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Are you thinking of Chicago State? That should be downsized before anything else*

Posted by IlliniOllie

on August 23, 2026, 22:55:46, in reply to "Um, uh; yea Circle? "

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From AI:

The following data outlines the stark difference in completion timelines between the two sister campuses:

-UIC (Chicago)
4-Year Graduation Rate 42%
6-Year Graduation Rate 62%
First-Year Retention Rate 80%

-UIUC (Urbana-Champaign)
4-Year Graduation Rate 73%
6-Year Graduation Rate 85%
First-Year Retention Rate 95%

So, ya know: congrats. As long as they get those student loans repaid the campus will never close, never gonna get downgraded, will continue to graduate useful types for the world. Fudge , more campus expansion/construction contracts: yes please!! Diploma mill ? I've never heard that term.

I learn something new here every single day.

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Buried in this article WIU is down to 4500 students. This isn’t sustainable… - LeatherneckIllini August 21, 2026, 21:32:21

ooo - biclops August 31, 2026, 12:40:15
- If this is only through 2023 there has been some additional movement - Blazer August 31, 2026, 14:39:14
  - Just based on the graph, ISU has been remarkably consistent. - osklister August 31, 2026, 16:12:08
- Does this pass the sniff test as it relates to UIUC? - OB25 August 31, 2026, 13:31:35
  - doubled would be a 100% increase right? - assassin August 31, 2026, 13:34:12
    - With a ~200% increase in cost but still a good deal.* - Warrin'_Illini August 31, 2026, 14:29:42
    - You’re right, I’m a moran. College degree clearly paid off.* - OB25 August 31, 2026, 13:42:24
    - Wow....getting close to doubling from when I was there in the early 90s. - KingTalkyTiki August 31, 2026, 13:36:52
- negative-nice* - Sammich August 31, 2026, 12:50:36
- but Chicago St. did just start a football program - IlliniSax05 August 31, 2026, 12:47:47
  - Kickin' azz and takin' names !! - osklister August 31, 2026, 12:53:47
    - OK, Fatazz.* - KingTalkyTiki August 31, 2026, 13:14:17
- I wonder what they would look like for in state students* - CoronaTheirAss August 31, 2026, 12:43:24
- Definitely seems like some consolidation is in order. Good to see UIC doing well, - Warrin'_Illini August 31, 2026, 12:43:14
  - There's not much at all of a "campus life" scene - ISeeDeadHawkeyes August 31, 2026, 18:17:12
  - I just assumed it was always a commuter college... - KingTalkyTiki August 31, 2026, 13:10:58
    - I remember taking my placement exams there. I never got a real sense for the place though.* - Warrin'_Illini August 31, 2026, 13:18:40
      - I was there for some reason or another in HS. A lotta concrete. - osklister August 31, 2026, 16:13:52
Pennsylvania has merged several of their lower tier universities into a single school with multiple - ATL August 22, 2026, 14:24:17
- Bloated admin costs will be the downfall of smaller schools. * - harb August 23, 2026, 10:31:32
  - Bloated admin costs: a problem at all schools these days. JMHO. * - osklister August 23, 2026, 19:21:19
    - True story. Even at the elementary and high school levels. * - harb August 23, 2026, 19:26:16
      - Agree here. - osklister August 24, 2026, 09:22:26
- At a minimum that’s what Illinois needs to do - Blazer August 22, 2026, 20:52:22
Sooner or later one of the directional schools will have to close or merge - Blazer August 22, 2026, 11:48:54
- Keep EIU open for another year. - EffinIllini August 24, 2026, 17:22:38
- WIU is in worst shape by far. * - cpsteine August 23, 2026, 20:01:06
- What about a model similar to PSU - EIU/WIU turn into primarily two year feeders for UIUC/ISU/UIC - ATL August 23, 2026, 11:08:08
  - Thing is, there aren't many people in proximity to either campus. - SurfTheBoneyard August 23, 2026, 11:10:22
    - E/W will be the first to be... downsized? Consolidated?? - osklister August 23, 2026, 12:33:15
      - "Circle Campus" has 35k students.* - ISeeDeadHawkeyes August 23, 2026, 13:06:30
        
        Um, uh; yea Circle? - osklister August 23, 2026, 19:13:58
        
        Are you thinking of Chicago State? That should be downsized before anything else* - IlliniOllie August 23, 2026, 22:55:46
        
        No, I was talking about the place at roughly Roosevelt and the Ike. - osklister August 24, 2026, 09:21:27
        
        Merge Northeastern, Governors, and Chicago St as one Chicago state university - Blazer August 23, 2026, 23:40:32
        
        A&M, normal school, liberal arts - these are not the same thing - complainant August 24, 2026, 00:21:39
        
        Probably? It’s one of the few disciplines where graduates can consistently find jobs - Blazer August 24, 2026, 00:42:00
        
        So the question is how to get people to become teachers, right? - complainant August 24, 2026, 00:47:04
        
        Well that’s more of a policy question - Blazer August 24, 2026, 00:53:53
        
        Correct. First principles. Back to basics. "Why are we here?" - complainant August 24, 2026, 01:06:49
        
        Got it, and agreed* - Blazer August 24, 2026, 01:11:07
        
        Is this you making a case? Not clear…* - cpsteine August 23, 2026, 19:55:16
        
        NIU and UIC proximity to Chicago will save them.* - LeatherneckIllini August 23, 2026, 13:08:42
- What’s the difference between Eastern, Western and ISU?* - TarheelIllini August 22, 2026, 12:11:27
  - ISU is almost double the enrollment of WIU/EIU combined* - ilinni11 August 23, 2026, 11:39:13
  - Eastern/Western and ISU are not remotely comparable - Blazer August 22, 2026, 12:56:42
    - Would you put ISU ahead of even UIC?* - ISeeDeadHawkeyes August 22, 2026, 13:35:36
      - Probably equally strong - Blazer August 22, 2026, 20:51:12
    - Yep. Western and Eastern have nothing distinguishing to attract anyone. - SurfTheBoneyard August 22, 2026, 13:10:13
      - I’ve been saying for years that these struggling schools need to start trade school extensions - bbonb August 23, 2026, 08:30:59
        
        Trade school education is what community colleges are for, at least in Illinois. - larue33 August 23, 2026, 10:43:13
        
        but universities can offer stricter standards, certifications, etc. And it looks better on resumes - bbonb August 31, 2026, 14:28:32
        
        Very good post* - TarheelIllini August 23, 2026, 10:28:42
      - And they have Rick and Rose from Poster Children as professors* - timmer August 22, 2026, 13:16:12
        
        They were literally one of my son's professors. - SurfTheBoneyard August 22, 2026, 13:47:21
There are some schools in the UNC system that have free tuition if you live in NC - TarheelIllini August 22, 2026, 06:56:48
St Augustine near me will not hold classes this fall - TarheelIllini August 22, 2026, 06:53:11
macomb is a sore sight these days and the qc campus never really took off.* - Ari Gold August 21, 2026, 22:59:33

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