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The Multiverse Paradox

Posted by Mondo Fuego™ on November 9, 2025, 10:17 am

Many Astrophysicists do not believe in God because He cannot be seen and there is no proof of His existence. On the other hand, they believe in a "multiverse" which cannot be seen and for which there is no proof of its existence.

Now, how did they reject one "leap of faith" but get sucked in by another?

Go figure!

some thoughts on the multiverse

Posted by trish on November 13, 2025, 2:55 pm, in reply to "The Multiverse Paradox"

I have one friend who is an astrophysicist and another I knew who passed away a bit ago. This is very short (and the details on the theory are VERY long) but it's an overview

Cosmic inflation: The theory of cosmic inflation, which describes the universe's rapid expansion right after the Big Bang, predicts a "multiverse" of bubble universes that are constantly forming.
This process could be eternal, creating an infinite number of universes.

Each bubble universe could have different physical laws and constants.

These universes would be separated by ever-inflating space, making them undetectable.

Fine-tuning problem: The fundamental constants of our universe—like the strength of gravity or the electromagnetic force—seem to be precisely calibrated for life to exist.

If these constants were even slightly different, complex structures like stars and galaxies would not have formed.

The multiverse offers a solution: if there are countless universes with varying constants, it is not surprising that at least one would have the "right" conditions for life, and we would naturally find ourselves in that one.

Many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics: This interpretation of quantum physics suggests that every time a quantum event with multiple possible outcomes occurs, the universe splits into separate universes, with each outcome taking place in a different one.

For example, if a particle can be in two states at once, the universe would split so that one universe contains the particle in one state and another universe contains it in the other.

If ...

Posted by Mondo Fuego™ on March 16, 2026, 2:03 am, in reply to "some thoughts on the multiverse"

... you chew enough bubble gum and drink lots of beer in an English pub with your university buddies every night, you are bound to come up with similar cockamanie fantasies.

You might even be doing that simultaneously in an infinite number of parallel universes.

Hic! How dry I am.

How does space "inflate"? That's a new one.

Posted by Mondo Fuego™ on November 13, 2025, 4:17 pm, in reply to "some thoughts on the multiverse"

Nice fairy tale. Which AI did you copy this stuff from?

With the billions of stars in each of the billions of galaxies in our known universe, it is more than statistically probable that more than one planet would have the conditions necessary for organic life to emerge.

We don't need those other imaginary universes to find ourselves a habitable home. We are already here. Duh!

Astrophysicists fancy themselves as knowing phenomena beyond our universe, especially after a few schooners of Boddington Ale at the pub. They just make this stuff up. In reality, they don't know much about our own universe. They are still in early discovery more.

The big bang theory is a hoax.

Preposterous poppycock.

Now, tell me in your own words, how does space "inflate"? It is already boundless.

Nuff said.

You clearly never studied any science….or your Iq is too low to understand.

Posted by KR on November 15, 2025, 6:20 pm, in reply to "How does space "inflate"? That's a new one."

Stupid fellow, you can't run with the big dogs because your pea-sized brain can't keep up.

Posted by Mondo Fuego™ on March 16, 2026, 2:32 am, in reply to "You clearly never studied any science….or your Iq is too low to understand."

You will just have to lay up sorry on the porch with your 1930s Kenmore wringer-type washer and 3-legged mutt.

You are totally incapable of offering intellectual content. You are a stultified lexicon of trite expletives.

You are just a culturally-void poseur.

Posted by Mondo Fuego™ on November 18, 2025, 7:29 pm, in reply to "You clearly never studied any science….or your Iq is too low to understand."

Answer the f**king question. How does space, which is thought to be infinite, "inflate", asshat?

Do I make you look bad? You never seem to have anything intelligent to say.

You are an irrelevant old fool.

Posted by KR on March 15, 2026, 8:35 pm, in reply to "You are just a culturally-void poseur."

Learn your fucking place.

You don't have enough macroscopic insight to understand how an anvil works.

Posted by Mondo Fuego™ on March 17, 2026, 10:38 am, in reply to "You are an irrelevant old fool."

So, you are relegated to your anger-filled lexicon of expletives as your sole method of participating in discussions that are thousands of fathoms over your miniscule brain.

All Objects Fly Apart From One Another

Posted by DFM on November 14, 2025, 12:03 pm, in reply to "How does space "inflate"? That's a new one."

the big bang theory represents the most plausible

Posted by trish on November 14, 2025, 7:38 am, in reply to "How does space "inflate"? That's a new one."

explanation for the origin of the Universe and evolution. As we learn more it may need revision. But for now it stands as well-supported

If you want to know more about astrophysics, ask a person with that degree. Mine is my best friend.

But, how does space "inflate", given that space is thought to be infinite?

Posted by Mondo Fuego™ on November 15, 2025, 6:00 pm, in reply to "the big bang theory represents the most plausible"

If you don't know the answer, ask your best friend.

Space isn't thought to be infinite by all.

Posted by 7:77 on November 18, 2025, 10:14 am, in reply to "But, how does space "inflate", given that space is thought to be infinite?"

It's really difficult (and I mean really difficult) to conceptualize, but the "wavefront" of universe's expansion may represent the finite-but-increasing limit of space itself.

Beyond that? "Beyond" would be a null and meaningless concept if this is the case. "Beyond" would be nothing...not vacuum, but literally nothing...non-existence.

As for multiverse theory, I personally consider it unlikely. I understand what's being asserted reasonably well (at least for a math-adept layperson), but I'm not convinced it's the most likely theory.

I am getting this picture of a finite bubble of space ...

Posted by Mondo Fuego™ on March 23, 2026, 10:59 pm, in reply to "Space isn't thought to be infinite by all."

... bounded by a wall of nothing, but space can expand into the nothingness as needed to accommodate expanding matter?

What if I am on a planet of a star that is at the edge of space and fire a rocket into that nothing wall?

I have a real problem with two aspects of current theory:

1. The "nothing"
2. String theory.

We go to all the trouble to discover and define chemical compounds, a periodic table of elements, isotopes, atoms, protons, neutrons, electrons, 6 "flavors" of quarks, gluons, leptons, photons, neutrinos, positrons, muons, hadrons, pions, mesons and baryons ... and they are all just tiny, one-dimensional vibrating filaments of energy called "strings".

Give me a break. Brian Greene is just "stringing us along".

Space is nothing. Matter gives space a frame of reference for thought.

Posted by Mondo Fuego™ on March 16, 2026, 2:24 am, in reply to "Space isn't thought to be infinite by all."

There may be a limit on matter, but there is no limit on space.

You will never run out of space to accomodate matter.

I have no trouble conceptualizing infinite space. People get all hung up on the notion that space must expand to accomodate expanding matter. Space doesn't give a damn about matter. Space is virtually infinitely larger in volume than matter.

To put a limit on space is putting thought on a Mobius strip.

Space is not nothing

Posted by Samuel Martin Panz on March 16, 2026, 3:14 pm, in reply to "Space is nothing. Matter gives space a frame of reference for thought."

It is a physical construct that interacts with matter and energy. Each has distinct properties.

Some properties have yet to be clearly defined.
Like Gravity waves.
Some properties may actually be emergent rather than inherent.
Looking at you Higgs Boson
Some properties are undiscovered.
Dark Matter/Energy

Some properties have yet to be clearly defined.

Posted by Mondo Fuego on March 31, 2026, 6:02 pm, in reply to "Space is not nothing"

So, your premise is inconclusive, right?

Conclusivity.

Posted by Samuel Martin Panz on March 31, 2026, 10:40 pm, in reply to "Some properties have yet to be clearly defined."

I'm waiting for Mondo the Minister of Education and Culture to L34rN U5 4 F3w ƒ@¢†s.

Mondo posts on 3/14 RE:quantum fundamentals

https://mb.boardhost.com/ReligionAndEthics/msg/1773592334.html

Ken mentions Dark Matter in reply
https://mb.boardhost.com/ReligionAndEthics/msg/1773592334.html

Mondo concludes(?) with a paradox as evidence here.

Later Mondo attempts insults to other posters about being 'strung' along in this thread as they present information valid to the discussion.

Mondo then escalates with insults to me that Ken deletes about Mondo's inconclusion of Higgian Poppycock that CERN published years ago.

Mondo your disingenuous attempt at civil engagement at it's current status is returning a boolean value of true and non-zero.

Clarification EDIT

Posted by Samuel Martin Panz on March 31, 2026, 11:33 pm, in reply to "Conclusivity."

Mondo Posted 3/14

https://mb.boardhost.com/ReligionAndEthics/msg/1773516920.html

The reason the universe is able to expand is ...

Posted by Mondo Fuego™ on November 18, 2025, 7:37 pm, in reply to "Space isn't thought to be infinite by all."

... ta-daa ... because there is ample space to accommodate its growth.

The expansion of the universe doesn't "create more space" ... it just meekly occupies more of the infinite supply of space as needed. It doesn't even need to phone ahead for a reservation.

Perhaps so.

Posted by 7:77 on November 19, 2025, 8:25 am, in reply to "The reason the universe is able to expand is ... "

I was just presenting the explanation for a different theory. Partly because it may be correct and partly because it involves some really challenging (and therefore fun) mental effort to try and grasp.

I'm not in a position to state which is correct - and it's actually something I've looked into a bit...certain directions in physics are kind of a layperson-level hobby of mine.

The only observable limited space is ...

Posted by Mondo Fuego™ on November 19, 2025, 8:17 pm, in reply to "Perhaps so."

... here on Earth.

Good one.

Posted by GOG on November 18, 2025, 10:51 am, in reply to "Space isn't thought to be infinite by all."

Bang. Conception. Light. Life. That is the whole of the universe

Posted by GOG on November 18, 2025, 9:17 am, in reply to "But, how does space "inflate", given that space is thought to be infinite?"

There was none before conception (sex). Light, and life. Hand in glove, an unfathomable miracle. At my death the miracle is over. Death is on the other side of the Big Bang. Try as we may on a science level, humanity will never get to ‘before’ the beginning. We are left with psychological insecurity. And a God fixation. Human humility is sorely lacking.

Imagine a finite part of space expanding.

Posted by Ken C on November 16, 2025, 12:59 am, in reply to "But, how does space "inflate", given that space is thought to be infinite?"

If each little finite part of space can expand, then the whole thing should also be able to expand.

If you ran an infinite hotel with infinite rooms that were all full, then an infinite bus with infinite passengers showed up, how would you accommodate the infinite extra guests?

This explains it:

Begs the definition of "infinite", don't it?

Posted by Mondo Fuego™ on November 18, 2025, 7:44 pm, in reply to "Imagine a finite part of space expanding."

Infinity = lim(1/n) as n→0

Infinite space means room for an infinite number of infinite-sized objects, probably with infinite room to spare. Extra space is on sale on Black Friday at an infinite discount. Hurry, before another Big Bang grabs it!

An excellent observation and a very good question.

Posted by GOG on November 13, 2025, 12:57 pm, in reply to "The Multiverse Paradox"

And food for thought.

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