Trust takes years to build, seconds to break, and forever to repair.*
 Previous Message I think there’s a broad class of issues relating to alliances and international relations where it’s basically Humpty Dumpty. Trump broke things and even if we elect someone who really loves NATO and international organizations and our alliances, they won’t be able to restore things to the way they were. Once you wrap your Lamborghini around a light pole, taking your foot off the accelerator doesn’t turn it back into a functioning car. Then there is the damage that’s been done to federal capacity, to trust in government, to scientific research, etc. Here the damage is reparable, but again a change in leadership will not undue what was done. It will take a significant effort of an extended period of time, a decade or more, just to get us back to where we were in 2024. As far as our basic form of government, checks and balances, and the rise of an explicitly authoritarian central power, it’s possible you are right, but I don’t think these bells can be unrung. If the only reason the president isn’t able to rule as an authoritarian is because they don’t want to, that’s no longer really a democratic republic, and it’s not a sustainable system. I am also skeptical a Democratic president in 2028 (if it happens) will adopt the Biden/Garland head in the sand approach of pretending the last 4 years didn’t happen and everything is fine, as long as they mostly observe traditional norms. The Dem base will want blood, so the political prosecutions and abuses of power to advance party interests are likely to continue and be ratified by bipartisan adoption. [Edit: it’s also the case that any attempt to hold folks from the current administration accountable for criminal acts will be viewed as partisan abuse of the justice system. So you either try to enforce accountability which spins that flywheel faster, or else you give up on the idea which will reinforce the feeling of impunity that encourages abuses of power. This Gordian knot can only be untied if there’s a bipartisan consensus that actions taken were illegal and that the administration should be held accountable. And we simply don’t have that agreement.) I think it will take multiple constitutional amendments and possibly court packing to restore the government we thought the Constitution guaranteed. And I’m not optimistic we will have the leadership that would be required for that, at least until we’ve gone through a long enough cycle to where everybody has been attacked and oppressed enough to remember why individual rights and limited government are good ideas. Related to that, the national civic and political culture and society are completely broken and poisoned. Both sides hate each other and think the other side are evil and enemies of the state. Hard to have a functioning democracy given that background.  Previous Message  Previous Message …than any other person, trend, social movement, or historical event other than the Civil War and the Great Depression. (And I’m not even sure the Great Depression is ahead.) He has irrevocably eviscerated our national standing, alliance network, and soft power, squandering the carefully hoarded influence and relationships of 80 years. And he has pursued this goal not as a trade off to achieve some other desirable outcome, but as an end in itself. There has been no compensating benefit to offset the staggering damage his administration has inflicted to national power. Domestically, he has done grave and perhaps mortal damage to the basic democratic constitutional principles the government is founded on. He has run roughshod over the entire bill of rights and the separation of powers. He has done massive damage to the basic capacity of the federal government to function effectively and has largely eliminated the basic principle of the non-partisan civil service that serves the country rather than the whims of an autocrat. He has stoked division and dissent relentlessly, destroying the basic civic fabric of the nation. None of this is likely reversible on a timeline shorter than decades. And there is still huge downside risk as he marshalls the authoritarian power the Carl Schmitt acolytes on the Supreme Court have gifted him, and the self-interested supine Republican Congress has ceded to him, to undermine and eliminate democracy itself to ensure his continued rule through his continuing decline into advanced senility and dementia.  Previous Message
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Political thread for the week of February 2 (nm) - Orangeillini February 2, 2026, 8:34:15
- you know I think one is much worse than the other - ECEIllinois Today, 19:30:07
- Trump demands that he be awarded an olympic gold medal - Stu Today, 19:14:35
- Was just going to say that Trump will say something to mess up the ‘staffer’ narrative within 48 hrs - OB25 Today, 19:09:35
- oof even Rasmussen has Trump approvals at 41/57* - ECEIllinois Today, 15:42:01
- Anyone ever visited the Epstein subreddit? My goodness. - gullit Today, 15:16:38
- Bovino tossed from Vegas bar - ATL Today, 9:43:21
- Trump posts truth of Obamas as monkeys - Sounder Today, 5:34:37
- Video has been taken down. Official White House position is now: - GMAW Today, 11:32:36
- Feature, not a bug, for the fascists.* - KingTalkyTiki Today, 10:40:55
- It's not changing things for a single trump voter - ISeeDeadHawkeyes Today, 10:25:51
- Detract from the Epstein files* - TarheelIllini Today, 9:58:27
- A normal human being would issue a press statement that says "I re-posted the video late last night - GMAW Today, 8:57:51
- add it to the list of the literal hundreds of things he's done that would end anyone else's career* - VIV Today, 8:53:40
- Even by "Trump" standards this is awful. There really is no bottom* - LeatherneckIllini Today, 8:43:41
- The president is a racist. No way to defend this - TarheelIllini Today, 7:41:24
- TLDR - Sounder Today, 5:58:11
- Trump, a single human being, has done more damage to the United States… - DT Today, 7:01:01
- Tell us how you really feel - timmer Today, 7:26:23
- Counterpoint: Whenever he is gone, things will mostly go back to normal.* - Toonces Today, 7:25:17
- Oh, bless your heart.* - KingTalkyTiki Today, 10:46:37
- I’m not nearly that optimistic, for different reasons across the range of damage - DT Today, 9:56:07
- Trust takes years to build, seconds to break, and forever to repair.* - DocWalk20 Today, 10:44:24
- Republicans have clearly learned that this is the ticket to electoral success in the party - GMAW Today, 9:19:51
- This genie won’t go backing to the bottle very fast* - TarheelIllini Today, 8:58:43
- ooo - Sammich Today, 8:28:59
- There are plenty of grievances left to manufacture and mine * - ghost_of_clt Today, 7:44:26
- So TrumpRX appears to just be collating existing discounts/coupons?* - ECEIllinois Yesterday, 21:42:36
- I’m sad that all my life savings was in fartcoin - ATL Yesterday, 20:33:55
- Looks like Virginia is taking steps towards a redrawn map that should = +4 Dems - UofIL6 Yesterday, 19:30:36
- Layoffs. I still got my job G.* - Toonces Yesterday, 18:30:42
- Don't be allured by the big ol' socialist tetas - Sounder Yesterday, 18:14:53
- Trump wants his name on Dulles and Penn Station in exchange for releasing Gateway project funding* - ECEIllinois Yesterday, 17:15:49
- Chris Hayes w/ a scary idea: Maybe Trump nabbed Maduro to get him to admit to elec interference - IlliniRunner Yesterday, 12:58:17
- Hang it in the Louvre? - ATL Yesterday, 12:52:53
- Did we just skip over the brazen corruption of the UAE/ Trumpcoin/ AI chip deal? - VIV Yesterday, 9:44:00
- Trump is definitely going to pay himself to settle his own lawsuit, huh? - gvibes February 4, 2026, 22:05:15
- Yes. * - doubledown Yesterday, 9:15:22
- Brad Karp has stepped down as managing partner of Paul, Weiss * - ATL February 4, 2026, 20:32:56
- "we have been very tough on the waters"* - ECEIllinois February 4, 2026, 19:58:17
- My latest X annoyance: People constantly invoking grok. “@grok, is this true?” Etc. tiresome* - nash February 4, 2026, 17:59:39
- Melania pulled by humorless Amazon - Stu February 4, 2026, 17:14:29
- Whatever you do, DO NOT mention that Nancy Mace is a big time druggie - ATL February 4, 2026, 16:25:13
- Would. Strongly* - opossum jenkins February 4, 2026, 18:16:40
- lol* - UofIL6 February 4, 2026, 17:34:28
- Once again, JD Vance is absolutely loathsome - ECEIllinois February 4, 2026, 15:30:32
- *checks in on the GOP TX senate primary* - ATL February 4, 2026, 13:13:09
- Idiots in Iowa trying to ban bicycles. - doubledown February 4, 2026, 11:34:52
- So when does DJT (the company) launch the Trump Truth Tribune?* - timmer February 4, 2026, 11:02:35
- Looks like Bezos has successfully killed the Washington Post. Layoffs coming today. - ATL February 4, 2026, 9:10:29
- I apparently have a political tweet response that is doing numbers? - gvibes February 4, 2026, 0:32:42
- AUSA appears to have a breakdown in court - ATL February 3, 2026, 15:20:44
- hey is this normal? - ECEIllinois February 3, 2026, 15:19:41
- I read somewhere that the US Attorneys' office for the District of Minnesota is at about 1/3 normal - ATL February 3, 2026, 15:49:28
- She may not know it now but this is GOLD, Jerry, GOLD - timmer February 3, 2026, 15:26:59
- Sucks she's being forced to do that job at gunpoint* - ISeeDeadHawkeyes February 3, 2026, 15:23:23
- beat me by a minute * - ATL February 3, 2026, 15:21:09
- Mike Johnson parrots Trump's claims of election fraud b/c some (R) candidates were leading and lost - IlliniRunner February 3, 2026, 14:04:49
- Of course he’s gonna parrot Trump’s lies. They have a symbiotic relationship. * - doubledown February 3, 2026, 14:33:50
- these guys can't *all* be psychopaths - Sammich February 3, 2026, 14:11:32
- They're in politics...they just care about winning* - UofIL6 February 3, 2026, 14:37:10
- They all are. There is no shame. There will be no consequences. - Chuck Woodaby February 3, 2026, 14:18:10
- Stephen & Katie Miller will never be safe. No walks on the beach. No restaurants. No hiking in - complainant February 3, 2026, 16:15:04
- Grab me a jamocha shake.* - KingTalkyTiki February 3, 2026, 14:37:48
- I guess it's possible, with the self-selection of traits in Federal politics. - Sammich February 3, 2026, 14:24:28
- Yep, was just going to say this. No going backwards now.* - Warrin'_Illini February 3, 2026, 14:20:41
- Surely a coincidence.... - KingTalkyTiki February 3, 2026, 13:28:05
- This is insane? Like truly authoritarian dictator bullshit - John Coctostan February 3, 2026, 13:21:51
- Honestly, if you don't want government agents knocking on your door, don't commit the crime of - doubledown February 3, 2026, 13:59:16
- clickbait-ass tweet - Sammich February 3, 2026, 13:43:00
- Feature, not a bug for modern fascists.... - KingTalkyTiki February 3, 2026, 13:25:17
- Now you're starting to get it - Sounder February 3, 2026, 13:23:22
- The judge who restored TPS for Haitians had some words for Secretary Noem - larue33 February 3, 2026, 11:33:18
- French raid Paris office of X - Sounder February 3, 2026, 8:22:23
- not worth your time* - LeatherneckIllini February 3, 2026, 6:29:52
- Should be in last week's thread, but what the hell... - Sammich February 2, 2026, 20:11:45
- The most basic How to lie with statistics move ever - memyselfandillini February 3, 2026, 14:05:53
- lol* - cpsteine February 3, 2026, 8:23:16
- For some context, an increase of 1Mt represents what China makes in 10 hours* - timmer February 2, 2026, 21:22:35
- 1.24% increase!!! (Rounded up from 1.237%)* - timmer February 2, 2026, 21:11:16
- dotz - Sounder February 2, 2026, 22:44:14
- I believe that is called how to lie with charts* - Sounder February 2, 2026, 20:44:27
- Blanche wants you to know Republicans will fight for your right to party with pedos - ATL February 2, 2026, 19:31:06
- Ed Martin's reign of terror = Ed Martin. - complainant February 2, 2026, 19:17:25
- Naaaaaazis in Spaaaaaaaace - ATL February 2, 2026, 17:59:42
- Southern Illinois can be proud - larue33 February 2, 2026, 17:00:49
- Noem claims she has ordered ICE to wear body cams n MN* - Stu February 2, 2026, 16:31:49
- Hey timmer, that was quite the bloodbath today* - Stu February 2, 2026, 15:05:46
- TPUSA Halftime Show lineup is lit - Sounder February 2, 2026, 13:36:44
- imagine hosting a super bowl party and making your guests watch this at halftime* - ECEIllinois February 2, 2026, 15:27:13
- Hey! Combined they have nearly 57 Million Albums sold over their combined 82 years of performing! - KingTalkyTiki February 2, 2026, 15:26:33
- Wonder if Kid Rock will bring the pole dancers for this special performance.* - SurfTheBoneyard February 2, 2026, 15:18:30
- Are any of those channels available on normal cable or YTTV?* - timmer February 2, 2026, 14:37:22
- TBN* - Stu February 2, 2026, 17:42:57
- Erika Kirk Master of Ceremonies.* - Warrin'_Illini February 2, 2026, 13:46:50
- Trump calls into Dan Bongino - Sounder February 2, 2026, 12:33:16
- What a headline: "How Bernie Sanders built a device to give himself cosmos-shattering orgasms"* - ECEIllinois February 2, 2026, 11:23:06
- So am I to understand that the Right is upset that Helen of Troy is being played by a black woman? - ATL February 2, 2026, 10:25:30
- DI article on the shameful Illini republicans: - JeffFrank February 2, 2026, 9:08:34
- And there's a WSJ paywalled article about Tulsi Gabbard and a whistleblower complaint - larue33 February 2, 2026, 8:46:43
- This seems bad - Sounder February 2, 2026, 8:45:11
- There's a paywalled article about Nancy Mace on nymag that I can't access that is making waves* - Orangeillini February 2, 2026, 8:39:15
- Kind of meh* - gvibes February 2, 2026, 9:38:54
- Dotz - Sounder February 2, 2026, 8:49:04
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