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Princess Alexandra. Another turquoise brooch Posted by Beth on December 13, 2020, 5:27 pm When Princess Alexandra initially began official royal duties on behalf of the Queen, she wore a number of jewels which have not been seen in later years. One is an unidentified turquoise brooch. In 1959 for advance publicity for a tour of South America to be undertaken by Princess Marina and Princess Alexandra, Beaton took a series of photographs. This is the brooch I am referring to in the heading. Detail of the brooch Most news outlets did not give details of the brooch, but the Belfast Telegraph did.

Re: Princess Alexandra. Another turquoise brooch Posted by Dave on December 14, 2020, 8:22 am, in reply to "Princess Alexandra. Another turquoise brooch" As PA is very close to her cousin the Queen, she could have received several gifts from her or maybe just bought some nice pieces for herself over time. Regards, Dave. Previous Message When Princess Alexandra initially began official royal duties on behalf of the Queen, she wore a number of jewels which have not been seen in later years. One is an unidentified turquoise brooch. In 1959 for advance publicity for a tour of South America to be undertaken by Princess Marina and Princess Alexandra, Beaton took a series of photographs. This is the brooch I am referring to in the heading. Detail of the brooch Most news outlets did not give details of the brooch, but the Belfast Telegraph did.

Re: Princess Alexandra. Another turquoise brooch Posted by Maridje on December 15, 2020, 12:06 am, in reply to "Re: Princess Alexandra. Another turquoise brooch" In color Detail Maridje

Re: Princess Alexandra. Another turquoise brooch Posted by Beth on December 15, 2020, 9:45 am, in reply to "Re: Princess Alexandra. Another turquoise brooch" Fabulous! Thank you Maridje! The brooch looks much more interesting in colour. Previous Message In color Detail

More of a general Princess Alexandra jewellery question Posted by Janet on December 15, 2020, 12:35 am, in reply to "Princess Alexandra. Another turquoise brooch" I know both Queen Elizabeth II and Princess Margaret received significant 18th birthday presents from Queen Mary. Queen Mary died when Princess Alexandra was just 16, do we know if Queen Mary left something specifically to her youngest granddaughter in her will?

Re: More of a general Princess Alexandra jewellery question Posted by Beth on December 15, 2020, 10:32 am, in reply to "More of a general Princess Alexandra jewellery question" Wouldn't it be illuminating if the palace officials would authorise a publication detailing who got various pieces of Queen Mary's jewellery. Sadly, I know that is not going to happen. From the little we know it is possible that Princess Alexandra received perhaps the following. 1. The diamond necklace with the pear shaped pearls which she wore very frequently as a young woman. I have often wondered if the necklace came from Queen Mary. The photo I have of Queen Mary wearing what looks like the same necklace is blurry, so it is difficult to be sure if it is the same. Queen Mary in 1948 Princess Alexandra 2. The diamond brooch which originally belonged to Queen Mary. On her sash in 1968 Below is a link to a 1956 photo taken before her 20th birthday when Princess Alexandra was wearing the diamond necklace with the pearl drops. https://outlet.historicimages.com/products/rsb40321

Re: More of a general Princess Alexandra jewellery question Posted by Andrew U on December 15, 2020, 11:47 am, in reply to "Re: More of a general Princess Alexandra jewellery question" What tiara is Queen Mary wearing in this photo? Previous Message Wouldn't it be illuminating if the palace officials would authorise a publication detailing who got various pieces of Queen Mary's jewellery. Sadly, I know that is not going to happen. From the little we know it is possible that Princess Alexandra received perhaps the following. 1. The diamond necklace with the pear shaped pearls which she wore very frequently as a young woman. I have often wondered if the necklace came from Queen Mary. The photo I have of Queen Mary wearing what looks like the same necklace is blurry, so it is difficult to be sure if it is the same. Queen Mary in 1948 Princess Alexandra 2. The diamond brooch which originally belonged to Queen Mary. On her sash in 1968 Below is a link to a 1956 photo taken before her 20th birthday when Princess Alexandra was wearing the diamond necklace with the pearl drops. https://outlet.historicimages.com/products/rsb40321

Re: More of a general Princess Alexandra jewellery question Posted by Beth on December 15, 2020, 3:18 pm, in reply to "Re: More of a general Princess Alexandra jewellery question" I suspect that it is the Iveagh tiara, which seems to look different in many photos. What do others think? Another copy of the same photo from a different newspaper.

Re: More of a general Princess Alexandra jewellery question Posted by MarcA on December 17, 2020, 7:10 am, in reply to "Re: More of a general Princess Alexandra jewellery question" I'd go with Iveagh but then ask what brooch and necklace is the DoG then wearing! Previous Message What tiara is Queen Mary wearing in this photo? Previous Message Wouldn't it be illuminating if the palace officials would authorise a publication detailing who got various pieces of Queen Mary's jewellery. Sadly, I know that is not going to happen. From the little we know it is possible that Princess Alexandra received perhaps the following. 1. The diamond necklace with the pear shaped pearls which she wore very frequently as a young woman. I have often wondered if the necklace came from Queen Mary. The photo I have of Queen Mary wearing what looks like the same necklace is blurry, so it is difficult to be sure if it is the same. Queen Mary in 1948 Princess Alexandra 2. The diamond brooch which originally belonged to Queen Mary. On her sash in 1968 Below is a link to a 1956 photo taken before her 20th birthday when Princess Alexandra was wearing the diamond necklace with the pearl drops. https://outlet.historicimages.com/products/rsb40321

Re: Princess Alexandra/Queen Mary necklace Posted by The Royal Watcher on December 15, 2020, 2:30 pm, in reply to "Re: More of a general Princess Alexandra jewellery question" Princess Alexandra was first pictured wearing the necklace at the Queen's Coronation in 1953, just a few months after Queen mary's death. She also wore the Necklace for a portrait which is dated from November 1953.

Re: Princess Alexandra/Queen Mary necklace Posted by Beth on December 15, 2020, 3:19 pm, in reply to "Re: Princess Alexandra/Queen Mary necklace" Wonderful, the Royal Watcher! So this necklace definitely wasn't an 18th birthday present.

Re: Princess Alexandra/Queen Mary necklace Posted by RDavid on December 15, 2020, 9:16 pm, in reply to "Re: Princess Alexandra/Queen Mary necklace" I always suspected that this necklace was made using the pendant elements that were part of the large bow brooch that was given to Princess Marina as a wedding gift. She never wore the piece with them, preferring just the bow. Previous Message Wonderful, the Royal Watcher! So this necklace definitely wasn't an 18th birthday present.

Re: Princess Alexandra/Queen Mary necklace Posted by MarcA on December 17, 2020, 7:18 am, in reply to "Re: Princess Alexandra/Queen Mary necklace" When was this necklace last seen and on whom? Previous Message I always suspected that this necklace was made using the pendant elements that were part of the large bow brooch that was given to Princess Marina as a wedding gift. She never wore the piece with them, preferring just the bow. Previous Message Wonderful, the Royal Watcher! So this necklace definitely wasn't an 18th birthday present.

Re: Princess Alexandra/Queen Mary necklace Posted by Beth on December 17, 2020, 2:21 pm, in reply to "Re: Princess Alexandra/Queen Mary necklace" RDavid's thoughts have made me rethink my idea, and so I have been trying to find clear photos of the jewel with the pendants -- without any success. When the large bow was given to Princess Marina as a wedding gift the three diamond loops were attached. It seems from the photos I have seen that there were also 2 pendants attached to the lower two loops, but I cannot see whether those pendants were diamonds or pearls. In the only photo I have of Princess Nicholas wearing the jewel the loops do not have any pendants. I am still wondering if the diamonds in the loops attached to the bow are as large as the ones in Princess Alexandra's necklace, even though I realise that the diamonds in the loops might look larger if we could see them clearly from the front. MarcA, the latest photos I have of this necklace show Princess Alexandra wearing it in 1960. It maybe that she wore it later than this date. Hopefully, someone else will know.

Re: Princess Alexandra/Queen Mary necklace Posted by The Royal Watcher on December 17, 2020, 5:28 pm, in reply to "Re: Princess Alexandra/Queen Mary necklace" I too have thought that the diamond loops from the brooch may have contributed to this necklace, and I remember discussing it on here a few years ago. While Queen Mary's necklace looks similar, I now think the diamonds in that are much larger than the diamonds in Princess Alexandra's necklace. https://mb.boardhost.com/historyroyaljewels/thread/1535179189.html In my folder on the necklace, the latest picture I've found of Princess Alexandra wearing the necklace was at a Gala Performance at the Royal Opera House in Covent Garden on the final evening of the Nepalese State Visit to Britain in 1960, just days after she wore the necklace on her big tour to give Independence to Nigeria. I find it quite odd that it was not worn for for her big visits to Japan, Burma, Hong Kong or Sweden before her wedding, and that it was never pictured worn with her Ogilvy Tiara. I've been collecting images of the necklace for years but had not made the connection until recently that it, unlike many of her jewels, hasn't been seen since the 60s. I wonder what became of this necklace, since the diamond riviere that Princess Alexandra has worn from the 1950s until the late 2000s has much larger diamonds, and I don't recall any jewels that have the same diamond or pearls as the ones suspended on the necklace.

Re: Princess Alexandra/Queen Mary necklace worn in 1965 Posted by The Royal Watcher on December 17, 2020, 6:05 pm, in reply to "Re: Princess Alexandra/Queen Mary necklace" Right after posting that last bit, I looked again and found these image of the necklace being worn at an event in 1965, with what looks like her Pearl Corsage Brooch! The caption is: 'Princess Alexandra Of Kent At Victoria Palace With Singer Kathy Kirby, 25 Apr. 1965' Source

Re: Princess Alexandra/Queen Mary necklace worn in 1965 Posted by MarcA on December 17, 2020, 9:47 pm, in reply to "Re: Princess Alexandra/Queen Mary necklace worn in 1965" So, and I'm sorry if I'm completely off on the wrong track(s) here, apart from the provenance of the original necklace are we also still unsure of whom currently has possession of it - if it still exists? Previous Message Right after posting that last bit, I looked again and found these image of the necklace being worn at an event in 1965, with what looks like her Pearl Corsage Brooch ! The caption is: 'Princess Alexandra Of Kent At Victoria Palace With Singer Kathy Kirby, 25 Apr. 1965' Source

Re: Princess Alexandra/Queen Mary necklace worn in 1965 Posted by Stefan on December 18, 2020, 1:36 am, in reply to "Re: Princess Alexandra/Queen Mary necklace worn in 1965" Could it have belonged to Princess Marina and then beeing sold with some of her other Jewels after her death? Previous Message Right after posting that last bit, I looked again and found these image of the necklace being worn at an event in 1965, with what looks like her Pearl Corsage Brooch ! The caption is: 'Princess Alexandra Of Kent At Victoria Palace With Singer Kathy Kirby, 25 Apr. 1965' Source

Re: Princess Alexandra/Queen Mary necklace worn in 1965 Posted by MarcA on December 19, 2020, 7:29 am, in reply to "Re: Princess Alexandra/Queen Mary necklace worn in 1965" I believe Princess Marina followed the tradition of leaving the majority of her jewels to her sons for them to give to their wives to use. A daughter would supposed to be on the receiving side of this tradition in her marriage. I think she also disapproved of Angus Ogilvy and had hoped for a grander match than the second son of an Earl so Alexandra got left even higher and drier on the jewel front especially as Marina died so quickly after the marriage and Marina hadn't got to know Angus very well. There is another very interesting little aside though regarding the Duke of Kent's jewells. I believe Angus Ogilvy was a very wealthy man by the mid to late seventies. Wealth is a strange beast in that it doesn't often mean you have the liquidity to buy things but bearing in mind how active a royal Alexandra was for them to have bought a few of the Kent pieces that we now know to have been quietly sold is a conundrum. Previous Message Could it have belonged to Princess Marina and then beeing sold with some of her other Jewels after her death? Previous Message Right after posting that last bit, I looked again and found these image of the necklace being worn at an event in 1965, with what looks like her Pearl Corsage Brooch ! The caption is: 'Princess Alexandra Of Kent At Victoria Palace With Singer Kathy Kirby, 25 Apr. 1965' Source

Re: Princess Alexandra/Queen Mary necklace worn in 1965 Posted by Beth on December 19, 2020, 6:42 pm, in reply to "Re: Princess Alexandra/Queen Mary necklace worn in 1965" Interesting MarcA! But, I guess we don't know all the intricacies of these issues -- or are likely to get any insider view of these. Previous Message I believe Princess Marina followed the tradition of leaving the majority of her jewels to her sons for them to give to their wives to use. A daughter would supposed to be on the receiving side of this tradition in her marriage. I think she also disapproved of Angus Ogilvy and had hoped for a grander match than the second son of an Earl so Alexandra got left even higher and drier on the jewel front especially as Marina died so quickly after the marriage and Marina hadn't got to know Angus very well. There is another very interesting little aside though regarding the Duke of Kent's jewells. I believe Angus Ogilvy was a very wealthy man by the mid to late seventies. Wealth is a strange beast in that it doesn't often mean you have the liquidity to buy things but bearing in mind how active a royal Alexandra was for them to have bought a few of the Kent pieces that we now know to have been quietly sold is a conundrum. Previous Message Could it have belonged to Princess Marina and then beeing sold with some of her other Jewels after her death? Previous Message Right after posting that last bit, I looked again and found these image of the necklace being worn at an event in 1965, with what looks like her Pearl Corsage Brooch ! The caption is: 'Princess Alexandra Of Kent At Victoria Palace With Singer Kathy Kirby, 25 Apr. 1965' Source

Re: Princess Alexandra/Queen Mary necklace Posted by Dave on December 18, 2020, 3:38 am, in reply to "Re: Princess Alexandra/Queen Mary necklace" A very good discussion of which validates more investigations. Anyone know what is the guy behind PA in the last picture wearing? I am intrigued by his jewel of a star and diamond surround piece. Regards, Dave. Previous Message I too have thought that the diamond loops from the brooch may have contributed to this necklace, and I remember discussing it on here a few years ago. While Queen Mary's necklace looks similar, I now think the diamonds in that are much larger than the diamonds in Princess Alexandra's necklace. https://mb.boardhost.com/historyroyaljewels/thread/1535179189.html In my folder on the necklace, the latest picture I've found of Princess Alexandra wearing the necklace was at a Gala Performance at the Royal Opera House in Covent Garden on the final evening of the Nepalese State Visit to Britain in 1960 , just days after she wore the necklace on her big tour to give Independence to Nigeria . I find it quite odd that it was not worn for for her big visits to Japan, Burma, Hong Kong or Sweden before her wedding, and that it was never pictured worn with her Ogilvy Tiara. I've been collecting images of the necklace for years but had not made the connection until recently that it, unlike many of her jewels, hasn't been seen since the 60s. I wonder what became of this necklace, since the diamond riviere that Princess Alexandra has worn from the 1950s until the late 2000s has much larger diamonds, and I don't recall any jewels that have the same diamond or pearls as the ones suspended on the necklace.

Re: Lord Mountbatten Posted by The Royal Watcher on December 18, 2020, 8:30 am, in reply to "Re: Princess Alexandra/Queen Mary necklace" That is Lord Mountbatten, wearing the Order of the Star of India!

Re: Lord Mountbatten - Knighthoods Posted by Bryce on December 20, 2020, 12:55 am, in reply to "Re: Lord Mountbatten" Someone feel free to correct me if I am wrong in this, but I think that Mountbatten was the last member of the BRF to hold five British Knighthoods Garter Bath Star of India Order of Indian Empire Royal Victorian Order George VI held five as well (before becoming King) Garter Thistle St Patrick St Michael & St George Royal Victorian Order Edward VIII held an astounding eight (before becoming King) Garter Thistle St Patrick Star of India St Michael & St George Order of Indian Empire Royal Victorian Order Order of the British Empire

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