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Timur ruby necklace
Posted by Csaba on January 28, 2021, 6:17 am
In the documentary Royal family there is a sequence of the queen handling the sapphire tiara and the Timur ruby necklace. At one point she asks her dresser:"I have worn this once, haven't I?" - referring to the ruby necklace. So,it seems that she has indeed worn it once but sadly there is no photo proof of that...
Re: Timur ruby necklace
Posted by txrus on January 28, 2021, 11:59 pm, in reply to "Timur ruby necklace "
I was going to post the same question-ha! :-)
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In the documentary Royal family there is a sequence of the queen handling the sapphire tiara and the Timur ruby necklace. At one point she asks her dresser:"I have worn this once, haven't I?" - referring to the ruby necklace. So,it seems that she has indeed worn it once but sadly there is no photo proof of that...
In the documentary Royal family there is a sequence of the queen handling the sapphire tiara and the Timur ruby necklace. At one point she asks her dresser:"I have worn this once, haven't I?" - referring to the ruby necklace. So,it seems that she has indeed worn it once but sadly there is no photo proof of that...
In the documentary Royal family there is a sequence of the queen handling the sapphire tiara and the Timur ruby necklace. At one point she asks her dresser:"I have worn this once, haven't I?" - referring to the ruby necklace. So,it seems that she has indeed worn it once but sadly there is no photo proof of that...
What a privilege to view such a well put together film, thanks txrus and if I have not met you before welcome. I wonder if anyone might be able to identify at (34:24) minutes into the program the tiara that looks like the Vladimir tiara being worn by a lady at the table and as the Queen enters the dining room?
And the other big question is at (35:42) minutes into the program, the Queen wears a large oval sapphire brooch that looks just like the one purportedly gifted to the late PD by the late QEQM.
Now if it is possible that the brooch worn by HM in the film is that same brooch, is it possible that HM was loaned or borrowed jewels off her mom or was the jewel in question held in the Queen's possession as opposed to her mother's own. It could be the Russian oval sapphire brooch pinned upright, but it is so reminiscent of the one worn by the late PD, if you look at it closely.
Lastly, if the Queen wanted this film shut down it could be because at times listening to one's own voice and or viewing ones' self can become irritating and bring about some feeling of embarrassment, and I am sure the Queen must have been ashamed or felt some kind of disdain of herself for using such derogatory terms or words at the dining table to maybe describe someone or something.
But apart from that, the film was well produced and the roles of the family firm and background were all properly summarized.
There was another documentary I believe produced sometime in the late 70's or 80's which I can remember viewing in 1989/90 which was I think a 5 part documentary, and all along I thought that was the one that was banned but when I viewed this one, it was definitely not that one.
That one I am mentioning was even better, wonder if anyone could post it on here as well. I have seen only short clips of this one posted by txrus however.
In the documentary Royal family there is a sequence of the queen handling the sapphire tiara and the Timur ruby necklace. At one point she asks her dresser:"I have worn this once, haven't I?" - referring to the ruby necklace. So,it seems that she has indeed worn it once but sadly there is no photo proof of that...
It's certainly very puzzling especially given the number of similar documentaries that have aired since, not the least of which is the one about the Coronation that she actively participated in just recently.
Lastly, if the Queen wanted this film shut down it could be because at times listening to one's own voice and or viewing ones' self can become irritating and bring about some feeling of embarrassment, and I am sure the Queen must have been ashamed or felt some kind of disdain of herself for using such derogatory terms or words at the dining table to maybe describe someone or something.
It's certainly very puzzling especially given the number of similar documentaries that have aired since, not the least of which is the one about the Coronation that she actively participated in just recently.
Lastly, if the Queen wanted this film shut down it could be because at times listening to one's own voice and or viewing ones' self can become irritating and bring about some feeling of embarrassment, and I am sure the Queen must have been ashamed or felt some kind of disdain of herself for using such derogatory terms or words at the dining table to maybe describe someone or something.
For many reasons, I agree with Dave and JohnAF -- that the brooch worn by QEII is probably one of the amethysts ovals from part of the Kent amethyst necklace.
First, I don't think that the diamond surrounds are the same as in the sapphire which Princess Diana eventually used as the centre piece of her pearl choker.
I also think that I can see a hint of gold in the setting surrounding the central stone -- as can be seen in the setting around the oval shaped amethysts in the Kent necklace.
(I am re-posting some of Franck's images)
The surrounds of the amethyst stones in the Kent necklace.
I suspect that the brooch may be one of the "smaller" ovals towards the back of the necklace.
Thirdly, I fancy that I can see a hint of amethyst in a couple of the images Franck posted, but I admit I could be mistaken, as the video we saw is not a high quality version and, of course, colour can be misleading in some older film images.
Another of Franck's images.
Re: Large Sapphire Brooch - more photos - can it be the sapphire brooch from Queen Mary
For many reasons, I agree with Dave and JohnAF -- that the brooch worn by QEII is probably one of the amethysts ovals from part of the Kent amethyst necklace.
First, I don't think that the diamond surrounds are the same as in the sapphire which Princess Diana eventually used as the centre piece of her pearl choker.
I also think that I can see a hint of gold in the setting surrounding the central stone -- as can be seen in the setting around the oval shaped amethysts in the Kent necklace.
(I am re-posting some of Franck's images)
The surrounds of the amethyst stones in the Kent necklace.
I suspect that the brooch may be one of the "smaller" ovals towards the back of the necklace.
Thirdly, I fancy that I can see a hint of amethyst in a couple of the images Franck posted, but I admit I could be mistaken, as the video we saw is not a high quality version and, of course, colour can be misleading in some older film images.
Another of Franck's images.
Re: Large Sapphire Brooch - more photos - can it be the sapphire brooch from Queen Mary
I did not even remember that your suggestion could have been also an option. However something tells me this is another sapphire brooch or maybe one of the amethyst from the grand amethyst necklace previously mentioned.
Regards,
Dave.
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Dear all,
indeed it is such an interesting topic.
Can it be the sapphire brooch worn as a central element of the wings tiara ?
Indeed I can infer the bows.
This brooch worn by Princess Margaret can be inherited by QEII at the death of Queen Mary and shared by both of them.
Just speculation.
More photos :
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Franck
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Oh! This is such an interesting topic!
For many reasons, I agree with Dave and JohnAF -- that the brooch worn by QEII is probably one of the amethysts ovals from part of the Kent amethyst necklace.
First, I don't think that the diamond surrounds are the same as in the sapphire which Princess Diana eventually used as the centre piece of her pearl choker.
I also think that I can see a hint of gold in the setting surrounding the central stone -- as can be seen in the setting around the oval shaped amethysts in the Kent necklace.
(I am re-posting some of Franck's images)
The surrounds of the amethyst stones in the Kent necklace.
I suspect that the brooch may be one of the "smaller" ovals towards the back of the necklace.
Thirdly, I fancy that I can see a hint of amethyst in a couple of the images Franck posted, but I admit I could be mistaken, as the video we saw is not a high quality version and, of course, colour can be misleading in some older film images.
Another of Franck's images.
Re: Large Sapphire Brooch - more photos - can it be the sapphire brooch from Queen Mary
I did not even remember that your suggestion could have been also an option. However something tells me this is another sapphire brooch or maybe one of the amethyst from the grand amethyst necklace previously mentioned.
Regards,
Dave.
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Dear all,
indeed it is such an interesting topic.
Can it be the sapphire brooch worn as a central element of the wings tiara ?
Indeed I can infer the bows.
This brooch worn by Princess Margaret can be inherited by QEII at the death of Queen Mary and shared by both of them.
Just speculation.
More photos :
mettre une image html
Franck
Previous Message
Oh! This is such an interesting topic!
For many reasons, I agree with Dave and JohnAF -- that the brooch worn by QEII is probably one of the amethysts ovals from part of the Kent amethyst necklace.
First, I don't think that the diamond surrounds are the same as in the sapphire which Princess Diana eventually used as the centre piece of her pearl choker.
I also think that I can see a hint of gold in the setting surrounding the central stone -- as can be seen in the setting around the oval shaped amethysts in the Kent necklace.
(I am re-posting some of Franck's images)
The surrounds of the amethyst stones in the Kent necklace.
I suspect that the brooch may be one of the "smaller" ovals towards the back of the necklace.
Thirdly, I fancy that I can see a hint of amethyst in a couple of the images Franck posted, but I admit I could be mistaken, as the video we saw is not a high quality version and, of course, colour can be misleading in some older film images.
Another of Franck's images.
Re: Large Sapphire Brooch - more photos - can it be the sapphire brooch from Queen Mary
I cant definitely/ definitively say but I think the diamonds are larger on this sapphire brooch while the one from the link you have indicated, the diamonds are smaller.
Regards,
Dave.
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Dave-is possibly the brooch you mentioned in this thread?
I did not even remember that your suggestion could have been also an option. However something tells me this is another sapphire brooch or maybe one of the amethyst from the grand amethyst necklace previously mentioned.
Regards,
Dave.
Previous Message
Dear all,
indeed it is such an interesting topic.
Can it be the sapphire brooch worn as a central element of the wings tiara ?
Indeed I can infer the bows.
This brooch worn by Princess Margaret can be inherited by QEII at the death of Queen Mary and shared by both of them.
Just speculation.
More photos :
mettre une image html
Franck
Previous Message
Oh! This is such an interesting topic!
For many reasons, I agree with Dave and JohnAF -- that the brooch worn by QEII is probably one of the amethysts ovals from part of the Kent amethyst necklace.
First, I don't think that the diamond surrounds are the same as in the sapphire which Princess Diana eventually used as the centre piece of her pearl choker.
I also think that I can see a hint of gold in the setting surrounding the central stone -- as can be seen in the setting around the oval shaped amethysts in the Kent necklace.
(I am re-posting some of Franck's images)
The surrounds of the amethyst stones in the Kent necklace.
I suspect that the brooch may be one of the "smaller" ovals towards the back of the necklace.
Thirdly, I fancy that I can see a hint of amethyst in a couple of the images Franck posted, but I admit I could be mistaken, as the video we saw is not a high quality version and, of course, colour can be misleading in some older film images.
That necklace is astounding, I'd love to see it worn again. I cant understand why it would be politically sensitive for these jewels to be worn at this time, Britain led by the precincts of being an empire, they were the world power of their day, and as such lots of their actions can be looked upon as horrible but we should not attempt to change history by erasing it, we should in fact be more resilient of keeping the negative things from history from happening or reoccurring again, but to have these precious stones just locked away is just so really silly, if they are not being used they should be interred into some museum or some exhibition gallery or something like that, you know, allow/ use it to help pay for it's upkeep or the the upkeep of the entire royal collection, its no good just being locked away.
Regards,
Dave.
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I was going to post the same question-ha! :-)
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In the documentary Royal family there is a sequence of the queen handling the sapphire tiara and the Timur ruby necklace. At one point she asks her dresser:"I have worn this once, haven't I?" - referring to the ruby necklace. So,it seems that she has indeed worn it once but sadly there is no photo proof of that...
on January 28, 2021, 6:17 am
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