread about forgotten pieces of jewelry that belongs to the Spanish, Italian, British, Russian, French, Belgian, Austrian and German nobility and some of the formal royals who gets unnoticed. We only tend now to get to see this jewels on the heads of brides at weeding and when this jewels hit the auctions market. I will give some examples: A diamond tiara belonging to the Spanish Suarez family. Tiara of the Counts of Floridablanca. Countess Nicoletta Arrivabene tiara, earrings, and necklace. Baroness Bruntisfield tiara and necklaces at the coronation. Lady Bagot. Princess Paula of Fürstenberg tiara. The Hon, Diana Astor tiara. Princess Alexandra Obolensky stars tiara. The Sayn-Wittgenstein-Sayn emerald tiara. The Waldeck-Pyrmont floral tiara and necklace. Infanta Eulalia's Ruby Star Tiara. The Martinez de Irujo tiara. Princess Tessa of Bavaria emerald tiara an earrings. and many more.....

Re: Forgotten pieces Posted by Beth on July 28, 2019, 6:01 am, in reply to "Re: Forgotten pieces" What an interesting collection of jewels! Thank you Duke of Polignac for introducing me to these tiaras. They are completely new to me. I would love to see a modern photo of the tiara worn by Lady Bruntisfield; the pearls look superb. Apologies for not being able to post a reply earlier.

Re: Forgotten pieces Posted by Dave on July 28, 2019, 8:50 pm, in reply to "Forgotten pieces" Thank you The Duke of Polignac. I have a feeling where the English side of things are concerned, we may see lots of forgotten or rarely seen tiaras reappear at the next coronation even if they are on loan. Regards, Dave. Previous Message I wanted to start a thread about forgotten pieces of jewelry that belongs to the Spanish, Italian, British, Russian, French, Belgian, Austrian and German nobility and some of the formal royals who gets unnoticed. We only tend now to get to see this jewels on the heads of brides at weeding and when this jewels hit the auctions market. I will give some examples: A diamond tiara belonging to the Spanish Suarez family. Tiara of the Counts of Floridablanca. Countess Nicoletta Arrivabene tiara, earrings, and necklace. Baroness Bruntisfield tiara and necklaces at the coronation. Lady Bagot. Princess Paula of Fürstenberg tiara. The Hon, Diana Astor tiara. Princess Alexandra Obolensky stars tiara. The Sayn-Wittgenstein-Sayn emerald tiara. The Waldeck-Pyrmont floral tiara and necklace. Infanta Eulalia's Ruby Star Tiara. The Martinez de Irujo tiara. Princess Tessa of Bavaria emerald tiara an earrings. and many more.....

Re: Forgotten pieces Posted by JR76 on July 29, 2019, 4:56 pm, in reply to "Re: Forgotten pieces" I agree. I believe that we'll see at least the Royal dukes with their wives, their heirs with their wives, the princes//ess with their spouses and the other adult descendants of King George VI attend the coronation meaning that some of them may need to either borrow from outside sources, are inventive with necklaces and brooches or hopefully and not unlikely get to loan something from the BP vaults if needed. I'd say that the Gloucesters', The Michael of Kents', The Princess Annes', the Linleys' and Chattos' and the Wessex' are set with their own tiaras and other pieces of jewellery while those who already have something one loan will either stick to that, or in the case of Catherine and Meghan, get some "upgrades". Previous Message Thank you The Duke of Polignac. I have a feeling where the English side of things are concerned, we may see lots of forgotten or rarely seen tiaras reappear at the next coronation even if they are on loan. Regards, Dave. Previous Message I wanted to start a thread about forgotten pieces of jewelry that belongs to the Spanish, Italian, British, Russian, French, Belgian, Austrian and German nobility and some of the formal royals who gets unnoticed. We only tend now to get to see this jewels on the heads of brides at weeding and when this jewels hit the auctions market. I will give some examples: A diamond tiara belonging to the Spanish Suarez family. Tiara of the Counts of Floridablanca. Countess Nicoletta Arrivabene tiara, earrings, and necklace. Baroness Bruntisfield tiara and necklaces at the coronation. Lady Bagot. Princess Paula of Fürstenberg tiara. The Hon, Diana Astor tiara. Princess Alexandra Obolensky stars tiara. The Sayn-Wittgenstein-Sayn emerald tiara. The Waldeck-Pyrmont floral tiara and necklace. Infanta Eulalia's Ruby Star Tiara. The Martinez de Irujo tiara. Princess Tessa of Bavaria emerald tiara an earrings. and many more.....

Re: Forgotten pieces. Diana Astor's tiara Posted by Beth on July 29, 2019, 8:26 pm, in reply to "Re: Forgotten pieces" I assumed that the tiara worn by Diana Astor for her marriage was an Astor tiara. (I confess I initially thought that Astor was her maiden name!) The tiara was an heirloom in her family. She was a daughter of George Drummond, head of Drummonds bank, a significant private bank. One newspaper noted that Diana Drummond was a friend of Princess Margaret. For whatever reason, Princess Margaret didn't attend the wedding; Princess Alice, Countess of Athlone did. Given the wealth of the Drummond family I suspect that this tiara is still with the family.

Re: Forgotten pieces. Lady Bagot's tiara Posted by Beth on July 29, 2019, 8:43 pm, in reply to "Re: Forgotten pieces. Diana Astor's tiara" The Bagots are proving very interesting to research. I still haven't worked out if this tiara still exists, whether it is with the adopted daughter of Nancy, Lady Bagot who was photographed at the 1953 Coronation, if it went to Lord Bagot's niece, or eventually to his cousin who inherited the title. Nancy, Lady Bagot wore it several times in the 1950s. So far I haven't found any photos of her wearing it in the 1960s. It is a mystery which has yet to be unraveled; if that is possible. Some more photos from 1953 When she (as a widow) remarried in 1965 the press reports all stated that she wore a diamond tiara; however, I cannot see any in the photos I have found (all are very fuzzy). Photo of Nancy, Lady Bagot at her second wedding, This marriage was short lived and she always seems to be referred to as Nancy, Lady Bagot.

Re: Forgotten pieces - Auction tiaras Posted by kat max on August 2, 2019, 9:12 pm, in reply to "Re: Forgotten pieces" A while ago I found this old 1931 press photo on eBay. The description was that the tiaras were for auction and came from the Bavarian crown jewels. I have no idea if anyone here has seen them before.

Re: Forgotten pieces - Auction tiaras Posted by Beth on August 3, 2019, 9:50 am, in reply to "Re: Forgotten pieces - Auction tiaras" An amazing find Kat Max! This tiara is new to me and so I started hunting. Rather stupidly, I didn't initially read all the information on the reverse and took the date from the stamp. Of course nothing came up in the media in 1932. A more careful look at the back of the photo revealed all. The auction was held in London on 21 December 1932. For the most part the media concentrated on the most valuable and famous item: the Wittelsbach Blue Diamond, which failed to reach anywhere near the reserve price and was passed in. Vincent Meylan has a superb photo and more information in Christie's pp 316-17. The Wittelsbach Blue alongside another jewel which was sold. The Wittelsbach is on the right. The tiara. One description of the tiara Some history, makers and price realised. According to this news report there were 36 briolettes in the tiara. I would love to know what happened to this tiara.

Re: Forgotten pieces - Eglantine Tiara Posted by The Royal Watcher on August 3, 2019, 1:38 pm, in reply to "Re: Forgotten pieces - Auction tiaras" That's Queen Caroline's Eglantine Tiara, HERE, from 1832, which belonged to the Wittelsbacher Ausgleichsfonds when it was sold at auction 1931 but the bottom portion acquired back by 1957, when it was worn by Princess Gabriele of Bavaria ahead of her Wedding to the Prince of Waldburg-Zeil, and is now worn by Princess Elisabeth, Duchess in Bavaria (née Countess Elisabeth Douglas), who has worn the piece for the grandest events including the Wedding Ball of her eldest daughter, Duchess Sophie, and Hereditar and the Wedding Ball of Duke Philipp of Württemberg and Duchess Marie-Caroline.

Re: Forgotten pieces - Eglantine Tiara Posted by Maria Olivia on August 4, 2019, 11:05 pm, in reply to "Re: Forgotten pieces - Eglantine Tiara" In my Rosvall , Royalty after the World , page 61 there is a picture of Duke Albrecht , Duchesss Marita and their two Sons Franz and Max. Duchess Marita wears the Eglantine tiara and later Duchess Max her daugher in law. As Duke Franz is Bachelor ,Duke Max has no Heir , I don't know who will inhertit the tiara ? Previous Message That's Queen Caroline's Eglantine Tiara, HERE , from 1832, which belonged to the Wittelsbacher Ausgleichsfonds when it was sold at auction 1931 but the bottom portion acquired back by 1957, when it was worn by Princess Gabriele of Bavaria ahead of her Wedding to the Prince of Waldburg-Zeil, and is now worn by Princess Elisabeth, Duchess in Bavaria (née Countess Elisabeth Douglas), who has worn the piece for the grandest events including the  Wedding Ball of her eldest daughter, Duchess Sophie, and Hereditar  and the Wedding Ball of Duke Philipp of Württemberg and Duchess Marie-Caroline .

Re: Forgotten pieces - Eglantine Tiara Posted by Beth on August 5, 2019, 8:20 am, in reply to "Re: Forgotten pieces - Eglantine Tiara" Many thanks The Royal Watcher. That is a very interesting development.

Re: Forgotten pieces - Auction tiaras Posted by kat max on August 3, 2019, 3:46 pm, in reply to "Re: Forgotten pieces - Auction tiaras" Some wonderful research done there Beth. In the 1920s-30s it looks like these sales of big "bling" jewels were a social outing for women who got get to them. Similar scenes of woman crowding the sale room to get a glimpse of former royal jewels were reported on in the sale of the Russian Crown Jewels in 1927.

Re: Forgotten pieces - Auction tiaras Posted by Dave on August 3, 2019, 8:58 pm, in reply to "Re: Forgotten pieces - Auction tiaras" Thanks Beth for this information. I'm just thinking if any of the 9 or so great emeralds from this sale was sourced to construct the massive central element of the Countess of Pembroke's tiara and her necklace and other noticeably large corsages? Seeing that the mysterious tiara, necklace and corsages were presumably made in the early 30's around the same time as the auctions were held. Regards, Dave. Previous Message An amazing find Kat Max! This tiara is new to me and so I started hunting. Rather stupidly, I didn't initially read all the information on the reverse and took the date from the stamp. Of course nothing came up in the media in 1932. A more careful look at the back of the photo revealed all. The auction was held in London on 21 December 1932. For the most part the media concentrated on the most valuable and famous item: the Wittelsbach Blue Diamond, which failed to reach anywhere near the reserve price and was passed in. Vincent Meylan has a superb photo and more information in Christie's pp 316-17. The Wittelsbach Blue alongside another jewel which was sold. The Wittelsbach is on the right. The tiara. One description of the tiara Some history, makers and price realised. According to this news report there were 36 briolettes in the tiara. I would love to know what happened to this tiara.

Re: Forgotten pieces - Auction tiaras Posted by Beth on August 5, 2019, 9:45 am, in reply to "Re: Forgotten pieces - Auction tiaras" I haven't seen any photos of the emeralds, Dave. There was, however, a description of 5 of the emeralds. But what is the shape of the central stone in the Pembroke tiara? Every photo I have seen suggests a different shape to me. And is the stone an emerald? It also seems to me that none of the Bavarian stones, except for the one described as "a cabochon emerald drop", is large enough to be the stone in the Permbroke tiara.

Re: Forgotten pieces - Auction tiaras Posted by Dave on August 5, 2019, 10:25 am, in reply to "Re: Forgotten pieces - Auction tiaras" Thanks for your reply Beth. I was thinking the same thing that the stones mentioned may not be as big as the central stone in the Pembroke tiara, but that stone is somehow shaped like it could be oval/ egg shaped. Regards, Dave. Previous Message I haven't seen any photos of the emeralds, Dave. There was, however, a description of 5 of the emeralds. But what is the shape of the central stone in the Pembroke tiara? Every photo I have seen suggests a different shape to me. And is the stone an emerald? It also seems to me that none of the Bavarian stones, except for the one described as "a cabochon emerald drop", is large enough to be the stone in the Permbroke tiara.

Re: Forgotten pieces - Auction tiaras Posted by Myrto K on July 2, 2021, 3:11 am, in reply to "Re: Forgotten pieces - Auction tiaras" Hi there ! This tiara belonged to queen Amalia of Greece. At least the top part with the diamond roses. You can see her wearing it at her wedding portrait, in 1836, by Joseph Karl Stieler. I mean, at least that's what i have detected. I can't tell you how excited I am that I found out it excisted till 1932 ! Does anyone know its fate ? It means a lot to me, since I love our first royal couple.

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