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trump's cynical use of the Kirk assassination Posted by Sia on September 12, 2025, 11:45 am ADMIN Trump’s cynical use of the Kirk assassination Rather than appeal to the better angels of our nature, he appeals to the worst of our demons Robert Reich - Sep 12 Friends, The reaction by Trump to the horrendous assassination of Charlie Kirk has been as irresponsible as anything Trump has done to date to divide our nation. When bad things happen, presidents traditionally use the highest office in the land to calm and reassure the public. The best of our presidents appeal to the better angels of our nature, asking that we harbor “malice toward none.” Trump consistently appeals to the worst of our demons, as he did Wednesday night after the shooting when he said: “For years, those on the radical left have compared wonderful Americans like Charlie to Nazis and the world’s worst mass murderers and criminals. This kind of rhetoric is directly responsible for the terrorism that we’re seeing in our country today, and it must stop right now.” I don’t know at this writing who was responsible for Kirk’s death, and Trump certainly didn’t know when he made these remarks Wednesday night. But for Trump to blame the “radical left” — a term he often uses to describe the whole Democratic Party — is an unconscionable provocation that further polarizes Americans at a time when we badly need to come together. It’s also a vehicle for silencing criticism of Trump’s own authoritarianism, advancing the presumption that if you criticize someone for being an authoritarian, or the member of an authoritarian political movement, you’re a terrorist who’s inciting murder. Trump continued: “My administration will find each and every one of those who contributed to this atrocity and to other political violence, including the organizations that fund it and support it, as well as those who go after our judges, law-enforcement officials, and everyone else who brings order to our country.” It’s unclear what Trump is calling for here, but it sounds as if he may use the Kirk assassination as a pretext for unleashing the FBI and other federal law enforcement on every organization that could possibly be seen as contributing to the “radical left.” This becomes clearer from what he said next: “From the attack on my life in Butler, Pennsylvania, last year, which killed a husband and father, to the attacks on ICE agents, to the vicious murder of a health-care executive in the streets of New York, to the shooting of House Majority Leader Steve Scalise and three others, radical-left political violence has hurt too many innocent people and taken too many lives.” Trump is attributing America’s rising tide of political violence to the “radical left,” ignoring the significant if not larger amount of political violence perpetrated by Trump supporters on the far-right. The latter includes the shootings of two Minnesota Democratic legislators at their home earlier this summer, the attempted assassination of Pennsylvania’s Democratic governor Josh Shapiro in April, the series of shootings at the homes of four Democratic elected officials in New Mexico in 2022, the attempted kidnapping of Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer in 2020, the attempted pipe bombings at the homes of Barack Obama and Joe Biden in 2018, and the attack on former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s husband in 2022. Trump’s list of so-called “radical-left” violence included attacks on ICE agents — which did not involve gunfire — but conveniently failed to mention the shooting a month ago at CDC headquarters, in which a man protesting Covid-19 vaccines fired more than 180 shots at the building and killed a police officer. Nor, obviously, did Trump include the violence he himself incited at the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021, by over 1,500 followers who received prison terms — all of whom Trump subsequently pardoned. There is no excuse for political violence in America. Nor is there any excuse for provoking even more of it by blaming it on one side or the other. And no excuse for a president of the United States using a heinous killing as an occasion to treat his political opponents as accomplices to murder and threatening to use the full power of the government to attack them. We have had enough violence, enough carnage, enough blame. We must do whatever we can to reduce the anger and hate that are consuming and destroying so much of this nation. It is time for all of us, including a president, to take some responsibility.

I read this, an excellent piece Posted by greenman on September 12, 2025, 1:57 pm, in reply to "trump's cynical use of the Kirk assassination" It makes me all the more disgusted by Trump. What will they say of Trump's eventual assassin, I wonder? -greenman

Kirk was a despicable man in many ways. Still, murder is always wrong Posted by Sia on September 15, 2025, 12:01 am, in reply to "I read this, an excellent piece" ADMIN Two things can both be true and each can be considered bad because neither is good. Surely we can all agree that racism, misogyny, hate, homophobia, sexism, and cold blooded murder are all BAD things. Neither has to be good so the other can be bad or vice versa. Kirk wasn't a "good man", but didn't deserve killing based on his expression of his vile opinions. The man who killed him is also a bad man. I don't care about his affiliations and beliefs, he is a cold blooded killer. Plain and simple. I totally hate how the right are desperately trying to portray Kirk as good and demonizing his killer.

I don't see Kirk as a bad man with vile opinions. I've watched a number of his Posted by TW on September 15, 2025, 10:46 am, in reply to "Kirk was a despicable man in many ways. Still, murder is always wrong" Valued Poster "Prove Me Wrong" segments on YouTube and without exception he has been cordial and polite. He backed up his opinions with facts and his own deeply held biblical beliefs. Nobody was or is forced to buy into them. Discussing these political and cultural beliefs is necessary. People need to know why they believe what they believe and be able to back those beliefs up with sound reasoning. People that can't stand to hear their ideas put under scrutiny are the fascists. Has he ever said anything out of sorts? Probably! You don't enter the arena in which he chose to engage people without tempers flaring on occasion. Everyone that speaks publically in great volumes messes up on occasion. Even on this board we all occasionally get some facts or figures wrong. Sarcasm On [Except for Trump. Everything he states is "perfect".] Sarcasm Off I do recall reading a National Review article on him, Probably a couple of years ago, and they rightly condemned him for being over the top on some subject. I agreed. I cannot recall the subject at this time. He was only 31 years old. He started Turning Point USA when he was 18 years old. He was undoubtedly a very intelligent and talented individual that sought to counter the far left leanings of universities by engaging in debate. Discussion and debate is lacking in this nation. All sides to need to be able to present their positions and the rationale behind them. There is not near enough good discussion and debate. You cannot reach any sort of amicable or peaceful consensus without it.

My thoughts on Kirk Posted by greenman on September 17, 2025, 6:15 pm, in reply to "I don't see Kirk as a bad man with vile opinions. I've watched a number of his" Valued Poster 'I’ve never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure.' - attr'd to Twain -greenman

Re: I don't see Kirk as a bad man with vile opinions. I've watched a number of his Posted by jacque on September 16, 2025, 3:23 am, in reply to "I don't see Kirk as a bad man with vile opinions. I've watched a number of his" Valued Poster There is more than enough content on the internet as evidence of some very controversial statements regarding specific people about specific subjects that have all the context. For some spin (paraphrased) "even evil men know how to give good things to their children" Matthew 7:11 Luke 11:13 I don't think he was evil but my point is parental guidance is arbitrary. live long and prosper as best you can Jacque

Kirk's murder was wrong. Has no place in American society Posted by Pikes Peak 14115 on September 15, 2025, 11:56 am, in reply to "I don't see Kirk as a bad man with vile opinions. I've watched a number of his" It represents the sharp division of Americans and their intolerance for each other based on political beliefs. In Kirk's example, politics and religion blended to yield something of a mystical and cultist belief that directly, and in veiled ways asks for violence to solve problems argument doesn't. His tongue and pen were too sharp for any kind of rational discussion. He was murdered by an extremist just as misguided. Stirrer of this cauldron is the felon, who is able to advance his policies because of it. Y'all are blinder than eyeless Kentucky cave fish. But touch you with truth and you go ape, bananas, and sometimes postal. You can look away from a painting, but you can't listen away from a symphony

The people who are blindest Posted by greenman on September 15, 2025, 5:57 pm, in reply to "Kirk's murder was wrong. Has no place in American society" Valued Poster ..are the ones who don't see what the stakes are here, that Trump is not merely a felon but a FASCIST, and that we could lose our democracy and our country. Charlie Kirk was their Heydrich. He just didn't get to formulate his Final Solution. -greenman

Hyperbole! Trump will be out of office in a little over 3 years. Posted by TW on September 16, 2025, 10:05 am, in reply to "The people who are blindest" Valued Poster Biden helped drag the nation down with his wide open border policies. Who knows who or what entered our borders during the Biden years. Chinese spies, subversives, experts at creating havoc and terrorism from within. His treatment of our border was an impeachable offense, as protecting the nation is one of the highest duties of his office. Yet he enabled that huge incursion of criminals and many potential enemies of this nation. I think there was something like 68,000 Chinese that entered during Biden's tenure. I knew Biden would be gone in a matter of time. I hoped the nation wouldn't be stupid enough to allow another idiot to continue his legacy of harmful acts. It didn't. But Trump is not all that great. At least he had the sense to shut the border down. Our enemies didn't need a Trojan Horse, they had Biden holding the gates wide open and flagging them in. Along with financing their time here. At great cost to a nation already deeply in debt. Who knows what further prices we may pay for Biden's idiocy? The sad fact is that Biden had plenty of supporters for that high profile mission. Primarily, that feckless mission was in hopes of gaining political power.

Your blame of Biden is grotesquely untrue Posted by Pikes Peak 14115 on September 16, 2025, 5:09 pm, in reply to "Hyperbole! Trump will be out of office in a little over 3 years." Immigration during felon's first term was greater than Biden's. That is a documented fact. Biden didn't "open the border." He continued a policy in place through six administrations beginning with Bush I, and establishment of NAFTA. He tried to manage immigration with establishment of Ellis Island like "camps" where immigrants could be managed. Guess who blocked that? Why? Because it would have worked. Instead we have the felon's current policy, with Homan's ICE implementing it. Like recently when ICE detained most workers at a USA Hyundai factory. South Korea and Hyundai responded by CLOSING THE FACTORY. Felon tariffs and ICE intervention tipped the thin factory profit margin enough so Hyundai could justify closure of it. Biden also tried to provide help to Latin American countries from where immigration came, fighting the problem by giving desperate people reason to not emigrate. Felon shut that down, helping banana republic dictators build ICE detention camps. Where was Abrego Garcia sent? And who knows who else, because there is NO due process for anyone ICE detains and deports in midnight flights in order to defy court orders. But you know what? Felon blamed Biden for everything possible, true or not, and called any Biden success "fake news," and that was it. Prior to his first election, felon talked about infrastructure. Biden implemented it, stimulating strong economic growth. All the GOP could talk about was inflation that went with it. This time felon's word was "groceries." How is that going? Importers say they can no longer absorb felon tariffs, and increases were passed onto consumers. Don't you shop and buy groceries? Do you pay attention to costs? Since felon's inauguration, grocery prices rose 5.8% That's 11.6% inflation for a year. Not since "Carter" have we seen double digit inflation in anything. You can look away from a painting, but you can't listen away from a symphony

Too bad that me and the bulk of the U.S. citizenry don't "know" what "you know" about the Posted by TW on September 17, 2025, 10:31 am, in reply to "Your blame of Biden is grotesquely untrue" Valued Poster border. It must be one of the best kept secrets of the decade. You ought to write a book about it. The border mess was one of the big dogs that got Trump elected over Hillary, and Biden's border mess was a critical item that helped put Trump over the line the last election. Biden is an idiot. Always has been and always will be. He's a prime illustrator of the Peter Principle and much of what is wrong with U.S. politics and the system that keeps incompetent incumbents in office. Who the hell knows what, if any leadership, he provided in his disastrous tenure. If Biden had been any sort of successful POTUS, Kamala could have ridden his coattails to office herself by promising more of the same. The same went for Hillary. She promised the Obama agenda, but even better. The citizenry said hell no to both of them. Swing voters, by and large, hate the far left's agenda and more of that is what was put in front of them with both Hillary's and Biden/Kamala's campaigns for POTUS. Unfortunately, Trump was waiting in the wings to jump into the void produced by the left's disastrous agenda in both cases. I have what may be called the unimpeachable truth concerning the above statements, as an undesirable man like Trump was elected both times. Additionally, the Democrats have been dredging up nothing but rocks in the bottom of the polls since Trump was elected. With no end to those low poll numbers currently in sight. On top of that, they keep doubling down on the stupidity that put them there in the first place. They may even tank further down before it is all over. Surely! That has to tell you something.

It is complex, Posted by Pikes Peak 14115 on September 17, 2025, 3:12 pm, in reply to "Too bad that me and the bulk of the U.S. citizenry don't "know" what "you know" about the" ADMIN and I'm not about to explain it to you again. Lis, Biden attempted to MANAGE immigration to reduce stress and pressure on that border. I was there for a year when NAFTA was created, and maquilladoras sprang up all along the border, drawing millions of people from all over Latin America in search of jobs. I studied the entomology of the Chihuahua desert, right along the Rio Grande, from El Paso to Big Bend. Watched it first hand. Maybe I should write a book. Got lots of pictures and video. Biden got his infrastructure bill passed and implemented it. Here in Colorado, highway and bridge repair proliferated, and supporting industries of all kinds profited from the influx of good paying jobs. As projects around the country are finishing what they can until the Biden money runs out, MAGA are erecting signs giving false credit for the projects to the felon. I call the 6 Jan people insurrectionists. The felon pardoned them all and called them patriots. Do you? You can look away from a painting, but you can't listen away from a symphony

Biden is falsely blamed for a 'border mess' Posted by greenman on September 17, 2025, 12:03 pm, in reply to "Too bad that me and the bulk of the U.S. citizenry don't "know" what "you know" about the" Valued Poster ..which is the product of both parties' sheer ineptitude, partisan squabbling, and profiteering, and has been for years. Biden's error, IMO, was allowing more wannabe immigrants to enter and then apply for sanctuary -or not - after entering. And 'sanctuary cities' was a huge, dumb Progressive mistake. -greenman

bulk is a vast overstatement Posted by Trish on September 17, 2025, 10:54 am, in reply to "Too bad that me and the bulk of the U.S. citizenry don't "know" what "you know" about the" Admin Many Trump voters are voicing regrets

They'd be voicing regrets had Kamala been elected as well. Posted by TW on September 17, 2025, 11:46 am, in reply to "bulk is a vast overstatement" Valued Poster Maybe even in larger numbers. This is what happens when you have a lesser of 2 evils scenario.

Harris is not a convicted felon Posted by Pikes Peak 14115 on September 17, 2025, 3:33 pm, in reply to "They'd be voicing regrets had Kamala been elected as well." ADMIN Harris never sexually assaulted anyone, and then defamed them saying the person wasn't her type. She never cheated on her spouse, or paid for sex to anyone. She didn't associate with pedophiles. Harris didn't cheat on her taxes, or commit any kind of business fraud. She didn't try to steal an election, or steal ts/sci documents, or cause and encourage an insurrection in order to usurp undeserved title or power. If Harris was elected, the August jobs report would be ten times what occurred due to the felon's tariff policy. Get ready to pay significantly higher prices for groceries, due to tariffs and climate change pressures. You can look away from a painting, but you can't listen away from a symphony

Not only that…. Posted by Skye on September 16, 2025, 8:15 pm, in reply to "Your blame of Biden is grotesquely untrue" Valued Poster Trump is taking credit for BIDEN’S infrastructure bill that HE had opposed. The Trump administration is installing signs at construction sites nationwide for projects funded by the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, which was signed by President Joe Biden in 2021. The signage includes large, prominent text reading "President Donald J. Trump: Rebuilding America's Infrastructure".

Doesn't surprise me Posted by greenman on September 17, 2025, 7:37 am, in reply to "Not only that…." Valued Poster Doubt he'll take credit for the massive deficit/debt that comes from BOTH spending and huge tax cuts, though... -greenman

WOW! Just WOW! Posted by Sia on September 17, 2025, 1:46 am, in reply to "Not only that…." ADMIN

It just goes to show.... Posted by Skye on September 17, 2025, 12:56 pm, in reply to "WOW! Just WOW!" Valued Poster There are no depths to which he will not sink.

This is where a good lawyer, with a lawsuit and cease and desist letter are necessary Posted by Pikes Peak 14115 on September 16, 2025, 9:24 pm, in reply to "Not only that…." ADMIN You know all that gold retrofit the felon contracted installation of in the White House? 70% of is it gold plastic from Home Depot. There is no end to the felon's fakery. The ballroom? Did you see the felon dance? The Rose Garden vandalism? Copied a patio at Mar a Lago so the felon can feel more like he's home. The East Wing? That's not his house. That's our house. He is a renter. Renters know any changes they make to a landlord's property must have written agreement from the landlord. Otherwise the tennant is responsible to restore the property to original condition at his expense. You can look away from a painting, but you can't listen away from a symphony

The east wing is where the first lady's offices are housed, along with white house staff Posted by Sia on September 17, 2025, 1:50 am, in reply to "This is where a good lawyer, with a lawsuit and cease and desist letter are necessary" The west wing is for presidential staff offices. From what I've read, it is not very accommodating in the east or west wings and is cramped to the max!

He just keeps on… Posted by Skye on September 16, 2025, 9:36 pm, in reply to "This is where a good lawyer, with a lawsuit and cease and desist letter are necessary" Valued Poster doing one disgusting illegal thing right after another and another and another. It never stops. That’s how he gets away with almost all of it. Desensitization. Normalization. What’s the big deal???

The usual baloney Posted by greenman on September 16, 2025, 10:57 am, in reply to "Hyperbole! Trump will be out of office in a little over 3 years." Valued Poster Some NEVER learn from history. 'Sure, I don't care for Mr. Hitler, but we'll vote him out in the next election.' -greenman

A Fox News host suggested that mentally-ill homeless people should be executed. Posted by Skye on September 15, 2025, 6:12 pm, in reply to "The people who are blindest" Valued Poster He apologized, but was he fired? No. Nazi Germany all over again…. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fox-news-brian-kilmeade-apologizes-mentally-ill-homeless-people-executed/

Yeah, it is A-okay when one of their own does or says something hideous Posted by Sia on September 15, 2025, 7:39 pm, in reply to "A Fox News host suggested that mentally-ill homeless people should be executed." ADMIN However, firing or even termination mayerial if anyone left of center does it. The hypocrisy is deafening and acrid.

That was utterly disgusting. Posted by greenman on September 15, 2025, 6:21 pm, in reply to "A Fox News host suggested that mentally-ill homeless people should be executed." Valued Poster Why isn't THAT being put at the top of EVERY news feed? Because he 'apologized?' BS!! The Nazis eliminated the 'deficient' and the 'non-Aryan.' That's what scum like Kirk and Miller stand for. THEY ARE THE ENEMY. -greenman

Exactly Posted by Skye on September 15, 2025, 7:24 pm, in reply to "That was utterly disgusting." Valued Poster But they are “Christian” Nazis… Makes you want to throw up.

Take a line from a Sinatra song Posted by Pikes Peak 14115 on September 15, 2025, 7:33 pm, in reply to "Exactly" ADMIN "When I threw up, I aimed it their way!" You can look away from a painting, but you can't listen away from a symphony

Everyone registering by mail Posted by greenman on September 15, 2025, 7:37 pm, in reply to "Take a line from a Sinatra song" Valued Poster ..should get a free barf bag as part of the registration process.. -greenman

You just reminded me Posted by Pikes Peak 14115 on September 15, 2025, 7:48 pm, in reply to "Everyone registering by mail" A few years ago we did A GOP Voting Kit video. I never released it. It is a sack containing the following items. Mouth dam Mouth and nose mask. Nope plugs Nose clip Ear plugs, mask for the eyes. Heavy wool mittens and socks. When you step in the voting booth, follow this procedure. But mouth dam in mouth. Put nose plugs in nostrils. Pinch nose closed with nose clip. Put ear plugs in ears. Put mouth and nose mask over mouth and nose. Put on wool socks. Put on eye mask. Put on heavy wool mittens. Put sack completely over your head, double protecting all your senses. Now, you are ready to vote republican. You can look away from a painting, but you can't listen away from a symphony

Ha! That's great.. Posted by greenman on September 16, 2025, 8:29 am, in reply to "You just reminded me" Valued Poster -greenman

I had no problem with his right to express opinions I disagree with Posted by Sia on September 15, 2025, 10:52 am, in reply to "I don't see Kirk as a bad man with vile opinions. I've watched a number of his" However, he often said truly hateful things about groups he despised, including Jews, Blacks, immigrants. Hispanics homosexuals, transsexuals, and more. Try googling Charlie Kirk quotes for a different view.

Here are some of his vile quotes Posted by Sia on September 15, 2025, 12:01 pm, in reply to "I had no problem with his right to express opinions I disagree with" ADMIN

Re: Here are some of his vile quotes Posted by TW on September 16, 2025, 9:51 am, in reply to "Here are some of his vile quotes" Valued Poster I've never heard him say anything like those. I'd like to have seen the sources. When did he say them, when he was 18 years old? There's just so much garbage on the internet these days. Here's one I found that contains some of the more controversial. I don't see them as being that bad. Without context, they probably seem worse than they actually are. I can probably explain some of them, just knowing a little about his basic beliefs. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/11/charlie-kirk-quotes-beliefs

Everyone's wrong but you, as usual. Posted by greenman on September 16, 2025, 12:47 pm, in reply to "Re: Here are some of his vile quotes" Valued Poster Try PROVING something wrong just once. Your 'feelings' in whether something is true or honest frankly aren't worth a lot. -greenman

Re: Everyone's wrong but you, as usual. Posted by TW on September 16, 2025, 4:50 pm, in reply to "Everyone's wrong but you, as usual." I've probably watched a couple dozen Charlie Kirk videos over the years. This one is typical of most of them: https://substack.com/@americareborn/note/c-155592800?utm_source=notes-share-action&r=1wvbc3 Here's another: https://substack.com/@tlionel/note/c-155230463?utm_source=notes-share-action&r=1wvbc3

Why would I want to watch him? Posted by greenman on September 16, 2025, 7:13 pm, in reply to "Re: Everyone's wrong but you, as usual." Didn't he say the things attributed to him? Or do you just not WANT him to have said such cruel, spiteful, and in-Christian things? -greenman

I have not heard him speak, in the numerous times I have seen him, like what he has Posted by TW on September 17, 2025, 10:41 am, in reply to "Why would I want to watch him?" Valued Poster been accused of. I find 4 possibilities here. 1. He didn't actually say them. Somebody paraphrased some statement he made it far worse than it was. 2. He was quoted out of context. 3.He misspoke and stated something in a way that is not clear or not accurate. 3. He made the statement, and he was wrong. People that speak publically as much he did occasionally screw up. All of us are wrong on occasion. By all means, don't watch him. It might give you a good idea of the man's true disposition. Better to believe what is reported of him by all his enemies and detractors.

It's also been quoted in RW media outlets at the time they were said Posted by Sia on September 17, 2025, 12:34 pm, in reply to "I have not heard him speak, in the numerous times I have seen him, like what he has" ADMIN Many in the RW approved of it all! Now, many deny it!

watched him, read his transcripts - still Deplorable to the core Posted by Trish on September 17, 2025, 10:56 am, in reply to "I have not heard him speak, in the numerous times I have seen him, like what he has" Admin he taunted young people into "conversation" with the intent to take them down, embarrass them...time and again

If you discuss topics with a desire to persude people, you will attempt to point out the errors Posted by TW on September 17, 2025, 11:44 am, in reply to "watched him, read his transcripts - still Deplorable to the core" Valued Poster in their logic and thinking. In most of the "Prove Me Wrong" videos I saw with Kirk, his questioners were far more rude and uncivilized by a long shot. These days, if you disagree, people attack you personally and consider you an enemy to be put down. Often by violent means. When you are effective, as Charlie Kirk was, and when your opponent cannot win a debate with facts and logic. They resort to violence. Either verbal or physical. https://youtube.com/shorts/FhzqKQzueKU

We HAVE been pointing them out. Posted by greenman on September 17, 2025, 12:05 pm, in reply to "If you discuss topics with a desire to persude people, you will attempt to point out the errors" Valued Poster You simply deny and disagree. I think he was a vile individual, and couldn't care less that he's dead - anymore than I did when Limbaugh croaked. -greenman

Because of people like him…. Posted by Skye on September 15, 2025, 12:59 pm, in reply to "Here are some of his vile quotes" Valued Poster We are living in a time when KKK types are coming out of the woodwork in full view instead of hiding under rocks. In no way are many of the things he said “healthy debate”… just pure hate, ignorance and arrogance.

Be kind enough to show me a smattering of these KKK types. Posted by TW on September 16, 2025, 10:08 am, in reply to "Because of people like him…." Valued Poster Kirk wasn't even close to being KKK. What we have seen are tons of people "coming out of the woodwork" celebrating the death of another human being. A very sad commentary on today's declining humanity.

Also... Posted by Skye on September 17, 2025, 9:59 am, in reply to "Be kind enough to show me a smattering of these KKK types." Valued Poster Why do you suppose Hegseth has been renaming military bases after members of the Confederacy who fought to maintain slavery... if not to appease Trump's base of KKK types?

I would really like for you.... Posted by Skye on September 17, 2025, 9:17 am, in reply to "Be kind enough to show me a smattering of these KKK types." Valued Poster to look at yourself in the mirror and tell yourself that these KKK "types" do not exist and were not influenced by Kirk and 'Kirk types' who have and continue to disparage blacks and others, and then deny what the evidence clearly shows. Go ahead and deny that many of Trump's followers and enablers are those types, and that he released the J6 insurrectionists because of their 'loyalty' to him. Read this post of greenman's and then deny what the evidence clearly shows. https://mb.boardhost.com/CivilizedDiscussion/msg/1758111187.html

Absolutely! His messages triggered violence against those he hated. Posted by Sia on September 15, 2025, 4:03 pm, in reply to "Because of people like him…." ADMIN He may have claimed to be a Christian who merely wanted free and open debate, but he was and wanted neither! No real Christian advocates stoning people to death for who they are. That crap went out when Jesus came.

His wife seems no better Posted by greenman on September 15, 2025, 12:46 pm, in reply to "Here are some of his vile quotes" Valued Poster She's vowing revenge already. Is that what the kids need? ' "You have no idea what you have just unleashed across this entire country. You have no idea the fire you ignited within this wife, the cries of this widow will echo around this world like a battle cry," she said.' They're all nuts. Sorry for the kids. -greenman

It sounds to me like you've blown it way out of proportion. Posted by TW on September 16, 2025, 10:09 am, in reply to "His wife seems no better" Valued Poster I think her "revenge" mission is to continue what Kirk had started and keep it growing.

It seems to me like we're on the same page.. Posted by greenman on September 16, 2025, 10:59 am, in reply to "It sounds to me like you've blown it way out of proportion." Valued Poster His 'work' was for fascism, reactionism and evil, so 'revenge' seems an appropriate way to refer to it. -greenman

While I get her pain, outrage, and desire for revenge, I find it bewildering that she would make Posted by Sia on September 15, 2025, 4:08 pm, in reply to "His wife seems no better" ADMIN such an obviously UNCHRISTIAN-like call for violence and revenge publicly. THAT certainly doesn't garner sympathy from those with any moral decency or compassion for her loss.

Definitely NOT a Christian Posted by greenman on September 15, 2025, 5:13 pm, in reply to "While I get her pain, outrage, and desire for revenge, I find it bewildering that she would make" Valued Poster ..nor does she seem very concerned about her children's well-being. -greenman

She and they clearly don't know what Tyler Robinson was Posted by Pikes Peak 14115 on September 15, 2025, 7:39 pm, in reply to "Definitely NOT a Christian" If she means "the left," because MAGA and the felon say it is, then she could not be wronger. Thing is, they all kinda have a problem with the truth. Just like the felon they follow. You can look away from a painting, but you can't listen away from a symphony

Those are but a few of his vile hateful remarks. Posted by Sia on September 15, 2025, 12:21 pm, in reply to "Here are some of his vile quotes" ADMIN

Hitler had 'deeply held beliefs' too. Posted by greenman on September 15, 2025, 10:51 am, in reply to "I don't see Kirk as a bad man with vile opinions. I've watched a number of his" Valued Poster Charlie Kirk was of that ilk, even if some are too fatuous to have seen it. -greenman

I edited the post a bit Posted by greenman on September 15, 2025, 10:03 am, in reply to "Kirk was a despicable man in many ways. Still, murder is always wrong" Valued Poster I only support the shooter getting a fair trial. And this shooting only gives a boost to the Trumpsters. -greenman

Oh, I totally agree. Everyone deserves a fair trial, no matter how vile or obviously Posted by Sia on September 15, 2025, 10:34 am, in reply to "I edited the post a bit " ADMIN guilty they may be. Kirk deserves justice for the taking of his life, as does his family. He was bad, but his killer had NO right to be judge, jury, or executioner.

Even Lee Harvey Oswald deserved a trial and not to be murdered by Jack Ruby Posted by Sia on September 15, 2025, 10:42 am, in reply to "Oh, I totally agree. Everyone deserves a fair trial, no matter how vile or obviously" a mob affiliated night club owner. That murder was clearly to cover something up. Ruby didn't kill him out of personal outrage, he was clearly forced to by the mob that "owned him". He was later killed in prison. Most likely yet another cover up. So many out there hated Kennedy for various reasons. Castro, the mob, the rumored CIA connection, and more. The mob for his affair with Marilyn Monroe and her death before it became known when she threatened exposure. She was involved with a mobster then too. RFK Sr was also cracking down on the mob, so there was that too. My point being that even the killer of JFK deserved a trial in spite of the country-wide hatred of him for allegedly killing him. Same goes for those accused of murdering someone not well admired.

Yes. I saw it. Posted by greenman on September 15, 2025, 10:54 am, in reply to "Even Lee Harvey Oswald deserved a trial and not to be murdered by Jack Ruby" Valued Poster On tape delay but same day, I believe. Even at 7 I know he'd really been shot, that it wasn't 'just TV.' That was as you suggest a highly suspicious killing that was swept under the rug by the authorities. -greenman

I've seen photos of it and an old grainy video of it. Ruby didn't even TRY Posted by Sia on September 15, 2025, 11:50 am, in reply to "Yes. I saw it." ADMIN to be sneaky. Plus, how did he get SO close to Oswald without being challenged or stopped? Was security that awful then? Oh wait, JFK was in an ppen vehicle, so yeah, it was. But still killing JFK took a long range rifle or two. Killing Oswald was a close up job. Ruby wasn't police, FBI, CIA, or even a reporter. So how did he manage a clear shot at Oswald from mere feet away without help getting that far?

Last couple of comments are apt Posted by greenman on September 15, 2025, 12:33 pm, in reply to "I've seen photos of it and an old grainy video of it. Ruby didn't even TRY" Valued Poster He was a shady character, did he know the cops so well that they were comfortable with him as a bystander in the station? When THIS prisoner was brought in? Almost unbelievable. Nobody thought it was innocent. -greenman

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