I think that the Democrats need to take back patriotism Archived Message
Posted by Sounder  on May 1, 2025, 13:04:42, in reply to "one thing that radiates from Stephen Miller is the palpable love he has for America*"
I consider myself to be extremely patriotic, but that has a very personal meaning to me. It's absurd to me that you can't be critical of our country's past, why wouldn't you be?  Previous Message Previous Message Stephen Miller: "Children will be taught to love America. Children will be taught to be patriots. Children will be taught civic values for schools that want federal taxpayer funding. So as we close the Dept of Education and provide funding to states, we're going to make sure… pic.twitter.com/0GQqTpWrYq — Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) May 1, 2025 . Previous Message
The clock is ticking on trade deals that the U.S. will need to strike with many nations, most notably China, to avoid what Trump’s Treasury Secretary has described as an “unsustainable” tariffs war. But in the U.S. farming sector, the damage has already been done and the economic crisis already begun.
U.S. agriculture exporters say the global backlash to President Trump’s tariffs is punishing them, especially a decline in Chinese buying of U.S. farm products, leading to cancelled export orders and layoffs. Peter Friedmann, executive director of the Agriculture Transportation Coalition, a leading export trade group for farmers, tells CNBC the number of canceled purchases of U.S. agriculture should not be described as approaching a crisis. “It is a full-blown crisis already,” he said.
CNBC
Despite this article, prices for cattle and hogs are at or near 52 week highs, corn and soybean prices are not good, but haven't really dropped since the tariff announcements. Wheat has taken it on the chin.
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- Politics 4/28-5/4 - tariffs and the ag industry - larue33 April 28, 2025, 9:57:44
- Cybertruck driver would like to apologeye for doing Cybertruck driver things - ATL May 4, 2025, 19:08:48
- Alcatraz - larue33 May 4, 2025, 18:41:10
- Because we really have a crisis of escapes from max security federal prisons* - gvibes May 5, 2025, 0:12:40
- Yep, because once it opened the first time all crime just magically stopped - Taz May 4, 2025, 21:26:07
- Finally someone has identified America’s biggest problem: not enough prisons.* - Herman Blume May 4, 2025, 20:12:56
- Lulz…someone call DOGE…cause this is the most inefficient place in the world… - haighter May 4, 2025, 19:51:00
- Seriously,this cannot last until 2027, much less 2029. - Sammich May 4, 2025, 19:28:54
- Between this and the film tariff I'd say there's a 30% chance he watched The Rock today* - RVA May 4, 2025, 19:03:38
- I legit wonder what he thinks the time was when there was no crime problem* - Desert May 4, 2025, 18:48:16
- ridiculous price tag but cool* - LeatherneckIllini May 4, 2025, 18:47:41
- 100% tariffs on foreign films* - ECEIllinois May 4, 2025, 18:37:38
- Good news! The Signal clone used by the Trump administration has been hacked. - ATL May 4, 2025, 18:11:39
- where is gas $1.98? * - MC May 4, 2025, 17:40:08
- The lightsaber color is the tell - ATL May 4, 2025, 17:13:19
- How is this shit legal? - VIV May 3, 2025, 22:39:18
- The antifascist trend continues in Australia. Labour wins and the Tory candidate loses his seat, as - ATL May 3, 2025, 17:12:16
- Things are going great for the FAA - ATL May 3, 2025, 11:58:00
- This fucking guy. (NPS cuts) - EffinIllini May 3, 2025, 10:52:34
- The Donald is now campaigning for the papacy. - complainant May 2, 2025, 22:51:54
- I see him doing this but the fact that the white house official account posts this stuff - Taz May 3, 2025, 8:35:35
- Well that is offensive.* - SurfTheBoneyard May 3, 2025, 7:10:22
- Thie is rhetorical, but does he realize how craven and miniacal that is?* - Sounder May 3, 2025, 4:29:59
- Do you realize they do this for the liberal REEEEEEEEE!!! * - haighter May 3, 2025, 8:37:30
- Man, it’s so great to finally have a President who trolls his own country * - PapaDels May 3, 2025, 21:29:06
- You get how insane that is though, right?* - VIV May 3, 2025, 20:16:19
- yes, and I'm telling you that's fucking pathological* - Sounder May 3, 2025, 11:58:36
- Embarrassing yourself daily on a worldwide stage to pwn half your country - RVA May 3, 2025, 11:25:23
- I know a lot of Catholics that aren’t liberals.* - SurfTheBoneyard May 3, 2025, 9:00:53
- Yes, it’s a severe psychological disability. * - doubledown May 3, 2025, 8:55:29
- The Perkins Coie judge has permanently enjoined the EO - gvibes May 2, 2025, 21:19:16
- Fetterman is off his meds. - complainant May 2, 2025, 17:10:24
- tl:dr* - VIV May 2, 2025, 21:33:47
- Must be dusty at the WH. Trump blinks in the Maine transgender lawsuit. - ATL May 2, 2025, 16:57:34
- Farmers have buyer’s remorse - Stu May 2, 2025, 16:36:17
- As of Monday, all DHS (and sounds like CISA) employees must be at work 9-5… - LeatherneckIllini May 1, 2025, 17:25:20
- This man is our President - Sounder May 1, 2025, 16:43:26
- a declaration of unity and love - Sounder May 1, 2025, 16:32:21
- Walz caught using Signal during Cabinet meeting - ATL May 1, 2025, 14:55:06
- Wow so Waltz is staying on as UN ambassador and Marco is now dual NSA/SoS* - CanHartlebHireSnider May 1, 2025, 14:02:54
- AEA use to deport people permanently enjoined by a Trump-appointed judge - ATL May 1, 2025, 13:05:50
- When you take out the negative numbers, things are great - Sounder May 1, 2025, 12:58:46
- Stephen Miller is a fucking ghoul - Sounder May 1, 2025, 12:56:39
- He's the embodiment of Carlin's joke about white guys shaving their heads - WhitmansFolly May 1, 2025, 15:57:25
- Well, Senor Lik-A-Stik, handing the money over to the states means you’ve got - memyselfandillini May 1, 2025, 14:48:56
- said before, but I'm convinced that if he were gone, this wouldn't be half as bad* - cpsteine May 1, 2025, 14:07:21
- one thing that radiates from Stephen Miller is the palpable love he has for America* - Sammich May 1, 2025, 13:00:51
- I think that the Democrats need to take back patriotism - Sounder May 1, 2025, 13:04:42
- Ah, so essentially the Hitler Youth. Shocking idea coming from him.* - KingTalkyTiki May 1, 2025, 13:00:27
- Another thing from the Moran interview I missed - Trump thinks China will eat the 145% tariffs - gvibes May 1, 2025, 12:45:49
- another day, another example of cartoonish evil - assassin May 1, 2025, 12:42:43
- No way to have predicted what would happen but in hindsight… - OB25 May 1, 2025, 13:00:36
- What a fucking disgrace - Jackie May 1, 2025, 12:52:15
- At least RFK's pro-ivermectin policies will help with the hookworm* - gvibes May 1, 2025, 12:49:55
- 30 second mark - Sounder May 1, 2025, 12:48:27
- I say "Sorry Alabama, you get what you voted for.".... - KingTalkyTiki May 1, 2025, 12:47:34
- President OSKEE - GMAW May 1, 2025, 12:39:41
- ooo - opey8 May 1, 2025, 11:12:50
- Mike Waltz and his deputy are out of the administration per CBS News alert - ATL May 1, 2025, 10:17:39
- MS fires Trumpy Simpson Thatcher and hires Resisty Jenner & Block - ATL May 1, 2025, 10:03:53
- Our HHS secretary: the MMR vaccine contains "aborted fetus debris" - gvibes May 1, 2025, 9:40:09
- Web site design is my passion - gvibes May 1, 2025, 9:27:22
- Looks like futures are trump* - snipes824 April 30, 2025, 20:06:31
- Woah, Apple hit with a nasty order in the Epic case, along with a criminal contempt referral - gvibes April 30, 2025, 17:45:13
- US and Ukraine finally sign minerals deal - CanHartlebHireSnider April 30, 2025, 17:08:48
- Microsoft and Meta with good earnings reports. Thanks, Trump* - timmer April 30, 2025, 16:59:29
- So sad: Dakota State U. planned to give Noem an honorary degree, but backed outt* - Stu April 30, 2025, 16:37:56
- Child porn poster gets to be in the White House press corps - ATL April 30, 2025, 16:10:53
- Trump's S&P and DJIA. Biden's NASDAQ* - timmer April 30, 2025, 15:18:14
- ooo - ATL April 30, 2025, 14:58:08
- Hey Sammich - Sounder April 30, 2025, 14:36:28
- Project 2025 tracker - - MC April 30, 2025, 13:31:16
- Allegedly the Trump admin has changed course and is keeping the de minimis exception. - gvibes April 30, 2025, 12:49:22
- I'm looking forward to Trump ruining Christmas, Grinch style - Sounder April 30, 2025, 12:43:37
- Musk is like a dorky 14 year old boy entertaining his family reunion - Sounder April 30, 2025, 12:15:02
- How are we going to survive this? - Sounder April 30, 2025, 12:14:04
- ooo - Memphian April 30, 2025, 13:47:39
- 258 million lives saved, so like, 3/4 of the total US population - Sounder April 30, 2025, 12:04:12
- When the Dow and S&P eek into the green today, is that Biden’s or Trump’s market?* - snipes824 April 30, 2025, 11:56:40
- where is the official application/info website for gold card visas? - Nobster April 30, 2025, 11:28:21
- Portnoy has entered the chat - Sounder April 30, 2025, 11:09:48
- Stock market....assigning credit/blame - UofIL6 April 30, 2025, 9:23:50
- I can’t believe how disastrous Trump is - Sounder April 30, 2025, 9:15:49
- “The kind of plants you work in for the rest of your life - VIV April 30, 2025, 8:58:53
- On the list of dumb things this guy has said, I can’t take too much issue with this one. - OB25 April 30, 2025, 10:09:42
- the good old days when nobody rose above their station. - memyselfandillini April 30, 2025, 9:59:18
- That actually appeals to some people. They want to wake up at the same time, go to the same place - doubledown April 30, 2025, 9:07:04
- most people want something more for their kids* - memyselfandillini April 30, 2025, 10:00:04
- It's only appealing if there's a pension waiting for you, along with your 401K* - KCWildcat April 30, 2025, 9:23:45
- Sounds like an enticing career at Meta. * - haighter April 30, 2025, 9:17:33
- lol* - RVA April 30, 2025, 9:36:33
- That's true, but I recall some recent polling where bringing back manufacturing jobs is - Warrin'_Illini April 30, 2025, 9:12:13
- Serfin' USA* - Sammich April 30, 2025, 9:03:44
- To serve his kids.* - SurfTheBoneyard April 30, 2025, 9:01:30
- weird economic data continues - lower hires, higher consumption, negative gdp - John Coctostan April 30, 2025, 8:19:43
- Navarro having a Mrs. Lincoln moment - ATL April 30, 2025, 10:02:41
- IMHO, a recession is inevitable. It's baked into the cards. - Stu April 30, 2025, 9:06:17
- But as always, none of this is trumps fault. - John Coctostan April 30, 2025, 8:58:01
- We are focked. Down 0.3% in Q1 is more like down 1% - timmer April 30, 2025, 8:48:17
- People are stocking up. We're boned. * - doubledown April 30, 2025, 8:31:31
- I choose to believe the theory that Miller is the shadow President* - MC April 29, 2025, 21:17:36
- Speaking of Miller, his race mentor just died of cancer. I must remember dril’s admonition right now - ATL April 30, 2025, 6:21:47
- On immigration it certainly is plausible - DT April 30, 2025, 6:20:57
- I've been saying something to this effect for weeks. The granular cruelness can be from nobody else* - cpsteine April 29, 2025, 21:44:12
- sociopath, psychopath what’s the difference?* - memyselfandillini April 29, 2025, 21:22:45
- Trump thinks Kilmar Abrego Garcia literally had the letters MS and 13 tattooed on his hand - ECEIllinois April 29, 2025, 20:19:02
- JFC Dems, don't listen to Marshall on this - ATL April 30, 2025, 9:58:57
- He also said he could get Abrego Garcia back any time by picking up the phone. Lol* - gvibes April 29, 2025, 21:43:45
- I don’t think he thinks that. I think the reporter is doing a disservice - CanHartlebHireSnider April 29, 2025, 20:36:34
- This must be an example of the board being open to other views* - CoronaTheirAss April 30, 2025, 7:00:25
- Does anyone still have that old Ignore Poster script?* - Stu April 30, 2025, 6:09:23
- nm* - VIV April 30, 2025, 7:55:30
- I dont know how you can watch that clip and have that be the takeaway. - tvillini April 29, 2025, 21:09:30
- LOL. You're gonna have to show your work* - opey8 April 29, 2025, 21:03:09
- wut* - Blazer April 29, 2025, 21:00:53
- We are fvcked as a country* - timmer April 29, 2025, 20:56:03
- yeah, it's a horrible move to accept that framing of the argument - Sammich April 29, 2025, 20:46:30
- Come on man* - Tortillini April 29, 2025, 20:44:56
- Huh? Did you watch the clip?* - Carl Spackler April 29, 2025, 20:42:15
- I did watch the clip - CanHartlebHireSnider April 29, 2025, 21:14:07
- Let me paraphrase your direct words - Sounder April 30, 2025, 0:11:29
- Now if the reporter wanted to challenge whether they actually represented MS-13 - CanHartlebHireSnider April 29, 2025, 21:48:35
- Dude, the reporter said "he had some tattoos that were interpreted that way," - gvibes April 29, 2025, 21:37:17
- lulz* - chorizo April 29, 2025, 21:33:47
- If you believe (or have proof) the tattoos were photoshopped, what is a better way to message?* - UofIL6 April 29, 2025, 21:15:55
- Based on X snippets, there was some real doozies of Trump answers during that interview* - UofIL6 April 29, 2025, 20:20:35
- He might now, involuntarily, after they got through with him.* - SurfTheBoneyard April 29, 2025, 20:20:20
- Lindsay Graham, with his mouth full of Trump’s balls, says conclave should keep an open mind - doubledown April 29, 2025, 19:38:56
- The most successful 100 days of any administration in the history of our country - Sounder April 29, 2025, 18:00:58
- Somebody tell New York State to fuck off with this kind of shit, please... - cpsteine April 29, 2025, 17:11:02
- Trump has already saved over 119 million lives in 100 days. Have you said thank you even once? - ECEIllinois April 29, 2025, 17:08:34
- ICE raids family's home, steals all their shit - assassin April 29, 2025, 16:46:01
- JB: He's running! - ATL April 29, 2025, 15:18:35
- Fox Business host sounding an awful lot like an anti-capitalist - ECEIllinois April 29, 2025, 14:06:29
- 20K jobs at UPS are toast. - assassin April 29, 2025, 13:24:28
- Gov't argued that any decisions in the Perkins Coie case would be binding only on the agencies sued. - ATL April 29, 2025, 12:46:43
- This is so fucked up - Sounder April 29, 2025, 11:33:47
- GM is pulling its profit guidance for the year due to significant effects of tarrifs - ATL April 29, 2025, 11:29:31
- Someday he will finally die, and we will all get to celebrate his death* - Sounder April 29, 2025, 11:22:18
- Hegseth gets rid of another Biden DoD policy that was enacted by Trump - snipes824 April 29, 2025, 10:41:54
- Consumer confidence lowest in 5 years - larue33 April 29, 2025, 9:25:39
- This is probably an actual big deal - John Coctostan April 29, 2025, 6:00:49
- Bought some AMZN at $184 near the opening - timmer April 29, 2025, 10:45:28
- Ah well nevertheless - snipes824 April 29, 2025, 9:23:17
- Even 'garchs like Bezos must be tiring of Trump's bullshit.* - Warrin'_Illini April 29, 2025, 8:29:21
- LOL, press secretary calls it a hostile/political act* - UofIL6 April 29, 2025, 8:18:07
- Trump will threaten something and they’ll fold* - snipes824 April 29, 2025, 8:17:17
- will allow people to compute Amazon's import price which is moderately interesting* - Orangeillini April 29, 2025, 8:13:42
- As they should. It’s just another tax.* - ATL April 29, 2025, 6:04:17
- Liberals projected to win in Canada* - ECEIllinois April 28, 2025, 21:18:41
- Trump almost singlehandedly kept the liberals in charge in Canada* - Sounder April 29, 2025, 10:35:42
- Conservatives polled up 27 points just a few months ago* - opey8 April 29, 2025, 7:32:14
- Holy crap, the NYT said that the Tory candidate for PM lost his seat too.* - ATL April 29, 2025, 6:06:18
- It’s like Trump was purposefully juicing their result. Even this morning with that truth - CanHartlebHireSnider April 28, 2025, 21:24:54
- Trump will issue on EO overturning the Canadian election* - Stu April 28, 2025, 21:22:55
- DOGE chuds gain access to the secure networks at DOE and National Nuclear Security Administration - IlliniRunner April 28, 2025, 19:50:20
- Illinois votes to enter the mutual defense compact - ATL April 28, 2025, 17:10:06
- all of Doge's savings fell into the ocean - assassin April 28, 2025, 17:03:29
- What are these import fees, "did I miss something?" - ATL April 28, 2025, 15:25:00
- DUPLICATE* - ATL April 28, 2025, 15:24:01
- hey let's further blow up the supply chain by demanding all truckers speak english - assassin April 28, 2025, 13:42:55
- Sure another EO, why not. Cant get anything else done* - Mrap24 April 28, 2025, 18:09:07
- I figured getting a CDL was dependent on being able to read road signs.* - Warrin'_Illini April 28, 2025, 16:22:18
- I can see this a bit with HazMat but otherwise seems silly.* - SurfTheBoneyard April 28, 2025, 15:52:09
- Seriously, how can an EO compel that?* - opossum jenkins April 28, 2025, 15:28:20
- they have no jurisdiction or authority* - memyselfandillini April 28, 2025, 20:43:19
- How can an EO do any of this, but here we are* - Sounder April 28, 2025, 16:48:36
- Trump is the executive and he wants to do it. According to Republicans, his whims are law.* - DT April 28, 2025, 15:54:26
- I believe it's already the law that truckers need to be proficient in english - CanHartlebHireSnider April 28, 2025, 15:53:33
- EMERGENCY!* - ATL April 28, 2025, 15:28:37
- Given the community's success in the spelling bee, I think the indian truckers are going to knock - ATL April 28, 2025, 14:17:06
- I would like to see them all pass a 1970s CB lingo test - memyselfandillini April 28, 2025, 14:14:48
- I hope they don’t have to be able to read English - memyselfandillini April 28, 2025, 14:10:45
- lol how does one even measure this - BradUnderwoodforprez April 28, 2025, 13:48:30
- Started in Mississippi then blew up to national this month. - illini April 28, 2025, 13:46:53
- How little coverage this Vancouver festival attack has gotten - Sounder April 28, 2025, 12:42:28
- Duckworth endorses Stratton. Rolling it all out early* - CanHartlebHireSnider April 28, 2025, 11:11:55
- This seems bad - Sounder April 28, 2025, 10:50:26
- Currently listening to a guy outside of my office bitching that he got hit with a $198... - Tuscy April 28, 2025, 10:50:18
- I was hoping for one positive outcome of tariffs on China, - larue33 April 28, 2025, 10:47:16
- I'm mostly fascinated by the gulf right now in hard and soft economic data - John Coctostan April 28, 2025, 10:46:50
- 145% China tariffs currently in place - Sounder April 28, 2025, 10:42:36
- Trump's approval numbers are days away from him just abolishing the IRS* - Sounder April 28, 2025, 10:41:02
- Also, this did make me laugh. - EffinIllini April 28, 2025, 10:23:39
- I think Trump is singlehandedly going to get the liberals reelected in Canada* - Sounder April 28, 2025, 10:22:41
- Stock your freezers as bacon is gonna get really cheap for a bit... - EffinIllini April 28, 2025, 10:20:57
- Farmers have to plan what seed to plant now. I can't even imagine. - Stu April 28, 2025, 10:14:28
- Wait, does China buy soybeans from the US? - Sounder April 28, 2025, 10:07:52
- Little Donny seems big mad about his polling numbers - Sounder April 28, 2025, 10:07:10
- who could have possibly seen this com- - VIV April 28, 2025, 9:59:31
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