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PGF Nationals

Posted by Championship Week on July 14, 2025, 1:04 pm

Here we go, PGF 16s and 18s headed to Cali, who you got from the midwest?

Re: PGF Nationals

Posted by Know your audience on July 14, 2025, 4:45 pm, in reply to "PGF Nationals"

Bandits and Chill are the only teams worth discussing, or even identifiable here...

Re: PGF Nationals

Posted by Look Out on July 15, 2025, 9:33 pm, in reply to "Re: PGF Nationals"

For Batbusters KY/KB

Re: PGF Nationals

Posted by @Know on July 14, 2025, 9:04 pm, in reply to "Re: PGF Nationals"

There are plenty other teams who have won PGF berths. What should be identified is teams that win a berth and stays home.

Re: PGF Nationals

Posted by Coach on July 15, 2025, 3:32 pm, in reply to "Re: PGF Nationals"

There are more teams that win it and stay home than go.

Re: PGF Nationals

Posted by Yeo on July 14, 2025, 8:14 pm, in reply to "Re: PGF Nationals"

They’re the only teams deserving of being there. Too many teams out there on automatic bids or finishing 5th place and getting a hand me down bid.

Re: PGF Nationals

Posted by @Yeo on July 15, 2025, 8:57 am, in reply to "Re: PGF Nationals"

Agree that PGF bids are handed out like lollipops too often...

This, at least, is where Alliance seems to have a leg up. Their ranking system (basically an RPI) is transparent and fair. That doesn't mean that marginal teams may not get a bid to Alliance Nationals, but for pool seeding purposes it results in a better process than what appears to be "smoke filled back room" decisions at PGF.

Re: PGF Nationals

Posted by current state on July 15, 2025, 12:13 pm, in reply to "Re: PGF Nationals"

How things are shaping up, if Alliance could find a way to make the "tent" bigger, without killing the integrity, PGF Nationals could be in real trouble.

Re: PGF Nationals

Posted by Just saying on July 16, 2025, 7:52 am, in reply to "Re: PGF Nationals"

I heard the founding father of Alliance sold his interest, not a good sign.
Wish Covid and Alliance never happened, I thought PGF pre Covid was incredible. Still prefer PGF but it was better with top Alliance teams.

Re: PGF Nationals

Posted by @ @Yeo on July 15, 2025, 11:25 am, in reply to "Re: PGF Nationals"

I believe you have it mixed up, PGF does a blind draw where anyone can draw anyone. Alliance has a seeding system created by the 15 owners of the Alliance. Not saying which is better but just wanted to let you know that I think you have the formats mixed up.

Re: PGF Nationals

Posted by You’re wrong on July 15, 2025, 1:39 pm, in reply to "Re: PGF Nationals"

It has nothing to do with the draw of whose already in the tournament. The point is that PGF is so money hungry now that ANY team that wants in can get in. It’s the new ASA.

Re: PGF Nationals

Posted by @@@Yeo on July 15, 2025, 1:12 pm, in reply to "Re: PGF Nationals"

Thank you for explaining.

The Alliance seeding though is based largely on their RPI, right? I know they published their top 32 ranked teams recently (18U).

So, even if 15 people are doing the seedling, there is some transparent logic to it given the published rankings. Not unlike NCAA basketball process.

PGF blind draw… what is that based upon, and are the inputs published?

Re: PGF Nationals

Posted by @@@Yeo on July 16, 2025, 7:48 am, in reply to "Re: PGF Nationals"

PGF Blind draw is done in front of all coaches with no protections. The top teams can play each other in round one.

Re: PGF Nationals

Posted by This isn’t about the draw on July 16, 2025, 10:06 am, in reply to "Re: PGF Nationals"

Who cares about the blind draw? The fact is that any team that wants in the tournament is let in.

Re: PGF Nationals

Posted by PGF Fan on July 17, 2025, 7:00 am, in reply to "Re: PGF Nationals"

PGF has had about 620 teams vetween the two weeks for the oast ten years. They have a long waiting list of teams that want to play but unable because a lack of nearby fields.
Alliance has a different type of format similiar to the WCWS. The format is different than PGF’s traditional double elimination format, consolidating the 3 week WCWS format into one week certainly favors teams with 6-7 pitchers and large rosters.
Competition is good and keeps both organizations from having exclusivity or a monopoly, which is never good for the consumer.
Personally, I liked both formats but Huntington Beach is far more of a desired destination for a family trip.

Re: PGF Nationals

Posted by Wow! on July 18, 2025, 10:57 pm, in reply to "Re: PGF Nationals"

Beverly Bandits Conroy and defending champions Thunderbolts Rocky drew each other in the first round of PGF nationals. You can’t make this stuff up.. love it!

Re: PGF Nationals

Posted by @Wow! on July 22, 2025, 1:45 pm, in reply to "Re: PGF Nationals"

Down goes Frazier!

Re: PGF Nationals

Posted by @Wow on July 19, 2025, 10:13 am, in reply to "Re: PGF Nationals"

Awesome.

Re: PGF Nationals

Posted by @Know on July 14, 2025, 8:14 pm, in reply to "Re: PGF Nationals"

Remember when ole Joe Tholl took down the Chill because somebody forgot to tell him? Pepperidge Farm remembers. Lol

Re: PGF Nationals

Posted by @know on July 15, 2025, 7:38 am, in reply to "Re: PGF Nationals"

Did he yell his way to the W

Re: PGF Nationals

Posted by Coach on July 15, 2025, 3:33 pm, in reply to "Re: PGF Nationals"

He has the worst behavior I have ever seen from a HC.

Re: PGF Nationals

Posted by @coach on July 19, 2025, 11:03 am, in reply to "Re: PGF Nationals"

Does he invade your safe space?

Re: PGF Nationals

Posted by Old School on July 21, 2025, 10:40 am, in reply to "Re: PGF Nationals"

Old school solid coach and person. Will definitely give your DD the business on the field and then a side hug in the dugout! Problem is most parents these days are offended if you hold thier kid accountable.

I get it… Not for everyone. However a good person.

Re: PGF Nationals

Posted by EagleEye on July 20, 2025, 1:36 pm, in reply to "Re: PGF Nationals"

Parents have been commenting about the volume for years. Do you think he cares about what an opposing team parent feels about how he runs his team on the field? He's seen too many of them come and go.

If you think your DD will melt under the pressure then don't have her tryout for his team. Problem solved.

Re: PGF Nationals

Posted by @eagleeye on July 21, 2025, 7:55 pm, in reply to "Re: PGF Nationals"

The whole side hug and all the other things are the justification of parents who play for’em to let him act the way he does.

I recall the old 16u coach cringing when he showed up to her dugout, kind of funny they now coach together.

Re: PGF Nationals

Posted by @Coach on July 16, 2025, 7:25 am, in reply to "Re: PGF Nationals"

He's quick to pick up the phone when he sees a old player published on a certain team rosters, to voice his "expert" opinion on said players.....

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