Yeah that’s what I saw. I feel like the bar for arm strength has become Josh Allen. Archived Message
Posted by Carl Spackler on November 5, 2023, 18:04:38, in reply to "Really don’t think that’s the issue, I’d guess he’s league average among starters on arm strength"
And it’s just silly. If Bagent leads Mooney by another foot and doesn’t throw well behind Scott, no one is talking about arm strength. They just looked inaccurate. Previous Message Those last two INT’s today were because of either being slightly late on making the throw or just being a super inaccurate pass. And the first was just inexperience and not seeing the extra guy in zone coverage. Lots of NFL starters are just ok on arm strength, there’s only a few Josh Allen types. Bagent is almost certainly not the long term answer but I don’t see arm strength being the primary reason why. I’d say it’s pretty much a net neutral trait for him. Previous Message arm strength isn't just throwing the ball far, it's having zip and timing. He doesn't have the zip on the ball to get it in small windows. I hope this ends all the debate Previous Message I get to watch it!
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- Bears at Saints GAMETHREAD on….*checks notes*….CBS - timmer November 5, 2023, 11:57:30
- Definitely saw why the Cards traded Dobbs* - reggiedunlop November 5, 2023, 23:15:33
- Hate losing to that whiny bitch fan base, but #PROJECTTANK gets a W* - GMAW November 5, 2023, 18:19:52
- I listened to the game while doing yard work. They mentioned Sweat once. Was it better on TV?* - LovetheChief November 5, 2023, 16:08:36
- Bagent DOESN'T have the arm strength be a NFL starter - DanSaint November 5, 2023, 15:14:46
- Kyler Gordon made an appropriate business decision there* - OrangeSox November 5, 2023, 15:05:21
- That was a hold on 99.* - Mrap24 November 5, 2023, 15:05:17
- I didn’t realize Geddy was a Saints fan* - PapaDels November 5, 2023, 15:04:19
- Those saints fans patronizing the kid in the bear costume- fuck right off. * - VIV November 5, 2023, 15:02:47
- and yet another Bears QB sits dejected by himself on the bench, like all the rest before him* - OrangeSox November 5, 2023, 14:59:19
- Saints tried to give this away* - reggiedunlop November 5, 2023, 14:58:48
- Might as well get Hill a rushing TD as well* - PapaDels November 5, 2023, 14:58:21
- the oline just got pwned in the 4th quarter.* - Ari Gold November 5, 2023, 14:58:16
- Maybe he’s not joe montana * - VIV November 5, 2023, 14:58:16
- So Bears* - timmer November 5, 2023, 14:57:41
- Some many OL penalties* - Mrap24 November 5, 2023, 14:56:37
- This game has me considering suicide. Head into the oven time.* - Toonces November 5, 2023, 14:56:36
- Stop holding people. Close your damn fists* - timmer November 5, 2023, 14:56:06
- Wright tackled a guy* - VIV November 5, 2023, 14:56:02
- They miced the shit out of that goalpost, it's like they knew* - OrangeSox November 5, 2023, 14:55:30
- TD or 4th INT?* - timmer November 5, 2023, 14:55:29
- LOL* - PapaDels November 5, 2023, 14:55:08
- steal one here.* - Ari Gold November 5, 2023, 14:55:08
- Those are loud goalposts* - timmer November 5, 2023, 14:54:54
- Single doink (reprise)* - VIV November 5, 2023, 14:54:54
- jimmy johnson would’ve cut him last year, but here we are.* - Ari Gold November 5, 2023, 14:51:46
- I’d rather have Velvet Jones out there* - PapaDels November 5, 2023, 14:51:29
- Velus* - illini21 November 5, 2023, 14:50:34
- That was a weak ass call.* - longsnapper November 5, 2023, 14:50:32
- How in the fuck is that a flag on the bears?* - VIV November 5, 2023, 14:50:31
- Velus is the gift that keeps giving* - Illini Guy November 5, 2023, 14:50:10
- Velus gonna Velus. * - illini November 5, 2023, 14:50:04
- lololol* - Ari Gold November 5, 2023, 14:50:03
- Offside??* - VIV November 5, 2023, 14:48:44
- What an effort. * - VIV November 5, 2023, 14:46:38
- Saints aren’t good enough to put a bad bears team away* - VIV November 5, 2023, 14:46:21
- Yay! A chance for a 4th INT* - timmer November 5, 2023, 14:45:48
- Well, a tank W I suppose.* - Toonces November 5, 2023, 14:45:13
- Well, he’s certainly come back down to earth* - OB25 November 5, 2023, 14:43:06
- Definitely seems like the amount of slow developing routes increased this half* - longsnapper November 5, 2023, 14:42:51
- WBYCEIYDBO* - PapaDels November 5, 2023, 14:42:14
- What a terrible pass* - Mrap24 November 5, 2023, 14:42:04
- Even worse on the end zone view. * - VIV November 5, 2023, 14:41:51
- Bet Jaylon Johnson wishes he could play against Bagent* - Illini Guy November 5, 2023, 14:41:31
- Hope you got a fallback job, Tyson* - timmer November 5, 2023, 14:41:20
- Welp* - illini21 November 5, 2023, 14:41:16
- Yikes* - opossum jenkins November 5, 2023, 14:41:14
- Another shit throw. Wooof* - VIV November 5, 2023, 14:41:09
- lol at that snap.* - Ari Gold November 5, 2023, 14:40:24
- kmet has had a great game today.* - Ari Gold November 5, 2023, 14:39:07
- What a dumb play, meatball football coaches gonna meatball* - OrangeSox November 5, 2023, 14:37:57
- Yep* - PapaDels November 5, 2023, 14:39:06
- 6-1 in penalties today.* - Ari Gold November 5, 2023, 14:37:56
- LOLOLOLOLOL* - VIV November 5, 2023, 14:36:35
- This pass rush sure hasn’t looked any better* - Carl Spackler November 5, 2023, 14:35:57
- That was a false start. * - VIV November 5, 2023, 14:35:30
- -3 in tos is a death sentence in the nfl.* - Ari Gold November 5, 2023, 14:34:43
- Way worse than that regularly gets no call.* - MojoJojo November 5, 2023, 14:33:28
- Oooooooof on that call* - reggiedunlop November 5, 2023, 14:32:58
- Shiiiiiiiiiit call* - VIV November 5, 2023, 14:32:32
- that’s a terrible call.* - Ari Gold November 5, 2023, 14:32:27
- That’s just a nice play.* - Carl Spackler November 5, 2023, 14:30:32
- Good defensive play. Ball was a bit late and behind. * - VIV November 5, 2023, 14:30:20
- yes.* - Ari Gold November 5, 2023, 14:30:40
- Goddamn it.* - Toonces November 5, 2023, 14:29:56
- This is a team that finds a way to lose. * - VIV November 5, 2023, 14:29:34
- correct.* - Ari Gold November 5, 2023, 14:30:08
- How is Velus Jones still on this team?* - Carl Spackler November 5, 2023, 14:29:08
- Can we please run real plays?* - reggiedunlop November 5, 2023, 14:29:07
- at some point somebody needs to be fired for velus.* - Ari Gold November 5, 2023, 14:29:04
- Velus Jones, why are you still here* - OrangeSox November 5, 2023, 14:28:50
- lol at dennis allen trying to call a time out before that play.* - Ari Gold November 5, 2023, 14:28:27
- You knew the hill play action was coming. * - VIV November 5, 2023, 14:24:33
- lol bad.* - Ari Gold November 5, 2023, 14:24:31
- *exhales* Thought we might win there for a moment* - opossum jenkins November 5, 2023, 14:24:25
- nice tackle jaylon.* - Ari Gold November 5, 2023, 14:23:32
- incredible they can’t stop hill running the ball.* - Ari Gold November 5, 2023, 14:22:47
- Cowardly play call* - Mrap24 November 5, 2023, 14:19:51
- yes.* - Ari Gold November 5, 2023, 14:20:40
- Find someone who looks at you the way these announcers look at Bagent * - meanjeans November 5, 2023, 14:02:02
- Just a touch late on that throw. Good placement, though. * - VIV November 5, 2023, 14:01:58
- Woulda been a tough grab, but I feel like DJ should have caught that.* - MojoJojo November 5, 2023, 14:01:46
- dj has to snatch that.* - Ari Gold November 5, 2023, 14:01:37
- amazing the foreman wasn’t even active earlier this year.* - Ari Gold November 5, 2023, 13:59:47
- I like Foreman game* - PapaDels November 5, 2023, 13:59:39
- The Bears lead the NFL in false starts* - PapaDels November 5, 2023, 13:58:56
- So many dumb penalties * - VIV November 5, 2023, 13:58:32
- jones has turned into a penalty machine.* - Ari Gold November 5, 2023, 13:58:28
- he has such good rhythm in the pocket.* - Ari Gold November 5, 2023, 13:56:32
- ffs whitehair.* - Ari Gold November 5, 2023, 13:53:39
- That didn’t seem like a very forceful punch either* - OB25 November 5, 2023, 13:46:26
- Ugh. Can’t afford these mistakes* - Mrap24 November 5, 2023, 13:45:04
- welp* - reggiedunlop November 5, 2023, 13:44:42
- Oh, DJ, no. * - VIV November 5, 2023, 13:44:11
- we are really struggling covering the short middle* - reggiedunlop November 5, 2023, 13:41:56
- Why are you fair catching that?* - VIV November 5, 2023, 13:40:47
- that can’t happen with a team that doesn’t have much room for error.* - Ari Gold November 5, 2023, 13:21:04
- Brutal. Rare bad kick by santos* - Mrap24 November 5, 2023, 13:19:57
- Really nice half from bagent aside from one mistake. * - VIV November 5, 2023, 13:19:41
- Matt Ryan is a really good announcer especially for it being his first year doing it* - OB25 November 5, 2023, 13:19:19
- Wow. Santos has been automatic* - illini21 November 5, 2023, 13:19:15
- Single doink. * - VIV November 5, 2023, 13:19:08
- *Doink* - MojoJojo November 5, 2023, 13:19:06
- THUNK* - timmer November 5, 2023, 13:19:01
- ffs santos.* - Ari Gold November 5, 2023, 13:18:58
- this has been like watching a real offense today.* - Ari Gold November 5, 2023, 13:14:50
- Bagent is going to get himself killed keeping those. * - VIV November 5, 2023, 13:07:35
- Was Rachel McAdams not invited to be in that ad?* - VIV November 5, 2023, 13:05:26
- So far, not getting much more pressure with sweat than without. * - VIV November 5, 2023, 13:03:46
- 2 dbs watching hill run right in front of them at the goal line.* - Ari Gold November 5, 2023, 13:03:31
- Carr is hanging tough in the pocket on these throws.* - Toonces November 5, 2023, 13:01:36
- Not great coverage* - Mrap24 November 5, 2023, 13:01:36
- defense can’t make any plays.* - Ari Gold November 5, 2023, 13:01:04
- Same piece of shit dog blitz, same outcome* - opossum jenkins November 5, 2023, 13:01:02
- Have they not realized YET Hill runs EVERY time?* - MojoJojo November 5, 2023, 12:59:32
- Jackson just got roasted* - reggiedunlop November 5, 2023, 12:58:38
- this just in: ejax sucks.* - Ari Gold November 5, 2023, 12:58:31
- So is the Keith Sweat guy playing?* - opossum jenkins November 5, 2023, 12:58:20
- Really nice touch on that one. * - VIV November 5, 2023, 12:56:50
- His only mistake so far is one that is totally due to inexperience. Everything else has been great - OB25 November 5, 2023, 12:55:30
- LOL sad clown.* - Toonces November 5, 2023, 12:55:24
- I’ve seen enough of Fields. I’ve not seen enough of Bagent. Let him play more* - opossum jenkins November 5, 2023, 12:55:15
- Great effort by bagent. * - VIV November 5, 2023, 12:54:58
- More Bagent craftiness.* - Toonces November 5, 2023, 12:54:15
- say what you want about bagent. kid has good awareness and isn’t fazed by much.* - Ari Gold November 5, 2023, 12:53:54
- great decision on the RPO* - Orangeillini November 5, 2023, 12:53:49
- The female ref was not all over it* - Mrap24 November 5, 2023, 12:53:41
- They’ll probably still mark it just short, but have some balls and just run a sneak.* - OB25 November 5, 2023, 12:50:15
- That was an awful initial spot. Then they moved it then moved it back. Wtf* - Mrap24 November 5, 2023, 12:49:58
- That’s a first down* - opossum jenkins November 5, 2023, 12:48:48
- NFL games are basically non-stop commercials. This is only enjoyable if you have a Franker setup.* - Toonces November 5, 2023, 12:46:24
- Redzone * - suburbanmyth November 5, 2023, 12:48:30
- Also, holy shit Khalen Saunders chasing him down. * - VIV November 5, 2023, 12:39:08
- The rare WR screen (for the Bears, at least) that worked well.* - MojoJojo November 5, 2023, 12:38:32
- Great play from Mooney* - VIV November 5, 2023, 12:38:09
- That’s fucking ridiculous. That blitz has to get home* - opossum jenkins November 5, 2023, 12:34:05
- Hill runs every time he takes a snap.* - Mrap24 November 5, 2023, 12:33:26
- Kmet could have helped by coming back to the ball but should have thrown it away* - Orangeillini November 5, 2023, 12:26:02
- Not a great toss* - Mrap24 November 5, 2023, 12:25:48
- Ah shit.* - Toonces November 5, 2023, 12:25:11
- Terrible decision there, with (for once) plenty of time to throw.* - MojoJojo November 5, 2023, 12:25:08
- Awful* - illini21 November 5, 2023, 12:25:00
- Terrible decision* - opossum jenkins November 5, 2023, 12:24:56
- Oh that’s a terrible throw. * - VIV November 5, 2023, 12:24:51
- Haha Bagent. Good business decision but Scott got killed.* - Toonces November 5, 2023, 12:22:16
- That play is never gonna work without Bagent blocking.* - MojoJojo November 5, 2023, 12:21:57
- I expected a DPI flag there. * - VIV November 5, 2023, 12:17:00
- Kmet has definitely been a lot better this year, even if still far from perfect* - OB25 November 5, 2023, 12:15:09
- I remember some in here were upset when PJ Walker was released bc we need a vet. Nah we don't.* - gullit November 5, 2023, 12:13:35
- Getsy needs to figure out how to build the whole plane out of the first drive of the game* - OB25 November 5, 2023, 12:12:46
- impressive drive. crazy good catch* - Orangeillini November 5, 2023, 12:12:13
- Sick catch by Kmet* - Mrap24 November 5, 2023, 12:11:30
- Fuck yeah. What a catch Kmet.* - Toonces November 5, 2023, 12:11:03
- Are we SURE this kid can’t play?* - opossum jenkins November 5, 2023, 12:10:50
- OMG what a catch. And great first drive. * - VIV November 5, 2023, 12:10:38
- It’s good to see that every team has their own Mr Blue Hands types. * - VIV November 5, 2023, 12:08:03
- LOL with the early TO.* - Toonces November 5, 2023, 12:07:10
- Please remember that DJ Moore exists. * - VIV November 5, 2023, 12:04:32
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