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QEII at the Vatican Posted by Bryce on June 16, 2021, 10:38 am I came across this YouTube video, in Italian, of the Queen’s visit to the Vatican in 1980. It looks to be Italian newsreel footage snippets. The sequence of events is not in order. At the end there is also some footage of HM’s earlier visit to the Vatican to meet Pope John XXIII. There are some quick images of HM’s retinue when they receive small gifts from HH John Paul II. There are some good images of HM’s Ladies in Waiting – of which there seems to be at least two. I am pretty sure that one is the Duchess of Grafton, but I am not too sure about the other one. These two are wearing jewelled tiaras. There is a third lady who is wearing a black mantilla style headpiece. I think she might be the wife of the British Ambassador. You can see these best from about timestamp 7:30 It is quite interesting – a different perspective than we are used to seeing. This is also two of the few occasions, outside of Garter Day, that HM has worn her formal Garter strap on her arm. Here is the link:

Re: QEII at the Vatican Posted by Dave on June 16, 2021, 12:04 pm, in reply to "QEII at the Vatican " Thanks Bryce, the Queen's tiaras in the clip are very profound and beautiful. I also noted the Queen's ladies in waiting, their head pieces too are very prominent. The more I look at those two tiaras the Queen has worn the more I'm thinking that they are the most beautifully constructed tiaras there is about. I recall following the competition arranged on "The Court Jeweller" for tiaras and noting that the great Vlad and Queen Alexandra kokosnic tiaras were the final runners up in the tiara section from all the tiaras of Royal and noble houses and I definitely now concur from viewing the clip you have posted. Regards, Dave. Previous Message I came across this YouTube video, in Italian, of the Queen’s visit to the Vatican in 1980. It looks to be Italian newsreel footage snippets. The sequence of events is not in order. At the end there is also some footage of HM’s earlier visit to the Vatican to meet Pope John XXIII. There are some quick images of HM’s retinue when they receive small gifts from HH John Paul II. There are some good images of HM’s Ladies in Waiting – of which there seems to be at least two. I am pretty sure that one is the Duchess of Grafton, but I am not too sure about the other one. These two are wearing jewelled tiaras. There is a third lady who is wearing a black mantilla style headpiece. I think she might be the wife of the British Ambassador. You can see these best from about timestamp 7:30 It is quite interesting – a different perspective than we are used to seeing. This is also two of the few occasions, outside of Garter Day, that HM has worn her formal Garter strap on her arm. Here is the link:

Re: QEII at the Vatican Posted by Maridje on June 16, 2021, 5:23 pm, in reply to "Re: QEII at the Vatican " More pictures. QEII wore the garter Maridje

Re: QEII at the Vatican Posted by Beth on June 16, 2021, 6:02 pm, in reply to "Re: QEII at the Vatican " As ever Maridje has treated us to some delightful images from her amazing collection! Thank you so much Maridje!! Many thanks Bryce for posting the video. It is, as you said, different from what we are accustomed to, and it allows for a whole range of topics, which others might like to introduce. According to the Court Circular published in The Times, the ladies who accompanied QEII on this trip were - the Duchess of Grafton, Lady Carrington and Mrs John Dugdale, who is also referred to as Lady Kathryn Dugdale, nee Stanley. I think we all recognise the Duchess of Grafton. The lady in the next 2 photos is Lady Kathryn Dugdale. I think that she is the lady with the diamond tiara in the image below I suspect that the lady behind her, who was wearing some type of a "tiara" in black is probably Lady Carrington. Another view of the three ladies moving as a group after having been presented to the Pope. I haven't had time to look for information on or photos of the tiara worn by Lady Kathryn Dugdale. Or to find other images of Lady Carrington to confirm that she is the 3rd lady. One thing which puzzles me are the other ladies at the initial reception when QEII was standing in the rain while the national anthem was played. I wonder who they were? I hope that, despite the poor quality of the images, someone will recognise them all.

Re: QEII at the Vatican. Dugdale tiara??? Posted by Beth on June 17, 2021, 6:58 am, in reply to "Re: QEII at the Vatican " I wonder if Kathryn Dugdale was wearing the same tiara worn by her sister-in-law to her wedding? Perhaps it is a Dugdale family jewel. What do others think?

Re: QEII at the Vatican. Dugdale tiara??? Posted by Bryce on June 17, 2021, 7:32 am, in reply to "Re: QEII at the Vatican. Dugdale tiara??? " Yes - I think you may be right Beth. The same shape with the distinctive small central element.

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