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Alacron/Scorpion sting. What to do?

Posted by RaulZ <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/lamanzanillainfo/info/user=RaulZ' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 21, 2024, 3:43 pm

At nearly seventy I’ve been stung three times by scorpions. First in the middle of nowhere Baja California,then Baldwin beach, Maui, and now here in La Manzanilla a year ago, and I’ve survived so far. My question is, if you were stung in middle of the night what would you do? We’ve had a lot of scorpions recently though no one has been stung so far this season. Gracias. Raul

Re: Alacron/Scorpion sting. What to do?

Posted by SpencerC <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/lamanzanillainfo/info/user=SpencerC' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 21, 2024, 5:41 pm, in reply to "Alacron/Scorpion sting. What to do?"
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I haven’t been stung “yet”, but the first thing I’m going to try is Daniel’s suggestion of a lime, cut open and roasted a little over the gas burner, then applied to sting site. Has anyone tried this?

SpencerC/Moderator

Re: Alacron/Scorpion sting. What to do?

Posted by JeanneC <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/lamanzanillainfo/info/user=JeanneC' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 21, 2024, 7:09 pm, in reply to "Re: Alacron/Scorpion sting. What to do?"

Liquid Benadryl really helps. Take it right away. If you feel difficulty breathing, get to the Centro de Salud right away. They have anti-venom in stock. If the Centro is closed, either drive to the hospital in Cihuatlan or call the ambulance.

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Posted by mmann <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/lamanzanillainfo/info/user=mmann' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 21, 2024, 8:31 pm, in reply to "Re: Alacron/Scorpion sting. What to do?"

cloropiramna is available in the pharmacy, the same thing as in the Centro de salud.
always keep it on hand, it is cheap, does not require a doctor, and is very fast-acting

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Posted by Jean-Philipe W <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/lamanzanillainfo/info/user=Jean-Philipe+W' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 22, 2024, 9:13 pm, in reply to "Re: Alacron/Scorpion sting. What to do?"

Avapena / Cloropiramina

Available at the Farmacia a few doors away from the Immigration office in Melaque, maybe at other pharmacies too.

Lime on the sting

Posted by Faith S <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/lamanzanillainfo/info/user=Faith+S' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 22, 2024, 7:25 am, in reply to "Re: Alacron/Scorpion sting. What to do?"

When I was stung in June, I immediately went to my Mexican neighbor. She squeezed lime juice over the sting, then placed the lime on the sting and wrapped it in place. She also fed me a clove of garlic and made me drink an "herbal" tea. I had no pain from the sting, just numbing. It took over 3 hours for me to get severe enough symptoms to seek medical assistance. I went to Melaque to the Centro de Salud and received an iv treatment.
Everything I read said symptoms should appear within an hour. Not sure if the neighbors treatment was the reason for the delay of sickness or not.

Suck and Spit?

Posted by Channie <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/lamanzanillainfo/info/user=Channie' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 22, 2024, 9:13 am, in reply to "Lime on the sting"

In BC we sometimes have lots of stinging yellow jackets. Some folks are highly allergic to these nasty stings.
One of the wilderness first aid treatments used for allergic/anaphalactic responses to wasp stings is to suck hard on the puncture site and spit. Suck and spit. Suck and spit. It’s physics. Sucking reverses the flow of the venom, minimizing the amount of venom that enters the body. Spitting, well, gets rid of the poison you’ve sucked out. To be effective, this must be done asap after the sting.
I’m guessing the sucking and spitting technique might work on scorpion stings, too? (Might require a friend depending on sting location!)😵‍💫

Also, Jeannie mentions Benedryl syrup. Drink dose asap after you’re stung.
In addition, I have found Benedryl CREAM a super useful topical (applied externally) form of the antihistamine, super handy for stings and bites. It works on the site itself. I carry it with me. Not sure if you can buy Benedryl Cream in Mx? Also comes in generic brands.
🏝🏝🔆🏝🏝

Re: Alacron/Scorpion sting. What to do?

Posted by Jane G <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/lamanzanillainfo/info/user=Jane+G' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 22, 2024, 10:52 am, in reply to "Alacron/Scorpion sting. What to do?"

The little bugger got me when I wrung out my mop washing the kitchen floor. I thought the Fabuloso on a paper cut was causing the intense burning sensation. When numbness started traveling up my arm, I realized I'd been stung.
After shouting a string of colorful colloquialisms, I poured tequila on the sting site and drank a liberal dose for good measure. Then I called a friend to be on alert in case things went sideways. I was fine, the pain went away, and the numbness lasted for several days. I never touched another wet mop!
I do not recommend this course of action for scorpion stings. It worked for me, but everyone reacts differently. Listen to your body and take appropriate action, seeking medical help if necessary.

Re: Alacron/Scorpion sting. What to do?

Posted by evyb <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/lamanzanillainfo/info/user=evyb' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 22, 2024, 10:51 pm, in reply to "Re: Alacron/Scorpion sting. What to do?"

I would for sure have your casa sprayed. Just get out for the day.

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Posted by Pablo <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/lamanzanillainfo/info/user=Pablo' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 23, 2024, 1:13 am, in reply to "Re: Alacron/Scorpion sting. What to do?"

I happened upon this interesting article on scorpions in general, with a short discussion on the use of cloropiramina for stings near the end.

"Many people take antihistamines, specifically cloropiramina (Avapena), which can mask but not resolve the symptoms."

https://theguadalajarareporter.net/index.php/mex-lifestyles/mexican-lifestyles/health/44017-warning-scorpion-stings-can-vary-from-mild-to-deadly

Re: Alacron/Scorpion sting. What to do?

Posted by mmann <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/lamanzanillainfo/info/user=mmann' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 23, 2024, 7:09 am, in reply to "Re: Alacron/Scorpion sting. What to do?"

that sounds like a non-experience-based statement

Re: Alacron/Scorpion sting. What to do?

Posted by mmann <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/lamanzanillainfo/info/user=mmann' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 23, 2024, 11:05 am, in reply to "Re: Alacron/Scorpion sting. What to do?"

You can lead a horse to water but you will confuse him with the facts if his mind is already made up.

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Posted by evyb <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/lamanzanillainfo/info/user=evyb' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 23, 2024, 2:08 pm, in reply to "Re: Alacron/Scorpion sting. What to do?"

Not sure what those two comments to Pablo were all about MMann, but it always surprises me when some people just shut down and don’t want to learn anything new, and then ‘dis’ those people just trying to be helpful. Paul is actually an Entomologist and does know a thing or two about ‘bugs’. But more importantly, he has a reasoned, practical mind which unfortunately you seemed to not like. Please correct me if I have misunderstood your posts. What we don’t need here is another message board ongoing rant, much to do about nothing.

Re: Alacron/Scorpion sting. What to do?

Posted by RaulZ <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/lamanzanillainfo/info/user=RaulZ' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 23, 2024, 8:29 am, in reply to "Re: Alacron/Scorpion sting. What to do?"

Muchas gracias vecinos. With the sting in La Manzanilla last year I took 600 mg ibuprofen and an ibuprofen pill a friend brought over. Pain peaked at about a hour in and within three hours begin abating by end of day forgotten for the most part. I’m thinking it wasn’t a full fledged sting or maybe after three stings I’m not so allergic. I’m thinking what I really wanted to know was if it’s in the middle of night, our central clinic is closed, Melaque clinic is closed, what is nearest hospital to get treatment? Cihuatlán??

Re: Alacron/Scorpion sting. What to do?

Posted by JeanneC <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/lamanzanillainfo/info/user=JeanneC' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 23, 2024, 12:09 pm, in reply to "Re: Alacron/Scorpion sting. What to do?"

Cihuatlan has had the anti-venom in the past, but unfortunately, the situation keeps changing. Our ambulance team was promised by the director of hospitals to get training and a supply of anti-venom so we could help 24/7. That never happened. I'll be back in La Manz next week, and that's one of the things on my list to deal with ASAP.

Re: Alacron/Scorpion sting. What to do?

Posted by CarolL <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/lamanzanillainfo/info/user=CarolL' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 23, 2024, 3:57 pm, in reply to "Re: Alacron/Scorpion sting. What to do?"

I asked CHATGPT how Antivenom is made, and how must it be stored. Note that it is very different than an antihistamine.

It sounds like a great idea to buy antihistamine liquid and cream to have on hand. And also to be aware of different ways to get to someone who can give you the Antivenom, in case you need it as well.

And if you read this article, you'll see that the Antivenom has special requirements for how it is stored (and a shelf life, even in cold storage). So, it's understandable that it isn't always instantly available and is expensive.

https://chatgpt.com/share/67196ed0-c020-8008-9d82-3f5fde3a5789

Re: Alacron/Scorpion sting. What to do?

Posted by DanPatman <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/lamanzanillainfo/info/user=DanPatman' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 24, 2024, 7:34 am, in reply to "Re: Alacron/Scorpion sting. What to do?"

CarolL is correct, antivenom is not just a simple antihistamine. Completely different chemicals altogether and very expensive.

Also 'sucking' out venom has been discounted by the medical profession for a while now, you can cause more tissue damage around the wound and also cause infection from your mouth doing so.

Dan
Flip Flop Nomad Tours

Re: Alacron/Scorpion sting. What to do?

Posted by BecciS <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/lamanzanillainfo/info/user=BecciS' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 24, 2024, 7:57 pm, in reply to "Re: Alacron/Scorpion sting. What to do?"

Carol thank you for being our voice of reason.

Re: Alacron/Scorpion sting. What to do?

Posted by jills <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/lamanzanillainfo/info/user=jills' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 28, 2024, 7:09 pm, in reply to "Alacron/Scorpion sting. What to do?"

Just chew up your cigarette slowly. Put the wad on the wound.

The nicotine will be taken into your body thru the membranes of your mouth while you chew. Personally, I would just put a nicotine patch on my chest and charcoal with a bandaid on the sting site. Hi dose injectable vitamin C is also said to be highly effective. Poisons from insects, snakes, sting rays, etc are similar. They can be neutralized. I'm thinking Edta capsules would also be effective. Thing is, no harm in trying, should know fairly quickly if they work. Besides, that nicotine will also gobble up those yukky nanobots in your body! How great is that!

Re: Alacron/Scorpion sting. What to do?

Posted by evyb <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/lamanzanillainfo/info/user=evyb' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 30, 2024, 1:22 pm, in reply to "Re: Alacron/Scorpion sting. What to do?"

Please don’t put a nicotine patch on your chest unless you want to have arythmia., dangerous! It’s too close to your heart.

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