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Cue "Muh free speech rights is bein' violated!" In 3,2,1...

Posted by KingTalkyTiki <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=KingTalkyTiki' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 10:46:02

Proud Boy billboard goes up, proud boy billboard comes down.

Well done Southern Illinois. Respeckt!

"Speak for yourself in life. And don’t be a follower of people like Tiki because you think it makes you look cool. It really doesn’t."

"I'm thinking about engaging a lawyer."

MSNBC just played a clip of the Jim Acosta AI interview

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 14:23:11, in reply to "Cue "Muh free speech rights is bein' violated!" In 3,2,1..."

of a dead parkland victim. JFC what the hell was he thinking?

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Proud Boy billboard goes up, proud boy billboard comes down.

Well done Southern Illinois. Respeckt!

I know we've discussed this before, but I'm still grasping with the good people voting for Trump

Posted by reggiedunlop <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=reggiedunlop' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 11:03:53, in reply to "Cue "Muh free speech rights is bein' violated!" In 3,2,1..."

I don't know enough about what happened here to understand how it all plays together, but there is something more there

There’s an enormous number of working class people…

Posted by opossum jenkins <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=opossum+jenkins' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 16:12:00, in reply to "I know we've discussed this before, but I'm still grasping with the good people voting for Trump"

….who’ve had their manufacturing jobs vanish and the mainstream political establishment offer nothing in its place. They’re in my family. Probably yours too. Those people are always going to fall victim to populist demagoguery, which is exactly what Trump sells.

They’re not bad people. They’ve just been touched—personally, and negatively—by politico-economic failure in ways most on this board haven’t.

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I don't know enough about what happened here to understand how it all plays together, but there is something more there

Some believed him on free IVF*

Posted by JeffFrank <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=JeffFrank' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 21, 2025, 12:03:49, in reply to "There’s an enormous number of working class people…"

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I don't know enough about what happened here to understand how it all plays together, but there is something more there

Why did they vote for the party that’s been at the forefront of pushing for globalization

Posted by ATL <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ATL' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 16:27:29, in reply to "There’s an enormous number of working class people…"

Offshoring and stripping worker protections is far in trying to figure out.

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I don't know enough about what happened here to understand how it all plays together, but there is something more there

“We are old and tired and just want to be taken care of.” - Republican voter, Dec. 2024.

And nobody on the right has a problem with trump putting these people in the wood chipper.

Posted by Toonces <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Toonces' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 16:43:24, in reply to "Why did they vote for the party that’s been at the forefront of pushing for globalization "

I feel bad for some of them but most gleefully chose this path, hoping to bring down as many people as possible.

Let’s get on with those big, beautiful Medicaid cuts I guess.

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Offshoring and stripping worker protections is far in trying to figure out.

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I don't know enough about what happened here to understand how it all plays together, but there is something more there

Legitimately bronchial.

Everybody has pushed for globalization because it's the economically smart thing to do.

Posted by uofi1998 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=uofi1998' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 16:43:23, in reply to "Why did they vote for the party that’s been at the forefront of pushing for globalization "

I don't see that as a partisan issue at all... IIRC, that is called comparative advantage... gotta go back in the ol' memory bank for that one.

You hear me talking, hillbilly boy?

100%*

Posted by CoronaTheirAss <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=CoronaTheirAss' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 21, 2025, 7:07:37, in reply to "Everybody has pushed for globalization because it's the economically smart thing to do."

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I don't see that as a partisan issue at all... IIRC, that is called comparative advantage... gotta go back in the ol' memory bank for that one.

That’s true, but it also seems like the country did a poor job helping the people who lost jobs

Posted by DT <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=DT' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 18:39:20, in reply to "Everybody has pushed for globalization because it's the economically smart thing to do."

Ideally we’d have taken some portion of the large societal benefits and used that to help out those who bore the costs of the transition. But while there was a lot of talk about worker training, it doesn’t seem like much actually ended up happening.

So there was a large economic benefit but that was mostly captured by business owners and, to a lesser extent, the professional management class. And the fact that the working class both bore the brunt of transition pain and saw the smallest net benefit created a significant political problem, which has shown up across most of the developed world.

Although, pushing back on that narrative a bit, it’s a commonplace right now that there’s a significant shortage of people in the trades, machine shops, etc. And these are just the sort of solid, well paying jobs that don’t require a college degree that people think about being list with globalization. So there are jobs like that going begging for workers, which undercuts the pure economic explanation for MAGA. The white working class kids could become plumbers or electricians and have the lives their grandparents did.

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I don't see that as a partisan issue at all... IIRC, that is called comparative advantage... gotta go back in the ol' memory bank for that one.

Have to go back 40+ years and change a lot to make up for what you’re referring to.

Posted by uofi1998 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=uofi1998' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 21, 2025, 8:42:04, in reply to "That’s true, but it also seems like the country did a poor job helping the people who lost jobs"

Now it’s just a memory of a time that will never return.

You hear me talking, hillbilly boy?

but as repeatedly stated, biden was the most pro labor president in generations

Posted by John Coctostan <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=John+Coctostan' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 16:47:53, in reply to "Everybody has pushed for globalization because it's the economically smart thing to do."

it's not an opinion, it's fact. pushed for so much stuff that helped labor over management.

and it did nothing for him or the party. zero. these people vote against their direct economic interest because of transgender people they'll never meet

Can you provide examples? Honest question *

Posted by uofi1998 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=uofi1998' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 21, 2025, 8:39:06, in reply to "but as repeatedly stated, biden was the most pro labor president in generations"

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You hear me talking, hillbilly boy?

Sorry didn’t duck the question, just crazy day traveling for work. This is a good start

Posted by John Coctostan <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=John+Coctostan' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 21, 2025, 19:40:58, in reply to "Can you provide examples? Honest question *"

https://theconversation.com/bidens-labor-report-card-historian-gives-union-joe-a-higher-grade-than-any-president-since-fdr-228771

Most (all?) projects funded through the IRA/BIL require payment of "prevailing wages" and apprentice

Posted by ATL <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ATL' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 21, 2025, 10:27:40, in reply to "Can you provide examples? Honest question *"

ship programs. I'm working on several deals that are funded through those laws right now and they result in higher wages for workers on those projects and training for young people (usually through a union) in those trades.

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“We are old and tired and just want to be taken care of.” - Republican voter, Dec. 2024.

I hate to get off track here... but I have a fundamental issue with minimum wage...

Posted by uofi1998 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=uofi1998' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 21, 2025, 10:41:11, in reply to "Most (all?) projects funded through the IRA/BIL require payment of "prevailing wages" and apprentice"

...or required bottom level wages.

It always strikes me the more you artificially force wages up from the bottom, the worse the overall impact is on people. I have a handful of reasons why. None of these are economic theory in my major... just thoughts.

1) Nobody wants to earn minimum wage. Whether it's $4 an hour or $40 an hour, nobody wants to earn the bare minimum... and that goes especially for people who aren't in what I would call starter hourly jobs.

2) Math simply doesn't math on keeping prices steady when underlying labor costs shoot up exponentially. Note, this is not some ethical conversation about profit margin and rich CEOs... that's not this. But if you take what used to be 10% of 100 and turn it into 20% of 100, that 100 has to go up to make up the difference in between.

3) raising minimum wages also raises supply prices indirectly. Same reason. The guy scrubbing clubs didn't just get more per hour. The vendor's employee delivering the towels and brushes to the bag room gets more. The guy loading that guy's truck gets more. The guy boxing the brushes gets more, and on and on.

4) therefore, it's not *just those money grubbing CEOs* keeping the working man down, it's all of the costs in between that also rise. Again, not saying there's no such thing as greed here (of course there is... nobody ever got rich by everybody else getting rich too)...

5) meanwhile, the rest of society - let's say they're salaried, educated, whatever... not working for hourly wages... their income doesn't change... buying power goes down... debt goes up... let's thrown on particular professions... like being a teacher. Would anybody disagree that teachers are absolutely necessary in our society? What's the point of being a teacher if you earn basically minimum wage and have parents treat you like shit, etc. etc.? We're already trending perilously close to that line as it is... and that's not the only profession that fits here.

6) so... what did we solve? We just created inflation and hurt the people who, as a whole, are the engine of the economy while not really helping the minimum wage guy because there's a mas-o-menos similar increase in prices they pay to offset the increase in wages they receive.

So... my feeling is minimum wage is bad for the economy as a whole. If employers were forced to pay what people are worth based on actual economic factors... supply and demand... Econ 101 shit... there would be a better chance of keeping both wages aligned with real purchasing power, and keeping prices aligned with what the majority of the population can afford.

Thank you for attending my Ted Talk.

You hear me talking, hillbilly boy?

That may or may not all be true.* But increasing the wages of blue collar trades is fundamentally

Posted by ATL <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ATL' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 21, 2025, 10:47:30, in reply to "I hate to get off track here... but I have a fundamental issue with minimum wage..."

good for the people in those hourly jobs - i.e., "good for labor." Of course, so is requiring apprenticeship programs to be a part of these projects.

*I see where you're coming from but the issue is where does the money come from. CEOs' pay has increased far faster than that of the working classes. So have corporate profits. So the squeeze is on the workers, including both hourly and exempt workers. In the end, we should be taxing the upper pay scales much more than we do (including potentially people like me).

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...or required bottom level wages.

It always strikes me the more you artificially force wages up from the bottom, the worse the overall impact is on people. I have a handful of reasons why. None of these are economic theory in my major ... just thoughts.

1) Nobody wants to earn minimum wage. Whether it's $4 an hour or $40 an hour, nobody wants to earn the bare minimum... and that goes especially for people who aren't in what I would call starter hourly jobs.

2) Math simply doesn't math on keeping prices steady when underlying labor costs shoot up exponentially. Note, this is not some ethical conversation about profit margin and rich CEOs... that's not this. But if you take what used to be 10% of 100 and turn it into 20% of 100, that 100 has to go up to make up the difference in between.

3) raising minimum wages also raises supply prices indirectly. Same reason. The guy scrubbing clubs didn't just get more per hour. The vendor's employee delivering the towels and brushes to the bag room gets more. The guy loading that guy's truck gets more. The guy boxing the brushes gets more, and on and on.

4) therefore, it's not *just those money grubbing CEOs* keeping the working man down, it's all of the costs in between that also rise. Again, not saying there's no such thing as greed here (of course there is... nobody ever got rich by everybody else getting rich too)...

5) meanwhile, the rest of society - let's say they're salaried, educated, whatever... not working for hourly wages... their income doesn't change... buying power goes down... debt goes up... let's thrown on particular professions... like being a teacher. Would anybody disagree that teachers are absolutely necessary in our society? What's the point of being a teacher if you earn basically minimum wage and have parents treat you like shit, etc. etc.? We're already trending perilously close to that line as it is... and that's not the only profession that fits here.

6) so... what did we solve? We just created inflation and hurt the people who, as a whole, are the engine of the economy while not really helping the minimum wage guy because there's a mas-o-menos similar increase in prices they pay to offset the increase in wages they receive.

So... my feeling is minimum wage is bad for the economy as a whole. If employers were forced to pay what people are worth based on actual economic factors... supply and demand... Econ 101 shit... there would be a better chance of keeping both wages aligned with real purchasing power, and keeping prices aligned with what the majority of the population can afford.

Thank you for attending my Ted Talk.

“We are old and tired and just want to be taken care of.” - Republican voter, Dec. 2024.

Yeah, I'm not saying there aren't other reasons... but creating inflation for the sake of creating..

Posted by uofi1998 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=uofi1998' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 21, 2025, 10:51:21, in reply to "That may or may not all be true.* But increasing the wages of blue collar trades is fundamentally "

...inflation really makes no sense to me.

And, the whole CEO compensation thing, while certainly an issue and questionable in ethics, is based in some part on simple compounding over time. You can't compound 0, but you can compound millions... that widens the gap exponentially.

You hear me talking, hillbilly boy?

But the rate of compounding is higher (and has increased). Take a look at this chart

Posted by ATL <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ATL' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 21, 2025, 10:57:16, in reply to "Yeah, I'm not saying there aren't other reasons... but creating inflation for the sake of creating.."

On an annualized basis, in my lifetime (up to 2019), the wages of the highest income 10% has grown far faster than any other group. Meanwhile, the wage growth of the poorest has grown the slowest, barely at all.

https://www.epi.org/publication/swa-wages-2023/
Shit got real in 2020 and wage growth for the poorest folks dramatically increased between 2020-2025. Which is great! But it doesn't make up for 45 years of feeding them shit. And while the poor folks' increased wages surely added to inflation, my guess is that there were much larger things at play (including monetary policy and supply chain issues) from 2020-25.

“We are old and tired and just want to be taken care of.” - Republican voter, Dec. 2024.

Trust me... I get all of it... we have crossed so far over the rubicon I really don't know...

Posted by uofi1998 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=uofi1998' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 21, 2025, 11:01:05, in reply to "But the rate of compounding is higher (and has increased). Take a look at this chart"

...what solutions truly exist.

What I do know is that today's personal and corporate cost structure, whether it be wages, materials, capital, insurance, etc. is deleterious for business (which by extension means employees/workers), and ultimately compresses the middle again... and again... and again...

I've gone off track at this point...

You hear me talking, hillbilly boy?

The answer is for working classes to get their heads out of their assess and realize that

Posted by ATL <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ATL' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 21, 2025, 11:07:29, in reply to "Trust me... I get all of it... we have crossed so far over the rubicon I really don't know..."

their enemies aren't black and brown people or gays or transsexuals or the professional classes. Their enemies are people in private equity, venture capital, C-Suites, and running private middle market companies.

WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE.

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“We are old and tired and just want to be taken care of.” - Republican voter, Dec. 2024.

OK... let's run with that... then what?

Posted by uofi1998 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=uofi1998' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 21, 2025, 11:10:48, in reply to "The answer is for working classes to get their heads out of their assess and realize that"

What would you suggest as the proper next steps?

Bear in mind, the impact of unions becomes less and less relevant all the time...

Bear in mind, people can't simply go on strike because consumer debt is at record levels...

Now it's not even legal to not have health insurance... which creates varying levels of uncertainty... it's not legal to drive without car insurance... can't communicate without cell service/internet...

Everything in 2025 comes with a cost. Nothing is free or baked in the cake anymore.

I'm not trying to be a dick and challenge you... it's more an honest question... what are real people supposed to do when they have families to feed?

We could have some riots... that would probably not be productive overall... beyond that?

You hear me talking, hillbilly boy?

On a more serious note...we relive the previous century...have a massive stock market crash...

Posted by haighter <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=haighter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 21, 2025, 11:40:13, in reply to "OK... let's run with that... then what?"

...wipe out the wealth of the investor class and watch them jump from windows while standing in a soup line outside of our shantytown in Central Park.

Then the federal government once again comes in with enormous jobs programs to reinvest in the nation and the economy.

The great resetting.

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Just heard from my sister that she got laid off. Thinking we’re going to be hearing a lot more of

Posted by Toonces <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Toonces' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 21, 2025, 12:33:53, in reply to "On a more serious note...we relive the previous century...have a massive stock market crash..."

that very shortly.

Golden Age my taint.

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Legitimately bronchial.

I'm up to 3 or 4..

Posted by KingTalkyTiki <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=KingTalkyTiki' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 21, 2025, 13:06:21, in reply to "Just heard from my sister that she got laid off. Thinking we’re going to be hearing a lot more of "

...and I know several others, primarily in logistics and transportation , that are really afraid of what's going to happen once the tariffs are in full effect.

I'm sure there will be no ripple effect tho....

"Speak for yourself in life. And don’t be a follower of people like Tiki because you think it makes you look cool. It really doesn’t."

"I'm thinking about engaging a lawyer."

100%. We'll get to relive the mistakes of the past because jagoffs refuse to learn lessons from it.*

Posted by KingTalkyTiki <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=KingTalkyTiki' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 21, 2025, 12:06:48, in reply to "On a more serious note...we relive the previous century...have a massive stock market crash..."

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"Speak for yourself in life. And don’t be a follower of people like Tiki because you think it makes you look cool. It really doesn’t."

"I'm thinking about engaging a lawyer."

Which jagoffs are we talking about?

Posted by uofi1998 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=uofi1998' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 21, 2025, 12:09:44, in reply to "100%. We'll get to relive the mistakes of the past because jagoffs refuse to learn lessons from it.*"

Since we have been reduced to binary tribalism, it strikes me the jagoffs we vote for are just the lesser of 2 evils, none of whom actually want to help people as individuals... even those who start with the best intentions are corruptible once they reach a certain point.

People tend to empower the guy/gal who's leading their team at any given time... until the binary hold of American politics is broken, this is all just flinging monkey feces at one another.

Who wants Arbys?

You hear me talking, hillbilly boy?

An overwhelming majority of Americans that have little to no understanding of our own history.

Posted by KingTalkyTiki <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=KingTalkyTiki' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 21, 2025, 12:22:06, in reply to "Which jagoffs are we talking about?"

Regardless of party....but I'm sure new whitewashed (pun only slightly intended) museums will fix all that.

Sidejack: Watched the first episode or two of the HBO show where three families try to live like 1880s homesteaders.

The amount of ignorance by some of the adults (successful and highly educated) on what modern convivences didn't exist to the people of the 1800s is baffling (No, there wasn't two-ply toilet paper and modern toilets on the frontier in the 1880s!)

So no, I don't expect most people to understand who how financial policies of the 1920s let to the necessity of the New Deal of the 1930s.

Though I used to used to expect the POTUS to understand the systematic problems and massive inequalities of the Gilded Age, and not think it was the Apex of American history that we should be trying to work our way back to.

"Speak for yourself in life. And don’t be a follower of people like Tiki because you think it makes you look cool. It really doesn’t."

"I'm thinking about engaging a lawyer."

Unfortunately, we have reached the point where we only care about 10-second IG snippets*

Posted by uofi1998 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=uofi1998' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 21, 2025, 13:11:39, in reply to "An overwhelming majority of Americans that have little to no understanding of our own history."

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Regardless of party....but I'm sure new whitewashed (pun only slightly intended) museums will fix all that. Sidejack: Watched the first episode or two of the HBO show where three families try to live like 1880s homesteaders.

The amount of ignorance by some of the adults (successful and highly educated) on what modern convivences didn't exist to the people of the 1800s is baffling (No, there wasn't two-ply toilet paper and modern toilets on the frontier in the 1880s!)

So no, I don't expect most people to understand who how financial policies of the 1920s let to the necessity of the New Deal of the 1930s.

Though I used to used to expect the POTUS to understand the systematic problems and massive inequalities of the Gilded Age, and not think it was the Apex of American history that we should be trying to work our way back to.

You hear me talking, hillbilly boy?

You mean... the inevitable on the horizon?*

Posted by uofi1998 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=uofi1998' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 21, 2025, 11:56:54, in reply to "On a more serious note...we relive the previous century...have a massive stock market crash..."

You hear me talking, hillbilly boy?

Seems as likely as anything else. *

Posted by haighter <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=haighter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 21, 2025, 11:58:45, in reply to "You mean... the inevitable on the horizon?*"

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Tangentially...I saw a stat the other day and it would take 10,000 years...

Posted by haighter <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=haighter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 21, 2025, 11:38:38, in reply to "OK... let's run with that... then what?"

...making 100K a year and not spending a penny of it to make 1 billion dollars.

10,000 years at 100K a year to become a billionaire on wages alone yet these same billionaires argue against not only a living wage but a minimum wage as well.

Math ain't mathing. Not only that...it's unsustainable.

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Welcome to the revolution, comrade*

Posted by ATL <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ATL' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 21, 2025, 11:42:20, in reply to "Tangentially...I saw a stat the other day and it would take 10,000 years..."

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“We are old and tired and just want to be taken care of.” - Republican voter, Dec. 2024.

According to who?*

Posted by CoronaTheirAss <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=CoronaTheirAss' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 21, 2025, 7:07:24, in reply to "but as repeatedly stated, biden was the most pro labor president in generations"

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Modern propaganda media at its finest. It works.*

Posted by voiceofreason <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=voiceofreason' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 17:08:11, in reply to "but as repeatedly stated, biden was the most pro labor president in generations"

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For sure, I'm not sure there is ANY way to save small town America.*

Posted by Warrin'_Illini $<iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Warrin\'_Illini' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'>$ on August 20, 2025, 16:47:25, in reply to "Everybody has pushed for globalization because it's the economically smart thing to do."

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I don't see that as a partisan issue at all... IIRC, that is called comparative advantage... gotta go back in the ol' memory bank for that one.

Calendar time for Buddy!

Was gonna say...NAFTA happened while Clinton was President, didn't it? *

Posted by haighter <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=haighter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 16:45:53, in reply to "Everybody has pushed for globalization because it's the economically smart thing to do."

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I don't see that as a partisan issue at all... IIRC, that is called comparative advantage... gotta go back in the ol' memory bank for that one.

NAFTA was signed by Bush I*

Posted by ATL <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ATL' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 18:11:36, in reply to "Was gonna say...NAFTA happened while Clinton was President, didn't it? *"

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I don't see that as a partisan issue at all... IIRC, that is called comparative advantage... gotta go back in the ol' memory bank for that one.

“We are old and tired and just want to be taken care of.” - Republican voter, Dec. 2024.

Yeah

Posted by Chuck Woodaby <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Chuck+Woodaby' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 20:09:45, in reply to "NAFTA was signed by Bush I*"

Lol

Posted by ATL <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ATL' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 21, 2025, 6:21:21, in reply to "Yeah"

Lol

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“We are old and tired and just want to be taken care of.” - Republican voter, Dec. 2024.

Not sure if you're aware, but saying lol a lot does not make you look smart.*

Posted by Stu <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Stu' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 21, 2025, 9:20:35, in reply to "Lol"

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Lol

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THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THE MATTER!*

Posted by ATL <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ATL' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 21, 2025, 10:28:19, in reply to "Not sure if you're aware, but saying lol a lot does not make you look smart.*"

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Lol

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“We are old and tired and just want to be taken care of.” - Republican voter, Dec. 2024.

The treaty was signed under Bush 1, ratified under Clinton, right?*

Posted by gvibes <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=gvibes' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 20:13:09, in reply to "Yeah"

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entirely negotiated by Bush, signed and submitted for ratification by Bush in December 92

Posted by assassin <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=assassin' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 20:16:43, in reply to "The treaty was signed under Bush 1, ratified under Clinton, right?*"

signed into law a year later in December 1993 after 2 side additions.

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Brandon Schrock of Laredo, Texas, told the federal government that his employer was “poop,” and his occupation was “pooper.”

"entirely negotiated"

Slow down.

Rahmbo would like a word.

That’s right…I was a yute but remember Ross “Giant Sucking Sound” Perot. *

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I don't see that as a partisan issue at all... IIRC, that is called comparative advantage... gotta go back in the ol' memory bank for that one.

Well, people think Biden closed the country down during COVID, so…..*

Posted by ATL <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ATL' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 19:10:54, in reply to "That’s right…I was a yute but remember Ross “Giant Sucking Sound” Perot. *"

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I don't see that as a partisan issue at all... IIRC, that is called comparative advantage... gotta go back in the ol' memory bank for that one.

“We are old and tired and just want to be taken care of.” - Republican voter, Dec. 2024.

NAFTA isn't the problem, everything that happened via NAFTA was inevitable

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 18:03:06, in reply to "Was gonna say...NAFTA happened while Clinton was President, didn't it? *"

it just became an easy scapegoat.

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I don't see that as a partisan issue at all... IIRC, that is called comparative advantage... gotta go back in the ol' memory bank for that one.

And they’re racists too. Right, Tiki? *

Posted by jjlocke923 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=jjlocke923' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 16:18:14, in reply to "There’s an enormous number of working class people…"

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I don't know enough about what happened here to understand how it all plays together, but there is something more there

Proud Winner of the 2024 Deuce ROY Award

the irony of this is delightful. I'll let you see if you can figure out why*

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 21, 2025, 9:19:11, in reply to "And they’re racists too. Right, Tiki? *"

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I don't know enough about what happened here to understand how it all plays together, but there is something more there

"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

they’ve been fooled

Posted by memyselfandillini <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=memyselfandillini' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 16:51:36, in reply to "And they’re racists too. Right, Tiki? *"

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I don't know enough about what happened here to understand how it all plays together, but there is something more there

The people who took their jobs and tax dollars…

Posted by SurfTheBoneyard <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=SurfTheBoneyard' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 17:06:39, in reply to "they’ve been fooled"

Are the people telling them that brown and black people took their jobs and tax dollars.

But I am from that area specifically and have family there so don’t even tell me racism isn’t a factor. I’ve seen and heard it firsthand.

There were sundown towns in Illinois for 100+ years so the racism isn’t a modern construct.

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I don't know enough about what happened here to understand how it all plays together, but there is something more there

Sky Marshal of the Luftwaffle

“Surf is just a national treasure.” — Jackie

dots

Posted by Chicago1995 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Chicago1995' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 16:40:55, in reply to "And they’re racists too. Right, Tiki? *"

https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/msg/1755715245.html

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I don't know enough about what happened here to understand how it all plays together, but there is something more there

dots

https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/msg/1755715332.html

"Speak for yourself in life. And don’t be a follower of people like Tiki because you think it makes you look cool. It really doesn’t."

"I'm thinking about engaging a lawyer."

This is a pretty good distillation of Trump

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 15:25:50, in reply to "I know we've discussed this before, but I'm still grasping with the good people voting for Trump"

https://x.com/SethAbramson/status/1958000377514627435

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I don't know enough about what happened here to understand how it all plays together, but there is something more there

I'm somewhere in here. I like to see the good in most people but becoming increasingly harder to

Posted by DiamondDazzle <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=DiamondDazzle' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 14:08:45, in reply to "I know we've discussed this before, but I'm still grasping with the good people voting for Trump"

see the good in people who voted for Trump.....again.

most of them have good in them, but it's entirely negated by enabling this

Posted by Sammich <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sammich' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 14:35:05, in reply to "I'm somewhere in here. I like to see the good in most people but becoming increasingly harder to "

whether they did it because they agreed with him on everything or because they thought he would bring financial security is irrelevant

voting for Trump in 2024 doesn't make you a bad person, but it effectively invalidates any claim you have to being a good one

strolling through the crowd like Peter Lorre contemplating a crime

this is a more diplomatic way to put it. *

Posted by assassin <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=assassin' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 14:37:19, in reply to "most of them have good in them, but it's entirely negated by enabling this"

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Brandon Schrock of Laredo, Texas, told the federal government that his employer was “poop,” and his occupation was “pooper.”

Good for you. Every case is different and people shouldn't be judged *strictly* on whether

Posted by jjlocke923 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=jjlocke923' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 14:14:25, in reply to "I'm somewhere in here. I like to see the good in most people but becoming increasingly harder to "

they voted for a particular person or not. You seem like someone who has good judgement and a good heart, and wouldn't exclude someone from their life for that single reason.

Proud Winner of the 2024 Deuce ROY Award

Mostly agree unless that person is Trump. He said for months what he was gonna do.

Posted by doubledown <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=doubledown' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 14:26:13, in reply to "Good for you. Every case is different and people shouldn't be judged *strictly* on whether"

And now he’s doing it. And this is after previously being arguably the most incompetent president in US history.

To vote for him, you’d have to be ok with all of that in exchange for getting whatever benefit you expected him to grant you.

Now of course nobody is purely good or purely bad, but accepting cash in exchange for looking the other way on all the crime, abuse, and corruption is kind of a big hash mark in the “bad” column.

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they voted for a particular person or not. You seem like someone who has good judgement and a good heart, and wouldn't exclude someone from their life for that single reason.

We now have a decade of data on Trump

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 14:10:28, in reply to "I'm somewhere in here. I like to see the good in most people but becoming increasingly harder to "

it's not remotely ambiguously anymore.

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see the good in people who voted for Trump.....again.

I just can't do the blanket of 'everyone who voted for Trump is a bad person'.

Posted by DiamondDazzle <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=DiamondDazzle' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 14:18:42, in reply to "We now have a decade of data on Trump"

I get it. But I just can't.

I can't either, but man it's hard

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 14:21:04, in reply to "I just can't do the blanket of 'everyone who voted for Trump is a bad person'. "

My observation is that it's often just willful ignorance, and that is also pretty inexcusable.

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I get it. But I just can't.

zero good people voted for Trump a 3rd time.

Posted by assassin <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=assassin' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 13:19:02, in reply to "I know we've discussed this before, but I'm still grasping with the good people voting for Trump"

they announced every single thing they're doing now in advance, and are doing it. he was a convicted felon, civilly liable rapist, proven swindler, con man and crook, and you did it anyway. it's black and white.

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I don't know enough about what happened here to understand how it all plays together, but there is something more there

Brandon Schrock of Laredo, Texas, told the federal government that his employer was “poop,” and his occupation was “pooper.”

This country, and frankly, the Dems, are doomed if they continue to think this way*

Posted by Chilango <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Chilango' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 14:11:16, in reply to "zero good people voted for Trump a 3rd time. "

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I don't know enough about what happened here to understand how it all plays together, but there is something more there

I know that you're mostly correct

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 14:22:19, in reply to "This country, and frankly, the Dems, are doomed if they continue to think this way*"

But JFC what are we supposed to do when half of the country is in a cult and doesn't know it.

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I don't know enough about what happened here to understand how it all plays together, but there is something more there

This is a great example of the problem.

Posted by Chilango <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Chilango' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 15:14:08, in reply to "I know that you're mostly correct"

It's not half the country.
It's easier to claim cult than think at least a portion sees things differently than you.
Even if a cult, that's not how you fix things.

You want to yell cult. That's all.

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But JFC what are we supposed to do when half of the country is in a cult and doesn't know it.

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I don't know enough about what happened here to understand how it all plays together, but there is something more there

The thing is we can’t understand how anyone can’t see greed, corruption,

Posted by memyselfandillini <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=memyselfandillini' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 16:49:01, in reply to "This is a great example of the problem."

lies, and a guy who would rather screw your wife than shake your hand. We can’t see how people can turn a blind eye to unfettered, pointless, hateful racism, seemingly for racisms sake. We can’t see how cruelty and snide sarcasm is endearing. We can’t understand how behaviors and decisions that never help the poor and middle class are adored and praised. At best he’s done little or nothing to help 90% of his voters. There is no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, and he will be the first to tell you that. At worst, he’s not done yet and tariffs + inflation + the kings penchant for autocracy is going to lead to chaos. Maybe some people think the guys with all the guns are going to be the last ones standing, and you could well be right. But it is really, really, really hard to look at all of that and say, yeah, but he really stands for something, and the Democrats can’t see it. How is it possible
to look at this vulture, and dub him peacock?

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It's not half the country.
It's easier to claim cult than think at least a portion sees things differently than you.
Even if a cult, that's not how you fix things.

You want to yell cult. That's all.

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But JFC what are we supposed to do when half of the country is in a cult and doesn't know it.

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I don't know enough about what happened here to understand how it all plays together, but there is something more there

I totally understand.

Posted by Chilango <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Chilango' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 21, 2025, 7:38:43, in reply to "The thing is we can’t understand how anyone can’t see greed, corruption,"

I just think that the Dems need a better plan on how to win people over than the Leopards Ate My Face approach.

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It's not half the country.
It's easier to claim cult than think at least a portion sees things differently than you.
Even if a cult, that's not how you fix things.

You want to yell cult. That's all.

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But JFC what are we supposed to do when half of the country is in a cult and doesn't know it.

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I don't know enough about what happened here to understand how it all plays together, but there is something more there

Just because it's not in our best interest to point it out

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 15:21:05, in reply to "This is a great example of the problem."

doesn't mean that it's not true. You're correct that it's not half the country, but hardcore MAGA, the people who actually attend the rallies and were there on January 6th, is absolutely a cult.

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It's not half the country.
It's easier to claim cult than think at least a portion sees things differently than you.
Even if a cult, that's not how you fix things.

You want to yell cult. That's all.

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But JFC what are we supposed to do when half of the country is in a cult and doesn't know it.

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I don't know enough about what happened here to understand how it all plays together, but there is something more there

Pointing it out does nothing, that's the issue.

Posted by Chilango <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Chilango' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 21, 2025, 7:39:24, in reply to "Just because it's not in our best interest to point it out"

It may even harden positions into those that make no sense.

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doesn't mean that it's not true. You're correct that it's not half the country, but hardcore MAGA, the people who actually attend the rallies and were there on January 6th, is absolutely a cult.

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It's not half the country.
It's easier to claim cult than think at least a portion sees things differently than you.
Even if a cult, that's not how you fix things.

You want to yell cult. That's all.

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But JFC what are we supposed to do when half of the country is in a cult and doesn't know it.

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I don't know enough about what happened here to understand how it all plays together, but there is something more there

Great question. What are *we* supposed to do? *

Posted by jjlocke923 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=jjlocke923' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 14:23:56, in reply to "I know that you're mostly correct"

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But JFC what are we supposed to do when half of the country is in a cult and doesn't know it.

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I don't know enough about what happened here to understand how it all plays together, but there is something more there

Proud Winner of the 2024 Deuce ROY Award

Seven words too many.

Posted by KingTalkyTiki <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=KingTalkyTiki' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 14:19:16, in reply to "This country, and frankly, the Dems, are doomed if they continue to think this way*"

Our government operated on gentlemen's agreements and unpublished norms that assumed anyone elected to President would be doing it for the good of country over self, and if not, he would be deposed by the pressure of the "good" people of the country.

Those safeties have mostly been removed, and I expect the any left will fall before 2026.

The "United" in USA is strictly semantic at this point.

Eat Arby's.

"Speak for yourself in life. And don’t be a follower of people like Tiki because you think it makes you look cool. It really doesn’t."

"I'm thinking about engaging a lawyer."

The founding fathers actually expected a madman to eventually make his way to President

what they didn't count on was that the legislature and judiciary would be implicit.

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yeah, probably*

Posted by assassin <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=assassin' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 14:13:32, in reply to "This country, and frankly, the Dems, are doomed if they continue to think this way*"

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I don't know enough about what happened here to understand how it all plays together, but there is something more there

Brandon Schrock of Laredo, Texas, told the federal government that his employer was “poop,” and his occupation was “pooper.”

Showing voters how you think they're wrong will never work*

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I don't know enough about what happened here to understand how it all plays together, but there is something more there

I'm not exactly advocating for "You're a horrible person for empowering Stephen Miller"

Posted by assassin <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=assassin' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 14:19:38, in reply to "Showing voters how you think they're wrong will never work*"

as a platform.

I think it's a fact and I stand by it, but it's not supposed to be something you make any policy choices on.

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I don't know enough about what happened here to understand how it all plays together, but there is something more there

Brandon Schrock of Laredo, Texas, told the federal government that his employer was “poop,” and his occupation was “pooper.”

Agreed*

Posted by Chilango <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Chilango' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 14:21:50, in reply to "I'm not exactly advocating for "You're a horrible person for empowering Stephen Miller""

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as a platform.

I think it's a fact and I stand by it, but it's not supposed to be something you make any policy choices on.

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I don't know enough about what happened here to understand how it all plays together, but there is something more there

My dad did

Posted by GrandmotherPearlsJam <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=GrandmotherPearlsJam' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 13:30:18, in reply to "zero good people voted for Trump a 3rd time. "

He's a good person. Great father. Unfortunately, he's also as cheap as they come, so when I bring up all the awful shit that Trump is doing, his response is "yeah, it's somewhat troubling, but at least my 401k is doing well."

It doesn't affect him directly and until it does, he won't see how truly terrible it all is.

Wow - this pileon subthread is brutal. Fwiw, I believe you when you say your dad is a

good person and a great father. Some of these comments are unnecessary and hurtful, and I know that Tiki is judging you for continuing to have a relationship with your dad. Sorry GPJ.

Proud Winner of the 2024 Deuce ROY Award

I don't need your disingenuous troll ass defending me

Posted by GrandmotherPearlsJam <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=GrandmotherPearlsJam' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 14:01:50, in reply to "Wow - this pileon subthread is brutal. Fwiw, I believe you when you say your dad is a "

Go lick a stormtroopers boot

*Snickers**

Posted by KingTalkyTiki <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=KingTalkyTiki' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 14:06:36, in reply to "I don't need your disingenuous troll ass defending me"

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Go lick a stormtroopers boot

"Speak for yourself in life. And don’t be a follower of people like Tiki because you think it makes you look cool. It really doesn’t."

"I'm thinking about engaging a lawyer."

OOO

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 13:50:05, in reply to "Wow - this pileon subthread is brutal. Fwiw, I believe you when you say your dad is a "

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good person and a great father. Some of these comments are unnecessary and hurtful. Sorry GPJ.

What happened to your plan to "ice me out"? *

Posted by jjlocke923 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=jjlocke923' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 14:06:57, in reply to "OOO"

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good person and a great father. Some of these comments are unnecessary and hurtful. Sorry GPJ.

Proud Winner of the 2024 Deuce ROY Award

The person you just described is not a good person*

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 13:43:01, in reply to "My dad did"

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You don't know him, so forgive me if I ignore your opinion on this*

Posted by GrandmotherPearlsJam <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=GrandmotherPearlsJam' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 13:48:08, in reply to "The person you just described is not a good person*"

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Did you explain how the declining value of the dollar and the rise of inflation

Posted by longsnapper <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=longsnapper' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 17:08:14, in reply to "You don't know him, so forgive me if I ignore your opinion on this*"

Probably means your dad has lost value in his 401k?
And did you ask at what value or would have to sink in order for him to start caring?

The problem with "well my 401k is going up" is that it's just another way to say "fuck you, I got mine," except now, it's also a way to say "fuck you, I was told I got mine so I'll blindly believe it, but don't really know how the economy functions, have no idea the long term effects of the weakening USD, don't give a fuck about anyone other than my immediate family, but that doesn't include my grandkids. But 401k goes up so good"

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Lots of puns, no real answers

I don’t think that is fair to put words in GPJ’s dad’s mouth. You don’t know him *

Posted by jjlocke923 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=jjlocke923' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 18:01:52, in reply to "Did you explain how the declining value of the dollar and the rise of inflation"

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Proud Winner of the 2024 Deuce ROY Award

I know a lot of people who voted for Trump who think they are good people

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 13:50:40, in reply to "You don't know him, so forgive me if I ignore your opinion on this*"

Most of them are not.

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I think S&P 500 returns were basically identical for the trump and biden admins.

Posted by gvibes <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=gvibes' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 13:39:10, in reply to "My dad did"

Before then, for a while, dem admins outperformed pub admins. https://www.macrotrends.net/2482/sp500-performance-by-president

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Now control for the value of the $USD. The market is down this year.*

Posted by longsnapper <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=longsnapper' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 16:59:20, in reply to "I think S&P 500 returns were basically identical for the trump and biden admins."

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Before then, for a while, dem admins outperformed pub admins. https://www.macrotrends.net/2482/sp500-performance-by-president

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Lots of puns, no real answers

Yeah, that's where the Fox News propaganda comes in. *

Posted by illini <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=illini' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 13:52:03, in reply to "I think S&P 500 returns were basically identical for the trump and biden admins."

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Before then, for a while, dem admins outperformed pub admins. https://www.macrotrends.net/2482/sp500-performance-by-president

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we'll agree to disagree then, but, i stand by all of my points.

Posted by assassin <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=assassin' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 13:37:10, in reply to "My dad did"

you knowingly voted to hurt a lot of people, destroy years of medical research, walk back the rights of all manner of people at the cost of what? your own pocketbook?

and there's no excuse for not knowing ANY of it. that's a stain on your soul that doesn't come off, but that's just my opinion.

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Brandon Schrock of Laredo, Texas, told the federal government that his employer was “poop,” and his occupation was “pooper.”

I don't disagree, but also think it's more nuanced.

Posted by GrandmotherPearlsJam <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=GrandmotherPearlsJam' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 13:47:21, in reply to "we'll agree to disagree then, but, i stand by all of my points. "

My dad is a great person in all other respects. And I've lost some respect for him in all this. I think there are a lot of people like him that are purely voting for the letter after the name.

But he's still my dad and at the end of the day all I can hope is he will eventually see the light on this topic.

yeah, I don't wanna fight you on it or pile on.

Posted by assassin <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=assassin' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 13:52:50, in reply to "I don't disagree, but also think it's more nuanced."

I just disagree. it's fine. it's your dad and you love him.

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Brandon Schrock of Laredo, Texas, told the federal government that his employer was “poop,” and his occupation was “pooper.”

Trump has cost me a couple of friendships

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 13:57:18, in reply to "yeah, I don't wanna fight you on it or pile on. "

and that has never happened before with any other politician. People don't seem to realize that it's not an issue of politican ideology, it's a matter of a completely being bereft of basic human decency.

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I just disagree. it's fine. it's your dad and you love him.

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It was nuanced in 2016, much less so in 2024

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 13:51:38, in reply to "I don't disagree, but also think it's more nuanced."

My father and sister are Trump voters, I get it.

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Wait, GPJ's father is Throwsize?!?

Posted by KingTalkyTiki <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=KingTalkyTiki' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 13:39:14, in reply to "we'll agree to disagree then, but, i stand by all of my points. "

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"Speak for yourself in life. And don’t be a follower of people like Tiki because you think it makes you look cool. It really doesn’t."

"I'm thinking about engaging a lawyer."

Throwsize! *

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Got some bad news for you. *

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I know it's your dad and all, so apologies in advance...

In my book, a "Good person" usually posses some shred of...I don't know....empathy.

So consider me skeptical.

"Speak for yourself in life. And don’t be a follower of people like Tiki because you think it makes you look cool. It really doesn’t."

"I'm thinking about engaging a lawyer."

He has empathy. But like a lot of people, it only extends to those he knows

Posted by GrandmotherPearlsJam <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=GrandmotherPearlsJam' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 13:52:19, in reply to "I know it's your dad and all, so apologies in advance..."

No one in his middle class suburban neighborhood is being impacted by the decisions being made, at least not directly, so its hard for him to see things differently.

Again, it really isn't "hard for him to see things differently" especially in this day and age.

Posted by KingTalkyTiki <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=KingTalkyTiki' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 13:55:48, in reply to "He has empathy. But like a lot of people, it only extends to those he knows"

In the history of man, there's never been more outlets to see how other people that live, love, and look differently than then him are doing, feeling, and being impacted. He just choses not to.

I get it, it's your dad...but you're just making excuses for him.

"Speak for yourself in life. And don’t be a follower of people like Tiki because you think it makes you look cool. It really doesn’t."

"I'm thinking about engaging a lawyer."

It's also easier than ever to sit in echo chamber

Posted by GrandmotherPearlsJam <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=GrandmotherPearlsJam' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 14:06:47, in reply to " Again, it really isn't "hard for him to see things differently" especially in this day and age."

My siblings and I discuss things with him in the hopes it will give him a perspective other than his own. Sometimes it's successful, sometimes not. I'm not going to stop trying or stop loving him in the meantime.

I've dropped MAGA friends. Not worth the argument. And to be fair, I just made the assumption they are terrible people and cut them out of my life. But I'm not going to do that with my dad. Trump has ruined numerous other aspects of everyday life, I'm not going yo let it ruin otherwise good relationships with immediate family.

I have a couple of friends

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 14:08:45, in reply to "It's also easier than ever to sit in echo chamber"

who literally will not interact with anyone whatsoever who voted for Trump. I just don't understand that level of dogma.

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I totally get it....more than you know at this very moment.

Posted by KingTalkyTiki <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=KingTalkyTiki' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 14:08:42, in reply to "It's also easier than ever to sit in echo chamber"

You gotta do what you gotta do to get yourself through this fucking nightmare of a regime.

"Speak for yourself in life. And don’t be a follower of people like Tiki because you think it makes you look cool. It really doesn’t."

"I'm thinking about engaging a lawyer."

You are a good man. Family is #1 *

Posted by jjlocke923 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=jjlocke923' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 14:08:05, in reply to "It's also easier than ever to sit in echo chamber"

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Wow. Your pre-edit version was particularly mean-spirited. I kinda hope GPJ didn't see it :( *

Posted by jjlocke923 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=jjlocke923' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 13:57:57, in reply to " Again, it really isn't "hard for him to see things differently" especially in this day and age."

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I didn't and wouldn't care otherwise. Tiki seems like a decent dude and conversations

Posted by GrandmotherPearlsJam <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=GrandmotherPearlsJam' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 14:09:43, in reply to "Wow. Your pre-edit version was particularly mean-spirited. I kinda hope GPJ didn't see it :( *"

About wannabe dictators showing authoritarian and fascist tendencies tend to raise emotions.

I can see how you wouldn't get that, because you're a cunt

*Fistbump**

Posted by KingTalkyTiki <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=KingTalkyTiki' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 14:20:27, in reply to "I didn't and wouldn't care otherwise. Tiki seems like a decent dude and conversations"

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About wannabe dictators showing authoritarian and fascist tendencies tend to raise emotions.

I can see how you wouldn't get that, because you're a cunt*

"Speak for yourself in life. And don’t be a follower of people like Tiki because you think it makes you look cool. It really doesn’t."

"I'm thinking about engaging a lawyer."

OOO

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 14:02:29, in reply to "Wow. Your pre-edit version was particularly mean-spirited. I kinda hope GPJ didn't see it :( *"

https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/msg/1755715805.html

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This is a core fundamental aspect of Trump and MAGA

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 13:54:09, in reply to "He has empathy. But like a lot of people, it only extends to those he knows"

They literally view the people who Trump is hurting as lesser, even sub human in some cases.

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No one in his middle class suburban neighborhood is being impacted by the decisions being made, at least not directly, so its hard for him to see things differently.

He must be racist. Right Tiki? *

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May not be a "racist"

Posted by Chicago1995 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Chicago1995' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 13:40:45, in reply to "He must be racist. Right Tiki? *"

but racism isn't a dealbreaker, either.

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REALLY lock it up now, Brum*

Posted by KingTalkyTiki <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=KingTalkyTiki' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 13:42:12, in reply to "May not be a "racist""

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but racism isn't a dealbreaker, either.

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"Speak for yourself in life. And don’t be a follower of people like Tiki because you think it makes you look cool. It really doesn’t."

"I'm thinking about engaging a lawyer."

My parents are basically single issue (abortion) evangelical and habitual straight ticket voters,

Posted by gvibes <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=gvibes' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 13:26:17, in reply to "zero good people voted for Trump a 3rd time. "

and even they didn't vote for Trump.

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My parents were straight ticket GOP voters for decades. They voted for Hillary, and Biden

Posted by IlliniRunner <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=IlliniRunner' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 13:28:51, in reply to "My parents are basically single issue (abortion) evangelical and habitual straight ticket voters,"

My dad especially is disgusted by what they have become.

So now that they have "won" the abortion issue will their voting patterns change?*

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 13:28:00, in reply to "My parents are basically single issue (abortion) evangelical and habitual straight ticket voters,"

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and even they didn't vote for Trump.

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I don't know enough about what happened here to understand how it all plays together, but there is something more there

I think they will still generally vote republican. Just not someone they view as an exceptional

Posted by gvibes <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=gvibes' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 13:37:33, in reply to "So now that they have "won" the abortion issue will their voting patterns change?*"

buffoon and scumbag.

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and even they didn't vote for Trump.

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I don't know enough about what happened here to understand how it all plays together, but there is something more there

Though their pickleball league is like 80% gay, so their stance on that is nearly progressive now*

Posted by gvibes <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=gvibes' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 13:54:38, in reply to "I think they will still generally vote republican. Just not someone they view as an exceptional "

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buffoon and scumbag.

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and even they didn't vote for Trump.

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I don't know enough about what happened here to understand how it all plays together, but there is something more there

It's amazing what exposure to people different than you

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 14:00:53, in reply to "Though their pickleball league is like 80% gay, so their stance on that is nearly progressive now*"

can do to one's perception. As they say, sunlight is the best disenfectant.

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buffoon and scumbag.

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and even they didn't vote for Trump.

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Point of Order: They only got it thrown back to the states.

Posted by KingTalkyTiki <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=KingTalkyTiki' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 13:30:26, in reply to "So now that they have "won" the abortion issue will their voting patterns change?*"

....and that was only the finish line when they had to make it sound palatable to the overwhelming majority of their fellow voters who disagreed with a complete ban.

"Speak for yourself in life. And don’t be a follower of people like Tiki because you think it makes you look cool. It really doesn’t."

"I'm thinking about engaging a lawyer."

LBK's 99 yo Grandmother had voted for GOP presidential candidates starting with Dewey in '48

Posted by KingTalkyTiki <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=KingTalkyTiki' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 13:27:48, in reply to "My parents are basically single issue (abortion) evangelical and habitual straight ticket voters,"

She couldn't even pull the lever for him in '16, let alone in '24.

"Speak for yourself in life. And don’t be a follower of people like Tiki because you think it makes you look cool. It really doesn’t."

"I'm thinking about engaging a lawyer."

Yup.

Posted by KingTalkyTiki <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=KingTalkyTiki' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 13:23:54, in reply to "zero good people voted for Trump a 3rd time. "

Could forgive for #1.

Couldn't understand #2, but didn't matter.

#3? After January 6th?

Fascist piece of shit, rock fucking stupid, virulent racist, or a reprehensible blend of all three.

"Speak for yourself in life. And don’t be a follower of people like Tiki because you think it makes you look cool. It really doesn’t."

"I'm thinking about engaging a lawyer."

"you forgot ugly, lazy, and disrespectful" *

Posted by jjlocke923 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=jjlocke923' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 13:21:15, in reply to "zero good people voted for Trump a 3rd time. "

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Proud Winner of the 2024 Deuce ROY Award

There is a subset of people who just vote for the colors, no matter what.

Posted by uofi1998 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=uofi1998' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 12:42:27, in reply to "I know we've discussed this before, but I'm still grasping with the good people voting for Trump"

It would be super cool if political parties just ceased to exist, and people would have to actually earn votes again.

I also have a recurring nightmare about a foot growing out of my stomach, and that's infinitely more likely to come true.

You hear me talking, hillbilly boy?

I would argue that those folks aren't "good". At best they've surrendered they moral agency

Posted by IlliniRunner <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=IlliniRunner' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 12:46:59, in reply to "There is a subset of people who just vote for the colors, no matter what."

and at worst, they're ok with what happened the first time around, and want more of it.

Not sure why you'd argue anything.

Posted by uofi1998 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=uofi1998' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 12:57:23, in reply to "I would argue that those folks aren't "good". At best they've surrendered they moral agency"

I think you'd be incredibly surprised how many people vote straight colors, regardless of who the person is.

Or, maybe you wouldn't... IDK...

Either way... the whole thing is so preposterously stupid, and designed to make us fight each other instead of voting our actual belief systems.

You hear me talking, hillbilly boy?

I'm guessing your "moral agency" finds you to be a near straight ticket Dem? *

Posted by haighter <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=haighter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 12:48:38, in reply to "I would argue that those folks aren't "good". At best they've surrendered they moral agency"

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and at worst, they're ok with what happened the first time around, and want more of it.

I was 11 years old when Goldwater won the Republican nomination opposing the Civil Rights Act.

Posted by larue33 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=larue33' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 14:14:10, in reply to "I'm guessing your "moral agency" finds you to be a near straight ticket Dem? *"

Most every year since then the Party has expanded on its embrace of racism. I've never voted for a Republican and I never will.

I don't have any issue with that. I have an issue with people decrying straight ticket voting...

Posted by haighter <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=haighter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 14:17:20, in reply to "I was 11 years old when Goldwater won the Republican nomination opposing the Civil Rights Act. "

...when they, themselves, are basically or actually straight ticket voters.

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Most every year since then the Party has expanded on its embrace of racism. I've never voted for a Republican and I never will.

Ah, I see. I'm not decrying straight ticket voting.

Posted by IlliniRunner <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=IlliniRunner' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 16:12:43, in reply to "I don't have any issue with that. I have an issue with people decrying straight ticket voting..."

If you were straight ticket voting for the GOP in the 90's you'd still have to reckon with a lot of regressive and frankly racist things in their platform and legislative and governing record. But they were still a "normal" party, with a dedication to democracy.

Now, though, it's a whole different story. And if you're still voting for them because you're a straight ticket voter and always voted for the party, well, let's just say you're not here for the hunting.

Given the current states of the two parties, yes.

Posted by IlliniRunner <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=IlliniRunner' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 13:27:44, in reply to "I'm guessing your "moral agency" finds you to be a near straight ticket Dem? *"

The current GOP is all-in on what this administration is doing. Would you argue otherwise?

I'm more curious about historically. Big split ticket voter? *

Posted by haighter <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=haighter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 13:33:46, in reply to "Given the current states of the two parties, yes. "

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The current GOP is all-in on what this administration is doing. Would you argue otherwise?

eggs were expensive, we had to wear masks, and kids were kept out of schools during a pandemic*

Posted by IlliniRunner <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=IlliniRunner' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 12:16:04, in reply to "I know we've discussed this before, but I'm still grasping with the good people voting for Trump"

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I don't know enough about what happened here to understand how it all plays together, but there is something more there

How long were your kids out of school?*

Posted by IlliniOllie <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=IlliniOllie' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 13:05:32, in reply to "eggs were expensive, we had to wear masks, and kids were kept out of schools during a pandemic*"

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I don't know enough about what happened here to understand how it all plays together, but there is something more there

that's not a very forward looking 'gotcha' you attempted*

Posted by assassin <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=assassin' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 13:12:59, in reply to "How long were your kids out of school?*"

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I don't know enough about what happened here to understand how it all plays together, but there is something more there

Brandon Schrock of Laredo, Texas, told the federal government that his employer was “poop,” and his occupation was “pooper.”

I'm wondering if he heard the giant woosh*

Posted by IlliniRunner <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=IlliniRunner' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 13:30:26, in reply to "that's not a very forward looking 'gotcha' you attempted* "

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I don't know enough about what happened here to understand how it all plays together, but there is something more there

Are you still defending school closures and the way kids were treated in general during Covid?*

Posted by IlliniOllie <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=IlliniOllie' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 13:39:38, in reply to "I'm wondering if he heard the giant woosh*"

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March - June 2020*

Posted by ATL <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ATL' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 13:07:09, in reply to "How long were your kids out of school?*"

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“We are old and tired and just want to be taken care of.” - Republican voter, Dec. 2024.

Counterpoint, March 2020 - August 2021 *

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I don't know enough about what happened here to understand how it all plays together, but there is something more there

Oh and some folks were required to get a miraculous vaccine that protected us from a deadly disease*

Posted by IlliniRunner <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=IlliniRunner' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 12:17:00, in reply to "eggs were expensive, we had to wear masks, and kids were kept out of schools during a pandemic*"

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Same reason good non-slaveowning southerners died in the civil war fighting for an evil cause...

Posted by KingTalkyTiki <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=KingTalkyTiki' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 11:16:21, in reply to "I know we've discussed this before, but I'm still grasping with the good people voting for Trump"

Racism.

Lock it up, Brum.

"Speak for yourself in life. And don’t be a follower of people like Tiki because you think it makes you look cool. It really doesn’t."

"I'm thinking about engaging a lawyer."

You are probably right about the Civil War fighting, but I really don't think racism is that big

Posted by jjlocke923 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=jjlocke923' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 12:36:40, in reply to "Same reason good non-slaveowning southerners died in the civil war fighting for an evil cause..."

of a factor in why people voted for Trump. Actually, I'd go so far as to say that it wasn't a factor at all.

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Racism.

Lock it up, Brum.

Proud Winner of the 2024 Deuce ROY Award

So the campaign to erase minorities from our history, fire a large number of

Posted by larue33 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=larue33' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 12:41:47, in reply to "You are probably right about the Civil War fighting, but I really don't think racism is that big"

minorities from the high ranking jobs that they have earned, rename military bases for Confederate 'heroes', is motivated by what exactly?

KingTalkyTiki says that good people voted for Trump because they are racist.

Posted by jjlocke923 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=jjlocke923' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 12:48:47, in reply to "So the campaign to erase minorities from our history, fire a large number of "

And I'm saying that isn't true. The same people would have voted for him against white Biden. And the same people would have voted for him had horrible candidate Harris been white. Implying that it was because Trump voters are racist is lazy.

Proud Winner of the 2024 Deuce ROY Award

Yeah not at all *

Posted by cpsteine <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=cpsteine' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 12:40:00, in reply to "You are probably right about the Civil War fighting, but I really don't think racism is that big"

That is because you are very stupid or a bad faith troll. Likely both*

Posted by JacobRDaugherty <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=JacobRDaugherty' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 12:39:27, in reply to "You are probably right about the Civil War fighting, but I really don't think racism is that big"

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of a factor in why people voted for Trump. Actually, I'd go so far as to say that it wasn't a factor at all.

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Racism.

Lock it up, Brum.

Lock it up again, Brum*

Posted by KingTalkyTiki <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=KingTalkyTiki' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2025, 13:17:39, in reply to "That is because you are very stupid or a bad faith troll. Likely both*"

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of a factor in why people voted for Trump. Actually, I'd go so far as to say that it wasn't a factor at all.

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Racism.

Lock it up, Brum.

"Speak for yourself in life. And don’t be a follower of people like Tiki because you think it makes you look cool. It really doesn’t."

"I'm thinking about engaging a lawyer."

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