The Deuce: NAFTA was signed by Bush I*

Cue "Muh free speech rights is bein' violated!" In 3,2,1... - KingTalkyTiki August 20, 2025, 10:46:02

MSNBC just played a clip of the Jim Acosta AI interview - Sounder August 20, 2025, 14:23:11
I know we've discussed this before, but I'm still grasping with the good people voting for Trump - reggiedunlop August 20, 2025, 11:03:53
- There’s an enormous number of working class people… - opossum jenkins August 20, 2025, 16:12:00
  - Some believed him on free IVF* - JeffFrank Yesterday, 12:03:49
  - Why did they vote for the party that’s been at the forefront of pushing for globalization - ATL August 20, 2025, 16:27:29
    - And nobody on the right has a problem with trump putting these people in the wood chipper. - Toonces August 20, 2025, 16:43:24
    - Everybody has pushed for globalization because it's the economically smart thing to do. - uofi1998 August 20, 2025, 16:43:23
      - 100%* - CoronaTheirAss Yesterday, 7:07:37
      - That’s true, but it also seems like the country did a poor job helping the people who lost jobs - DT August 20, 2025, 18:39:20
        
        Have to go back 40+ years and change a lot to make up for what you’re referring to. - uofi1998 Yesterday, 8:42:04
      - but as repeatedly stated, biden was the most pro labor president in generations - John Coctostan August 20, 2025, 16:47:53
        
        Can you provide examples? Honest question * - uofi1998 Yesterday, 8:39:06
        
        Sorry didn’t duck the question, just crazy day traveling for work. This is a good start - John Coctostan Yesterday, 19:40:58
        
        Most (all?) projects funded through the IRA/BIL require payment of "prevailing wages" and apprentice - ATL Yesterday, 10:27:40
        
        I hate to get off track here... but I have a fundamental issue with minimum wage... - uofi1998 Yesterday, 10:41:11
        
        That may or may not all be true.* But increasing the wages of blue collar trades is fundamentally - ATL Yesterday, 10:47:30
        
        Yeah, I'm not saying there aren't other reasons... but creating inflation for the sake of creating.. - uofi1998 Yesterday, 10:51:21
        
        But the rate of compounding is higher (and has increased). Take a look at this chart - ATL Yesterday, 10:57:16
        
        Trust me... I get all of it... we have crossed so far over the rubicon I really don't know... - uofi1998 Yesterday, 11:01:05
        
        The answer is for working classes to get their heads out of their assess and realize that - ATL Yesterday, 11:07:29
        
        OK... let's run with that... then what? - uofi1998 Yesterday, 11:10:48
        
        On a more serious note...we relive the previous century...have a massive stock market crash... - haighter Yesterday, 11:40:13
        
        Just heard from my sister that she got laid off. Thinking we’re going to be hearing a lot more of - Toonces Yesterday, 12:33:53
        
        I'm up to 3 or 4.. - KingTalkyTiki Yesterday, 13:06:21
        
        100%. We'll get to relive the mistakes of the past because jagoffs refuse to learn lessons from it.* - KingTalkyTiki Yesterday, 12:06:48
        
        Which jagoffs are we talking about? - uofi1998 Yesterday, 12:09:44
        
        An overwhelming majority of Americans that have little to no understanding of our own history. - KingTalkyTiki Yesterday, 12:22:06
        
        Unfortunately, we have reached the point where we only care about 10-second IG snippets* - uofi1998 Yesterday, 13:11:39
        
        You mean... the inevitable on the horizon?* - uofi1998 Yesterday, 11:56:54
        
        Seems as likely as anything else. * - haighter Yesterday, 11:58:45
        
        Tangentially...I saw a stat the other day and it would take 10,000 years... - haighter Yesterday, 11:38:38
        
        Welcome to the revolution, comrade* - ATL Yesterday, 11:42:20
        
        According to who?* - CoronaTheirAss Yesterday, 7:07:24
        
        Modern propaganda media at its finest. It works.* - voiceofreason August 20, 2025, 17:08:11
      - For sure, I'm not sure there is ANY way to save small town America.* - Warrin'_Illini August 20, 2025, 16:47:25
      - Was gonna say...NAFTA happened while Clinton was President, didn't it? * - haighter August 20, 2025, 16:45:53
        
        NAFTA was signed by Bush I* - ATL August 20, 2025, 18:11:36
        
        Yeah - Chuck Woodaby August 20, 2025, 20:09:45
        
        Lol - ATL Yesterday, 6:21:21
        
        Not sure if you're aware, but saying lol a lot does not make you look smart.* - Stu Yesterday, 9:20:35
        
        THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THE MATTER!* - ATL Yesterday, 10:28:19
        
        The treaty was signed under Bush 1, ratified under Clinton, right?* - gvibes August 20, 2025, 20:13:09
        
        entirely negotiated by Bush, signed and submitted for ratification by Bush in December 92 - assassin August 20, 2025, 20:16:43
        
        "entirely negotiated" - Chuck Woodaby August 20, 2025, 20:20:00
        
        That’s right…I was a yute but remember Ross “Giant Sucking Sound” Perot. * - haighter August 20, 2025, 18:50:01
        
        Well, people think Biden closed the country down during COVID, so…..* - ATL August 20, 2025, 19:10:54
        
        NAFTA isn't the problem, everything that happened via NAFTA was inevitable - Sounder August 20, 2025, 18:03:06
  - And they’re racists too. Right, Tiki? * - jjlocke923 August 20, 2025, 16:18:14
    - the irony of this is delightful. I'll let you see if you can figure out why* - VIV Yesterday, 9:19:11
    - they’ve been fooled - memyselfandillini August 20, 2025, 16:51:36
      - The people who took their jobs and tax dollars… - SurfTheBoneyard August 20, 2025, 17:06:39
    - dots - Chicago1995 August 20, 2025, 16:40:55
      - dots - KingTalkyTiki August 20, 2025, 16:45:12
- This is a pretty good distillation of Trump - Sounder August 20, 2025, 15:25:50
- I'm somewhere in here. I like to see the good in most people but becoming increasingly harder to - DiamondDazzle August 20, 2025, 14:08:45
  - most of them have good in them, but it's entirely negated by enabling this - Sammich August 20, 2025, 14:35:05
    - this is a more diplomatic way to put it. * - assassin August 20, 2025, 14:37:19
  - Good for you. Every case is different and people shouldn't be judged *strictly* on whether - jjlocke923 August 20, 2025, 14:14:25
    - Mostly agree unless that person is Trump. He said for months what he was gonna do. - doubledown August 20, 2025, 14:26:13
  - We now have a decade of data on Trump - Sounder August 20, 2025, 14:10:28
    - I just can't do the blanket of 'everyone who voted for Trump is a bad person'. - DiamondDazzle August 20, 2025, 14:18:42
      - I can't either, but man it's hard - Sounder August 20, 2025, 14:21:04
- zero good people voted for Trump a 3rd time. - assassin August 20, 2025, 13:19:02
  - This country, and frankly, the Dems, are doomed if they continue to think this way* - Chilango August 20, 2025, 14:11:16
    - I know that you're mostly correct - Sounder August 20, 2025, 14:22:19
      - This is a great example of the problem. - Chilango August 20, 2025, 15:14:08
        
        The thing is we can’t understand how anyone can’t see greed, corruption, - memyselfandillini August 20, 2025, 16:49:01
        
        I totally understand. - Chilango Yesterday, 7:38:43
        
        Just because it's not in our best interest to point it out - Sounder August 20, 2025, 15:21:05
        
        Pointing it out does nothing, that's the issue. - Chilango Yesterday, 7:39:24
      - Great question. What are *we* supposed to do? * - jjlocke923 August 20, 2025, 14:23:56
    - Seven words too many. - KingTalkyTiki August 20, 2025, 14:19:16
      - The founding fathers actually expected a madman to eventually make his way to President - Sounder August 20, 2025, 14:25:43
    - yeah, probably* - assassin August 20, 2025, 14:13:32
      - Showing voters how you think they're wrong will never work* - Chilango August 20, 2025, 14:16:21
        
        I'm not exactly advocating for "You're a horrible person for empowering Stephen Miller" - assassin August 20, 2025, 14:19:38
        
        Agreed* - Chilango August 20, 2025, 14:21:50
  - My dad did - GrandmotherPearlsJam August 20, 2025, 13:30:18
    - Wow - this pileon subthread is brutal. Fwiw, I believe you when you say your dad is a - jjlocke923 August 20, 2025, 13:46:53
      - I don't need your disingenuous troll ass defending me - GrandmotherPearlsJam August 20, 2025, 14:01:50
        
        *Snickers** - KingTalkyTiki August 20, 2025, 14:06:36
      - OOO - Sounder August 20, 2025, 13:50:05
        
        What happened to your plan to "ice me out"? * - jjlocke923 August 20, 2025, 14:06:57
    - The person you just described is not a good person* - Sounder August 20, 2025, 13:43:01
      - You don't know him, so forgive me if I ignore your opinion on this* - GrandmotherPearlsJam August 20, 2025, 13:48:08
        
        Did you explain how the declining value of the dollar and the rise of inflation - longsnapper August 20, 2025, 17:08:14
        
        I don’t think that is fair to put words in GPJ’s dad’s mouth. You don’t know him * - jjlocke923 August 20, 2025, 18:01:52
        
        I know a lot of people who voted for Trump who think they are good people - Sounder August 20, 2025, 13:50:40
    - I think S&P 500 returns were basically identical for the trump and biden admins. - gvibes August 20, 2025, 13:39:10
      - Now control for the value of the $USD. The market is down this year.* - longsnapper August 20, 2025, 16:59:20
      - Yeah, that's where the Fox News propaganda comes in. * - illini August 20, 2025, 13:52:03
    - we'll agree to disagree then, but, i stand by all of my points. - assassin August 20, 2025, 13:37:10
      - I don't disagree, but also think it's more nuanced. - GrandmotherPearlsJam August 20, 2025, 13:47:21
        
        yeah, I don't wanna fight you on it or pile on. - assassin August 20, 2025, 13:52:50
        
        Trump has cost me a couple of friendships - Sounder August 20, 2025, 13:57:18
        
        It was nuanced in 2016, much less so in 2024 - Sounder August 20, 2025, 13:51:38
      - Wait, GPJ's father is Throwsize?!? - KingTalkyTiki August 20, 2025, 13:39:14
        
        Throwsize! * - jjlocke923 August 20, 2025, 13:39:42
    - Got some bad news for you. * - doubledown August 20, 2025, 13:35:37
    - I know it's your dad and all, so apologies in advance... - KingTalkyTiki August 20, 2025, 13:33:53
      - He has empathy. But like a lot of people, it only extends to those he knows - GrandmotherPearlsJam August 20, 2025, 13:52:19
        
        Again, it really isn't "hard for him to see things differently" especially in this day and age. - KingTalkyTiki August 20, 2025, 13:55:48
        
        It's also easier than ever to sit in echo chamber - GrandmotherPearlsJam August 20, 2025, 14:06:47
        
        I have a couple of friends - Sounder August 20, 2025, 14:08:45
        
        I totally get it....more than you know at this very moment. - KingTalkyTiki August 20, 2025, 14:08:42
        
        You are a good man. Family is #1 * - jjlocke923 August 20, 2025, 14:08:05
        
        Wow. Your pre-edit version was particularly mean-spirited. I kinda hope GPJ didn't see it :( * - jjlocke923 August 20, 2025, 13:57:57
        
        I didn't and wouldn't care otherwise. Tiki seems like a decent dude and conversations - GrandmotherPearlsJam August 20, 2025, 14:09:43
        
        *Fistbump** - KingTalkyTiki August 20, 2025, 14:20:27
        
        OOO - Sounder August 20, 2025, 14:02:29
        
        This is a core fundamental aspect of Trump and MAGA - Sounder August 20, 2025, 13:54:09
    - He must be racist. Right Tiki? * - jjlocke923 August 20, 2025, 13:31:11
      - May not be a "racist" - Chicago1995 August 20, 2025, 13:40:45
        
        REALLY lock it up now, Brum* - KingTalkyTiki August 20, 2025, 13:42:12
  - My parents are basically single issue (abortion) evangelical and habitual straight ticket voters, - gvibes August 20, 2025, 13:26:17
    - My parents were straight ticket GOP voters for decades. They voted for Hillary, and Biden - IlliniRunner August 20, 2025, 13:28:51
    - So now that they have "won" the abortion issue will their voting patterns change?* - Sounder August 20, 2025, 13:28:00
      - I think they will still generally vote republican. Just not someone they view as an exceptional - gvibes August 20, 2025, 13:37:33
        
        Though their pickleball league is like 80% gay, so their stance on that is nearly progressive now* - gvibes August 20, 2025, 13:54:38
        
        It's amazing what exposure to people different than you - Sounder August 20, 2025, 14:00:53
      - Point of Order: They only got it thrown back to the states. - KingTalkyTiki August 20, 2025, 13:30:26
    - LBK's 99 yo Grandmother had voted for GOP presidential candidates starting with Dewey in '48 - KingTalkyTiki August 20, 2025, 13:27:48
  - Yup. - KingTalkyTiki August 20, 2025, 13:23:54
  - "you forgot ugly, lazy, and disrespectful" * - jjlocke923 August 20, 2025, 13:21:15
- There is a subset of people who just vote for the colors, no matter what. - uofi1998 August 20, 2025, 12:42:27
  - I would argue that those folks aren't "good". At best they've surrendered they moral agency - IlliniRunner August 20, 2025, 12:46:59
    - Not sure why you'd argue anything. - uofi1998 August 20, 2025, 12:57:23
    - I'm guessing your "moral agency" finds you to be a near straight ticket Dem? * - haighter August 20, 2025, 12:48:38
      - I was 11 years old when Goldwater won the Republican nomination opposing the Civil Rights Act. - larue33 August 20, 2025, 14:14:10
        
        I don't have any issue with that. I have an issue with people decrying straight ticket voting... - haighter August 20, 2025, 14:17:20
        
        Ah, I see. I'm not decrying straight ticket voting. - IlliniRunner August 20, 2025, 16:12:43
      - Given the current states of the two parties, yes. - IlliniRunner August 20, 2025, 13:27:44
        
        I'm more curious about historically. Big split ticket voter? * - haighter August 20, 2025, 13:33:46
- eggs were expensive, we had to wear masks, and kids were kept out of schools during a pandemic* - IlliniRunner August 20, 2025, 12:16:04
  - How long were your kids out of school?* - IlliniOllie August 20, 2025, 13:05:32
    - that's not a very forward looking 'gotcha' you attempted* - assassin August 20, 2025, 13:12:59
      - I'm wondering if he heard the giant woosh* - IlliniRunner August 20, 2025, 13:30:26
        
        Are you still defending school closures and the way kids were treated in general during Covid?* - IlliniOllie August 20, 2025, 13:39:38
    - March - June 2020* - ATL August 20, 2025, 13:07:09
      - Counterpoint, March 2020 - August 2021 * - haighter August 20, 2025, 13:24:36
  - Oh and some folks were required to get a miraculous vaccine that protected us from a deadly disease* - IlliniRunner August 20, 2025, 12:17:00
- Same reason good non-slaveowning southerners died in the civil war fighting for an evil cause... - KingTalkyTiki August 20, 2025, 11:16:21
  - You are probably right about the Civil War fighting, but I really don't think racism is that big - jjlocke923 August 20, 2025, 12:36:40
    - So the campaign to erase minorities from our history, fire a large number of - larue33 August 20, 2025, 12:41:47
      - KingTalkyTiki says that good people voted for Trump because they are racist. - jjlocke923 August 20, 2025, 12:48:47
    - Yeah not at all * - cpsteine August 20, 2025, 12:40:00
    - That is because you are very stupid or a bad faith troll. Likely both* - JacobRDaugherty August 20, 2025, 12:39:27
      - Lock it up again, Brum* - KingTalkyTiki August 20, 2025, 13:17:39

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