Yes, because they're fucking pissed Archived Message
Posted by Sounder on April 1, 2025, 14:33:08, in reply to "What did that accomplish? Seems like they are giving up something they enjoy for no good reason*"
I realize that having principles and conviction is a foreign concept to you.  Previous Message  Previous Message from world leaders who are smarter than him. The biggest event of the curling calendar is this weekend, and we usually get a bunch of teams coming down from Canada. Nearly every single team cancelled this year in light of Trump's behavior towards them.  Previous Message are a little more savvy and much less beholden to his BS than the local tradesmen.  Previous Message This is Infrastructure Week on steroids. They don't know how to govern, they have never known how to govern, and they never will know how to govern.  Previous Message Reportedly, they still have no idea what they're doing.
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- Per Dilly request, an April 1-6 politics thread - Stu April 1, 2025, 9:40:56
- This thread is closed; start a new one* - Stu April 7, 2025, 6:12:13
- ooo - ATL April 7, 2025, 5:53:06
- EMLI5 - TarheelIllini April 7, 2025, 5:18:41
- And there is no master plan here, Trump literally thinks a trade deficit is us - gvibes April 6, 2025, 22:01:03
- Good to see Fox has moved into that huge trans in sports issue again* - Mrap24 April 6, 2025, 21:55:45
- EU planning on reciprocal tariffs tomorrow - Stu April 6, 2025, 21:10:40
- lol even Bill Ackman is turning on Trump - ECEIllinois April 6, 2025, 20:52:42
- Nikkei down 7.5% currently* - Stu April 6, 2025, 19:14:43
- Bessent called to White House for emergency meeting* - Stu April 6, 2025, 19:01:51
- Trump: not intentionally engineering market sell off* - ECEIllinois April 6, 2025, 18:22:58
- Scott Bessent: Most Americans keep their retirement funds in bank savings accounts - Stu April 6, 2025, 17:28:01
- Bitcoin plunging tonight. Good good* - Stu April 6, 2025, 16:50:28
- 10/10, no notes, assuming this is satire - ATL April 6, 2025, 16:49:14
- Doug Burgam demands his staff make him freshly baked chocolate chip cookies - ATL April 6, 2025, 16:22:09
- Made in Vietnam, pre-tariffs…. - timmer April 6, 2025, 15:04:28
- ooo - ATL April 6, 2025, 6:47:10
- So this #handsoff thing is pretty crazy* - opossum jenkins April 5, 2025, 21:25:14
- Sir, hanging tough sir! Have a good round, sir. - Tortillini April 5, 2025, 21:21:46
- Musk implies Navarro unqualified for his position - Stu April 5, 2025, 17:44:40
- Man, Soros REALLY opened his checkbook today. - KingTalkyTiki April 5, 2025, 16:11:33
- NM* - Carl Spackler April 5, 2025, 12:42:01
- NM* - Carl Spackler April 5, 2025, 12:12:50
- Trump has advanced to the senior club championship round, per official White House statement* - OB25 April 5, 2025, 12:09:30
- Montana Republican Party very angry some members want to work cooperatively with Dems - ATL April 5, 2025, 6:52:32
- Portnoy and a Chipmunk are quite mad about the tariffs - ATL April 4, 2025, 21:54:01
- FoxNews is hilarious. Tariffs are the 5th story on their site and it’s a POSITIVE one. - Carl Spackler April 4, 2025, 20:05:04
- This whole crusade to try and tell people they inherited a bad or crashing or negative economy - Mrap24 April 4, 2025, 18:18:38
- And I thought “the terrorists hate our freedom” was lame - Sammich April 4, 2025, 17:21:31
- Meanwhile, top insurance executive points out climate change could collapse capitalism - DT April 4, 2025, 16:36:32
- My worry is they are going to need to ramp up other stuff to distract from the economy - DT April 4, 2025, 16:23:32
- This is fucking insane. Dems need to purge these assholes. Truly wtf - John Coctostan April 4, 2025, 15:53:06
- When this is all over and historians write about it in books…. - timmer April 4, 2025, 15:28:11
- Still can't believe Trump did this shit and then went to Florida to play golf. - Stu April 4, 2025, 15:22:01
- You might need to buy that membership to your favorite sports podcast sooner rather than later - ATL April 4, 2025, 15:17:49
- 2,200 points, 10% in two days, so much winning* - Sounder April 4, 2025, 15:11:30
- GOP thrown in the garbage in Dupage County Township elections (and all of chicagoland) - assassin April 4, 2025, 14:59:07
- Don't listen to talking heads saying now is the time to buy into the market - Stu April 4, 2025, 14:13:42
- THANKS LOW INFORMATION REPUBLICAN VOTERS. Hi detlef! Hi Ari! - GMAW April 4, 2025, 14:09:37
- Down 2000 today alone, what a fucking disaster* - Sounder April 4, 2025, 13:58:17
- buy low sell high* - lcubed April 4, 2025, 13:54:52
- Deloitte headed for a RIF - Dilbert April 4, 2025, 12:31:03
- CNBC lulz - Stu April 4, 2025, 12:10:46
- My girlfriend’s family is Vietnamese. They’re MAGAs. They’re eating this up - illini thunder April 4, 2025, 12:05:35
- I just pulled up my phone to check the market - Sounder April 4, 2025, 12:00:48
- Already proudly negotiating "deals" with everyone. Just an asinine process* - gvibes April 4, 2025, 11:36:04
- as a loud proponent of 'it has to get really bad before it'll ever get better', even i'm shocked - John Coctostan April 4, 2025, 11:30:34
- I’ll be surprised if the market isn’t down over 2000 by close - Stu April 4, 2025, 11:19:27
- Nintendo halts preorders of Switch 2 because of tariffs… - SurfTheBoneyard April 4, 2025, 11:06:35
- Powell trolling Trump - jfinsocal April 4, 2025, 11:02:38
- don't check your stocks* - VIV April 4, 2025, 10:52:23
- Feel the competence - RFK Jr's massive HHS cuts included a lot of oopsies - gvibes April 4, 2025, 9:42:51
- Russell Brand’s conversion is now complete… - SurfTheBoneyard April 4, 2025, 9:13:02
- (debunked) - VIV April 4, 2025, 9:12:20
- the smooth brain GOP talkers that continue to pretend like trump was somehow led astray on tarrifs - John Coctostan April 4, 2025, 9:09:14
- I’m angry this morning. We’re so fucked* - CWR10 April 4, 2025, 8:53:36
- Deja vu all over again? - bbonb April 4, 2025, 7:34:23
- Oil price cratering, Putin might take him out - jfinsocal April 4, 2025, 6:54:58
- China places 34% tariffs on all US goods* - Carl Spackler April 4, 2025, 6:18:06
- Looks like another blood bath coming today * - John Coctostan April 4, 2025, 6:05:31
- Director of the NSA fired. - ATL April 3, 2025, 21:56:14
- I’m sure he had it coming. Certainly deserves it - illini thunder April 3, 2025, 21:28:17
- gotta love headlines that are just pure fucking evil - assassin April 3, 2025, 20:47:15
- I can’t get over the fact that we’ve been letting penguins rape America for 240 years* - Stu April 3, 2025, 17:34:38
- Multiple outlets reporting Trump fires National Security Council officials after meeting with Laura - opey8 April 3, 2025, 15:33:36
- So what is the "groceries" meme that seems to have taken over bluesky?* - ATL April 3, 2025, 15:26:19
- ooo - Sammich April 3, 2025, 15:30:52
- When does the deep state step in?* - shua April 3, 2025, 14:35:51
- I remain dumbfounded no one could talk him out of this - illini April 3, 2025, 14:31:39
- I read a book that was recommended on here called The Accidental Superpower a few years ago - meanjeans April 3, 2025, 21:00:37
- He's executing the plan, so there's no reason to talk him out of anything* - longsnapper April 3, 2025, 15:12:32
- If he learned anything from his first term.... - KingTalkyTiki April 3, 2025, 14:43:57
- Trumpism is modern republican economic thought* - John Coctostan April 3, 2025, 14:38:14
- Modern? - complainant April 3, 2025, 14:38:07
- I'm certain that he's personally making a shitload of money doing this. - doubledown April 3, 2025, 14:34:42
- You will own nothing and be happy - ECEIllinois April 3, 2025, 14:11:27
- I’m sure he was saying the same thing about eggs 6 months ago.* - DT April 4, 2025, 6:08:30
- "Posted from X for iPad"* - ATL April 3, 2025, 14:25:52
- Doesn’t seem very free market.* - SurfTheBoneyard April 3, 2025, 14:23:45
- LOL. This chode’s whole life is made in China. Can’t wait for him to get his leoparding. * - doubledown April 3, 2025, 14:17:44
- Unsurprising 180 by the Treatlerites.* - Warrin'_Illini April 3, 2025, 14:15:08
- so...socialism?* - assassin April 3, 2025, 14:14:05
- Bill Gross, respected bond guy, says markets-wise, this is more like the start of WW1 than any... - Stu April 3, 2025, 13:54:17
- leopards/buttholes - complainant April 3, 2025, 13:48:37
- Remember that Dem congressperson from TX who died last month? Neither does Greg Abbott. - ATL April 3, 2025, 12:48:38
- Tell us how you really feel - larue33 April 3, 2025, 12:45:36
- groceries, such an old fashioned term...It's a bag with different things in it* - Sounder April 3, 2025, 12:19:10
- Alina Habba is back! - complainant April 3, 2025, 10:46:05
- that entire photo looks staged. bezo's even gets product placement.* - Nobster April 3, 2025, 13:15:58
- I think that's one of the ding dong ditchers* - Sounder April 3, 2025, 11:34:42
- dude* - VIV April 3, 2025, 11:35:21
- What is with MAGA bimbos and performative cosplay? - KingTalkyTiki April 3, 2025, 11:32:36
- Hell yeah. She can Alina my Habba anyday* - HamptonSki April 3, 2025, 10:59:53
- As is laura loomer - Mrap24 April 3, 2025, 10:50:21
- The man who should have been President in 2020 on the sacking of Kevin McCarthy: - JeffFrank April 3, 2025, 10:44:15
- On a minor bright side SurfCorp is up like 3 bucks today… - SurfTheBoneyard April 3, 2025, 10:27:21
- Bill Burr: - longsnapper April 3, 2025, 9:35:56
- Side note: European tariffs on American goods are actually 4%. - Stu April 3, 2025, 9:24:55
- It's infuriating seeing clips of Trump sycophants running around saying "we're just going to have to - doubledown April 3, 2025, 9:15:44
- It does seem like there are a LOT of charts out there* - memyselfandillini April 3, 2025, 13:09:35
- it's not just trump sycophants. people on this board are essentially saying the same thing* - torinese April 3, 2025, 9:54:18
- Who?* - ATL April 3, 2025, 9:59:08
- You'd think the GOP has been openly hostile to higher education and intellecutualism or something. - Chicago1995 April 3, 2025, 9:42:02
- Bessent is making a fool of himself, losing a lot of peer respect. - Stu April 3, 2025, 9:21:45
- or CRACKED A FUCKING HISTORY BOOK. we've done this before. it fails every time. - VIV April 3, 2025, 9:21:08
- dots - lcubed April 3, 2025, 9:19:18
- Dow down 1500* - Stu April 3, 2025, 9:08:25
- I'm aware this isn't an original thought or line of thinking - John Coctostan April 3, 2025, 9:01:53
- I'm sure we've asked this before, but who is benefiting from this?... - shua April 3, 2025, 9:00:08
- NewsMax down 50% since it went public* - Stu April 3, 2025, 8:58:46
- How it started, how it's going - ATL April 3, 2025, 8:54:36
- These are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand - gvibes April 3, 2025, 8:41:10
- This admin is so incompetent they hired the one Indian kid who’s bad at math* - ECEIllinois April 3, 2025, 11:01:40
- i'm not familiar with the people cited, so i googled one (the last one, pudue prof.) they couldn't - torinese April 3, 2025, 8:59:04
- they tried really hard to make it sound smart * - VIV April 3, 2025, 8:44:25
- ooo. - longsnapper April 3, 2025, 8:49:53
- NASDAQ down 4% to start the day* - VIV April 3, 2025, 8:37:55
- Twitter really is an effective propaganda machine - CWR10 April 3, 2025, 8:03:24
- Today is the real Liberation Day; the liberation of over $2,000,000,000,000 in market capitalization - timmer April 3, 2025, 7:31:14
- Trump has already made America great - ATL April 3, 2025, 7:19:31
- ooo - complainant April 3, 2025, 8:39:43
- My expectations were pretty low for how much the typical MAGA voter - longsnapper April 3, 2025, 7:11:17
- And the “but the libs are so brainwashed and don’t use critical thinking “ is the most maddening - PapaDels April 3, 2025, 8:28:10
- I'm still waiting for my "opt out" button as I didn't vote to be Thunderfucked - ibdoc April 3, 2025, 8:11:31
- People in the administration have said tariffs will bring transitory inflationary pressure - opey8 April 3, 2025, 7:59:42
- Thunderfuck them.* - complainant April 3, 2025, 7:24:15
- On the plus side, random people are being sent to foreign prison camps with no due process - DT April 3, 2025, 7:18:20
- JP Morgan: recession now likely* - Stu April 3, 2025, 6:07:23
- NewATLCo, which had record returns the last 4 years and a 150% stock price runup since 10/22 - ATL April 3, 2025, 8:06:33
- March layoffs the highest since the beginning of the pandemic. - larue33 April 3, 2025, 6:44:58
- atleast everyone forgot about making war plans on unsecured iphones* - shua April 3, 2025, 6:44:12
- Yeah, but at least everything will be more expensive.* - complainant April 3, 2025, 6:09:55
- At least he didn't tariff all countries. There are some exceptions - UofIL6 April 3, 2025, 0:06:55
- S&P/Dow/Nasdaq Futures........-2.8%/-2.0%/-3.3%* - UofIL6 April 2, 2025, 22:35:53
- Glad we blew up the world because white people didn't like brown people and pronouns* - reggiedunlop April 2, 2025, 22:30:45
- clearly a lot of thought and care was put into these tariffs... - ECEIllinois April 2, 2025, 22:03:11
- Trump a going to try to turn the market off tomorrow. Honestly I would too.* - Toonces April 2, 2025, 21:07:26
- ooo - snipes824 April 2, 2025, 20:18:50
- Thanks, Republican voters!* - GMAW April 2, 2025, 20:15:47
- This is dumb as tits on a bull - gvibes April 2, 2025, 19:21:27
- Hearing DHS opening up deferred resignations and axe falling on the 14th… - LeatherneckIllini April 2, 2025, 19:17:39
- If only the constitution gave some other branch of government the responsibility to set tariffs* - gvibes April 2, 2025, 19:09:47
- My IRA is now an IRB - Stu April 2, 2025, 18:50:43
- How the tariffs were calculated - larue33 April 2, 2025, 18:16:55
- De minimis exception done, Shein and Temu are dead, basically* - gvibes April 2, 2025, 17:58:46
- Copper, drugs, semiconductors not covered* - gvibes April 2, 2025, 17:50:21
- SP500 down 4% in after hours * - meanjeans April 2, 2025, 17:21:58
- please do not retaliate - assassin April 2, 2025, 17:13:07
- "what up, knight?"* - Nobster April 2, 2025, 20:20:28
- JFC.* - KingTalkyTiki April 2, 2025, 17:24:06
- Sit back, relax, and strap it down* - OrangeSox April 2, 2025, 17:20:12
- lulz* - MtHoodIllini April 2, 2025, 19:33:59
- Just relax and enjoy it* - Stu April 2, 2025, 17:17:50
- did this guy figure out how they came up with the random tariff numbers? - ECEIllinois April 2, 2025, 16:54:53
- Remarkable the number of companies that just happen to tariff US imports at 10%* - gvibes April 2, 2025, 16:47:25
- I hope this is true - larue33 April 2, 2025, 16:44:22
- It is* - CanHartlebHireSnider April 2, 2025, 16:46:41
- The 34% china tariff is in addition to prior tariffs, not the end total. Lol* - gvibes April 2, 2025, 16:23:47
- Seeing various futures trading lower equivalent to a Dow drop of around 1500* - Stu April 2, 2025, 16:21:36
- When will the Cambodians ever win?* - HamptonSki April 2, 2025, 15:59:47
- too dumb for parody, what an incredible word salad about groceries - assassin April 2, 2025, 15:59:19
- nobody who graduated from Wharton should ever be employed anywhere ever again* - Sammich April 2, 2025, 15:59:14
- I need to buy furniture for my lake house, please don't tariff me bro* - gvibes April 2, 2025, 15:48:45
- ok guess we're finally going to touch the stove* - ECEIllinois April 2, 2025, 15:35:03
- Liberty Time!* - timmer April 2, 2025, 15:07:06
- Oh good, Amazon may buy Tiktok* - Stu April 2, 2025, 15:00:13
- Ron Desantis on Florida’s new congressman: “he repels people” - ATL April 2, 2025, 14:22:24
- Eff of RFK, Jr. I just got another vaccine.* - ATL April 2, 2025, 14:08:17
- Donnie delaying his big tariff announcement until after markets close. Coward* - Mrap24 April 2, 2025, 13:28:01
- He had to do it before or after to be fair * - Potomac April 2, 2025, 16:06:25
- turning a big dial taht says "Tariff" on it - Sammich April 2, 2025, 14:40:15
- If you have some idea what you'll eat for dinner, you are farther along in your planning - RVA April 2, 2025, 14:27:37
- ed martin said the public just needs to be properly educated that prices will increase but its ok - lcubed April 2, 2025, 14:13:46
- Remember. It’s about food prices and the border* - opossum jenkins April 2, 2025, 14:07:25
- market fairly flat today - Sounder April 2, 2025, 13:51:56
- Former colleague of mine, now corporate investigative reporter for Sinclair, says all FDA comms - illini thunder April 2, 2025, 12:41:47
- TSLA jumps after Trump "floats" idea of ending Musk's role in government... - longsnapper April 2, 2025, 10:50:35
- Elon’s downfall - jfinsocal April 2, 2025, 13:16:08
- fwvvvvvvliw, the dipshit press sec says the scoop is garbage - assassin April 2, 2025, 12:04:21
- Twitter just ran a headline saying Val Kilmer is still alive. - complainant April 2, 2025, 11:09:34
- He's a special employee. His contract is 130 days. It ends May 30* - CanHartlebHireSnider April 2, 2025, 10:58:30
- Well he can read polls and returns… - SurfTheBoneyard April 2, 2025, 10:56:20
- In case anyone wondered, Perry Greene (Mage's Ex's) is doing GREAT post divorce! - KingTalkyTiki April 2, 2025, 10:16:46
- So assuming autos are impacted as expected by his tariffs today, how do people think pricing will - GrandmotherPearlsJam April 2, 2025, 9:57:19
- And enjoy your increased auto insurance premiums. Progressive already warning their agents * - PapaDels April 2, 2025, 12:09:48
- We just bought and were told that they expected price increases by April 30. - Chicago1995 April 2, 2025, 10:50:38
- I fully expect domestic carmakers, theoretically unaffected by tariffs, to raise their prices - MojoJojo April 2, 2025, 10:19:14
- i'm planning to buy a car later this year and I'm expecting I'll have to spend about 20% more on it - IlliniSax05 April 2, 2025, 10:11:42
- I think that depends on a lot of things… - SurfTheBoneyard April 2, 2025, 10:06:10
- Cars already on the lot won’t change. Why wait?* - Stu April 2, 2025, 10:05:31
- Adams case dismissed with prejudice (per Clement's recommendation) so Trump can't blackmail Adams - ATL April 2, 2025, 9:00:20
- Tesla deliveries down 13% and ~60K from consensus estimates, despite updating its biggest seller. - ATL April 2, 2025, 8:38:00
- Wisconsin weird - larue33 April 2, 2025, 8:32:15
- Trump admin now insisting that Europe buy American weapons despite their unwillingness to commit - larue33 April 2, 2025, 8:23:03
- i hope the boat sinks* - memyselfandillini April 2, 2025, 7:13:12
- 25 hours and 5 minutes….WTG senator Booker* - TarheelIllini April 2, 2025, 6:14:43
- Decline in US travel spend could hit $72 billion. - longsnapper April 2, 2025, 6:08:45
- Orban having some trouble in Budapest - ATL April 1, 2025, 21:26:02
- In more good news for Elon, Tesla reports deliveries tomorrow.* - ATL April 1, 2025, 21:23:29
- decision desk and wasserman say crawford will win. I wonder where Musk goes from here* - MC April 1, 2025, 20:51:30
- hopefully he sits on a CHAAAAINNNNSAWWWWWW* - VIV April 2, 2025, 8:55:12
- What?!* - KingTalkyTiki April 2, 2025, 10:07:52
- Incinerates himself in a Cybertruck while his horrified fanboys work fruitlessly to free him using - doubledown April 1, 2025, 22:07:59
- Hopefully he keeps the cheese on his head - Stu April 1, 2025, 21:19:35
- Ketamine-induced dirt nap?* - SurfTheBoneyard April 1, 2025, 21:03:47
- ooo - ATL April 1, 2025, 21:03:03
- Hopefully in the next Starship launch * - ATL April 1, 2025, 20:52:58
- Looks like the dems are gonna win the wi Supreme Court seat* - Mrap24 April 1, 2025, 20:46:05
- In local news, Orland firebrand incumbent Mayor Pekau and slate told to eff off... - SurfTheBoneyard April 1, 2025, 20:15:08
- Shoot 23 Hispanics for racist reasons: plea deal. Shoot one rich white guy: death penalty. - ATL April 1, 2025, 20:08:47
- NIH is being hollowed out* - memyselfandillini April 1, 2025, 19:53:36
- Looks like Randy Fine is gonna win Waltz seat. Fine gonna win be 10-15 pts. Trump/Waltz won by 30+* - CanHartlebHireSnider April 1, 2025, 18:34:29
- Dumbest of the dumb - Mrap24 April 1, 2025, 17:55:59
- over 100 posts in a single day. good pace* - lcubed April 1, 2025, 16:49:01
- another law firm bends the knee - assassin April 1, 2025, 16:14:31
- Chair and Ranking Member of Senate Committee on Health have asked RFK, Jr. to explain himself - ATL April 1, 2025, 16:02:41
- This has to be an AI deepfake or something. - Tortillini April 1, 2025, 15:07:27
- Booker is 20 hours in - Sounder April 1, 2025, 14:49:45
- 25:05* - Nobster April 1, 2025, 19:06:47
- damn great way to eclipse the record by talking about John Lewis* - Nobster April 1, 2025, 18:22:11
- do we know how many senators are in the room? how many stayed? * - Nobster April 1, 2025, 18:00:11
- hoping that we get a a Patton Oswald style finale where booker reimagines the past year with Harris - Nobster April 1, 2025, 17:30:03
- 22* - Sounder April 1, 2025, 16:02:04
- dots - ghost_of_clt April 1, 2025, 16:13:52
- heh - ATL April 1, 2025, 15:03:32
- Need to get him to beat Strom Thurmond's record* - ATL April 1, 2025, 14:58:04
- Do how does this work with having to go to the bathroom and such?+ - Taz April 1, 2025, 14:55:30
- What's the purpose of this speech? Is he 'busterin'? I thought you could tag team in.* - Warrin'_Illini April 1, 2025, 14:52:52
- Does he mean we can bring back statues of Rebel Generals? - timmer April 1, 2025, 14:52:19
- They want the death penalty for Luigi - illini April 1, 2025, 14:40:52
- Update on tariffs - Stu April 1, 2025, 14:19:44
- Latest polling shows Crawford with a sizeable lead over Schimel in the Wisconsin - jjlocke923 April 1, 2025, 13:41:38
- Turnout is reportedly extremely high in the heavy blue areas. So that's good, huh?* - Stu April 1, 2025, 14:45:59
- Mr. Koch so thrilled that George and Elon entered the chat* - Dikta April 1, 2025, 14:34:15
- Not that you're posting in good faith... - tvillini April 1, 2025, 13:54:56
- "He becomes a myth, a spook story that criminals tell their kids at night. "Rat on your pop... - shua April 1, 2025, 13:53:33
- Hasn’t Elon also poured “a ton of $$$” into the race? * - haighter April 1, 2025, 13:50:57
- Don't forget the Rothschilds and trilateral commission!* - ATL April 1, 2025, 13:48:25
- But Elon wore cheese on his head!!!* - Stu April 1, 2025, 13:44:58
- Caring only about things that affect you personally is a Republican personality trait - ATL April 1, 2025, 13:36:38
- The responses to the Dallas Fed Business Survey are wild. - ATL April 1, 2025, 13:23:01
- Cory Booker has definitely hit the booger sugar hard before heading to the Floor. - illinilosch April 1, 2025, 11:51:14
- Per Fox News kid rock brought Bill Maher to WH for meeting with Trump - opey8 April 1, 2025, 10:40:28
- Bump* - Stu April 1, 2025, 10:32:22
- *bump** - VIV April 1, 2025, 10:02:15
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