It seems more and more likely that the draft goes 1) QB 2) QB 3) Trade and QB 4) MHJ. Sign me up!* Archived Message
Posted by Desert on March 5, 2024, 16:32:15, in reply to "quick wild ass guesses at how the QBs shake out this offseason:"
Previous Message I've got 17 teams with what I'd consider "solid" QB situations, either because the QB is really good or is young enough that the team is going to give at least this year for a full shot: Buffalo, Miami, Cincy, Baltimore, Indy, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Houston, KC, LA Chargers, Philly, Dallas, Green Bay, Detroit, Carolina, SF, LA Rams. I've got 5 more with a clear starter that is either aging or underperforming a big contract, where the team may be looking for a backup or developmental QB: NY Jets, Cleveland, New Orleans, Arizona, Seattle Which leaves the QB needy teams as: New England, Pittsburgh, Las Vegas, Denver, Washington, NY Giants, Chicago, Minnesota, Tampa Bay, Atlanta And the following available QBs: Free agent/for trade starters: Cousins, Russ, Baker, Fields Free agent premium backups/could be a low end starter: Brissett, Tannehill, Minshew Likely day 1 starter via draft: Caleb, Maye, Daniels Draft 1st rounder, but may not start day 1: McCarthy, Nix Penix. Before free agency starts, I think Baker gets a deal done to go back to TB. Starting with free agency, the big chess piece to move first is going to be Cousins. There are many suitors for him, but I think it will come down to staying in MIN or going to ATL and I think it'll be a toss up. I think ATL will come with a stronger bid and he'll go there. Next move- where does Russ end up? Pittsburgh is the current favorite and I think it makes sense. Tomlin can't love the kids they've had rotating through and wants more of a finished product. Steelers country, let's mine. That unfortunately takes two of the main landing spots for a Fields trade, and our remaining spots are: NE, LV, DEN, NYG, WAS, MIN. Cross Minnesota off. Zero chance they trade in the division. Going to the Giants and Brian Daboll actually makes a ton of sense and can accomplish the trade up the Bears might want for a WR. Fields and pick 9 to the Giants for pick 6 and a 2025 conditional pick. New England has arguably the worst roster top to bottom in the league. I don't think the time is right for them to take a QB at 3 when they can get a haul from someone coming up for a start-now QB. I think the Patriots trade out of pick 3 in the next couple of weeks. The Broncos and Raiders are both highly motivated to come up, but the Raiders have much more draft capital to make the move. I think they go with a stop-gap starter that can float them for the next 1-2 years while they work on building the rest of the roster. Ryan Tannehill to New England. With Cousins to Atlanta in this scenario, the Vikings will take either Minshew or Brissett as a premium backup/could be our starter for a season so we don't need to put all our eggs in a rookie's basket. I think Brissett fits them better. With the Raiders making the trade up to 3, the Broncos are scrambling and have to have someone as a potential starter. I think they sign Minshew . On to the draft: Bears pick Caleb at 1. I had the Commandos going with Daniels at 2 in my first mock and I just like that fit. Raiders take Maye at 3. Then it gets pretty interesting. The Broncos are still desperate to trade up because they burned everything down and currently have Minshew as a starter in my scenario. I think they overpay with what little draft capital they have to go up to, say, pick 5 with the Chargers (even though it's intradivisional) and they draft McCarthy . Minnesota drafts at 11 and I said before I think Nix is a perfect fit for the McVay system. Kevin O'Connell and Wes Phillips are directly from that system. I think they take Nix to pair with Brissett. That leaves Penix . I can't think of a better fit for him than staying in Seattle and playing for his former Assistant head coach/offensive coordinator & quarterbacks coach at Washington Ryan Grubb, who was just hired as the Seahawks OC. So, my projections for week 1 starting QBs: New England: Ryan Tannehill, with maybe a mid round pick on a QB like Spencer Rattler. Pittsburgh: Russell Wilson Las Vegas: Drake Maye Denver: Gardner Minshew/ JJ McCarthy NY Giants: Justin Fields Washington: Jayden Daniels Chicago: Caleb Williams Minnesota: Jacoby Brissett/Bo Nix Tampa Bay: Baker Mayfield Atlanta: Kirk Cousins Seattle: Geno Smith/ Michael Penix
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- NFL Combine Week - voiceofreason February 29, 2024, 13:15:25
- Not draft but Bears expected to unveil plans for lakefront dome soon - CanHartlebHireSnider March 6, 2024, 20:39:10
- Interesting analytic on WR prospects - snipes824 March 6, 2024, 13:41:15
- Per Biggs, Bears won’t be in on free agent centers. - VIV March 6, 2024, 11:56:37
- Jaylon gets the franchise tag* - VIV March 5, 2024, 13:20:27
- quick wild ass guesses at how the QBs shake out this offseason: - VIV March 5, 2024, 12:20:47
- I’ll be shocked if anyone trades #1s and gives up another pick for JF - IlliniSax05 March 5, 2024, 16:39:55
- It seems more and more likely that the draft goes 1) QB 2) QB 3) Trade and QB 4) MHJ. Sign me up!* - Desert March 5, 2024, 16:32:15
- this would make my OFFICIAL VIV MOCK top 10 plus a bonus 6 - VIV March 5, 2024, 14:28:13
- Yeah I really, really like the Giants fit for Fields - Carl Spackler March 5, 2024, 13:42:42
- Makes a lot of sense. I think LV really loves Daniels. Not sure they'll be able to get him. - OWWDig March 5, 2024, 13:03:31
- Brian Burns franchised. Saquon Barkley was not* - HamptonSki March 5, 2024, 10:42:41
- I think the Broncos are moving up to 3 to take Maye. * - JacobRDaugherty March 5, 2024, 9:38:37
- Does NE just toss Mac Jones out for another year then? - ISeeDeadHawkeyes March 5, 2024, 10:48:54
- this is a very interesting offseason for QBs. ~10 jobs are "open." - VIV March 5, 2024, 11:11:22
- Every day it seems more likely the Bears don't get didley squat for Fields* - HamptonSki March 5, 2024, 11:15:22
- Imagine if he dominated Green Bay* - CoronaTheirAss March 5, 2024, 14:55:13
- I'm almost at the point where I think they may be stuck with him after draft - CanHartlebHireSnider March 5, 2024, 12:35:20
- reinforcing it’s time to move on as well.* - Ari Gold March 5, 2024, 12:09:47
- this* - cpsteine March 5, 2024, 12:26:03
- there's no leverage right now because a lot of QB needy teams are eyeing Cousins and maybe Russ - VIV March 5, 2024, 11:20:31
- return of jacoby brissett! * - VIV March 5, 2024, 10:54:39
- pick to be announced by Timberlake* - Sammich March 5, 2024, 9:48:30
- Who do you think the Commandos are taking at 2 then?* - HamptonSki March 5, 2024, 9:46:17
- Daniels. And I agree. I think Maye is falling a bit* - VIV March 5, 2024, 9:49:17
- Interesting. DraftKings agrees, thought he was all but a lock at #2* - HamptonSki March 5, 2024, 10:26:18
- I would want future Commanders picks. I think Daniels is going to stink in the NFL - JacobRDaugherty March 5, 2024, 9:50:56
- my hot take is Penix and Nix will be better pros than Maye and Daniels.* - VIV March 5, 2024, 9:52:44
- I really like Penix* - reggiedunlop March 5, 2024, 10:33:36
- ^^Big Gay Guy - Kajagoogoo March 5, 2024, 10:46:59
- TWSS - IlliniSax05 March 5, 2024, 10:35:33
- I don't care for Penix.* - gullit March 5, 2024, 10:21:53
- I still like Maye a lot, but Penix and Nix could wind up in better situations - bjl63 March 5, 2024, 10:09:36
- I agree on Penix, I am also non plussed by Nix. I like Pratt more than Nix - JacobRDaugherty March 5, 2024, 9:55:02
- i'm pretty sure they're moving up. i don't know if they have the juice to go all the way up to 3 - VIV March 5, 2024, 9:40:59
- 2 mocks out today from The Athletic and ESPN and both with the Bears trading up to the 5th pick - Carl Spackler March 5, 2024, 7:58:48
- Just listened to most recent Stock Exchange 3 round mock. Bears haul was underwhelming - bjl63 March 5, 2024, 14:26:20
- On the topic of the worst scenario where all 3 WR’s are gone by #9… - OB25 March 5, 2024, 9:22:34
- If they move up to 5, spend the capital to go to 4 - TarheelIllini March 5, 2024, 9:21:36
- Of the two, I want Odunze. Both seem great though * - JacobRDaugherty March 5, 2024, 8:37:55
- Of the two, which is the better fit for Williams and the Bears?* - ibdoc March 5, 2024, 8:09:11
- Tag deadline 3 PM this afternoon* - Carl Spackler March 5, 2024, 7:37:14
- Bears make trade with Bills for OL Ryan Bates (who they tried to sign last year in free agency) - DanSaint March 4, 2024, 20:19:58
- I present you: Bears mock draft porn from Lance Zeurlein - Carl Spackler March 4, 2024, 18:52:53
- Keon Coleman records fastest gauntlet time, slowest 40 time. - longsnapper March 4, 2024, 16:26:53
- route running is so much more important than straight line speed for receivers. * - VIV March 4, 2024, 20:48:20
- There are some physical minimums of size/speed/agility/strength that you have to hit - illiniranger March 4, 2024, 17:56:05
- I’ve heard a bit of talk about how bad his separation is on tape. - Carl Spackler March 4, 2024, 17:06:03
- I want the Bears to get him and one of Odunze/MHjr/Nabers.* - Warrin'_Illini March 4, 2024, 16:55:46
- Yeah, seems like all the on-field gps tracking has diminished the importance of the 40 a bit* - gvibes March 4, 2024, 16:53:34
- I mentioned this in the Isaiah Williams sub thread, but I think we all get carried away with 40 - snipes824 March 4, 2024, 16:44:52
- Broncos are releasing Wilson - UIHuskie March 4, 2024, 15:21:26
- "fascinating option" my ass - Sammich March 4, 2024, 15:37:05
- Clownshow. Also certainly doesn't help with JF's trade market.* - Warrin'_Illini March 4, 2024, 15:34:45
- Yeah I think Wilson would go straight to the top of available QBs this offseason - CanHartlebHireSnider March 4, 2024, 15:49:26
- I think Fields would now be viewed as the 8th best option by most QB needy teams - OB25 March 4, 2024, 17:42:20
- Tennessee Titans going to be all over this * - MC March 4, 2024, 16:53:53
- JF over Wilson for me* - JeffFrank March 4, 2024, 15:54:01
- He should go to the Browns* - Carl Spackler March 4, 2024, 15:51:34
- Starting to think the Bears won't find a suitor for JF and are gonna be stuck with him for awhile* - CanHartlebHireSnider March 4, 2024, 15:50:10
- $85MM in dead money! $85MM! Double the biggest dead cap hit ever!* - Carl Spackler March 4, 2024, 15:23:17
- Mike Evans back to the Bucs, 2 years, $52MM, $35MM guaranteed* - Carl Spackler March 4, 2024, 11:03:39
- nice story on the bears and their QB search - VIV March 4, 2024, 10:48:41
- new kickoff rules being discussed - snipes824 March 3, 2024, 13:17:04
- Dear Combine gods…please let one of Mims/Latham be there at 18.* - voiceofreason March 3, 2024, 11:46:46
- Report out that Dolphins DT Christian Wilkins now expected to hit FA - Carl Spackler March 3, 2024, 8:28:11
- MY GUY Brian Thomas ran a 4.34.* - Carl Spackler March 2, 2024, 21:04:49
- Isaiah Williams signed for jb12 - ab75 March 2, 2024, 18:49:52
- Xavier Worthy-WR-Texas. 4.25 40 yard* - DanSaint March 2, 2024, 17:16:21
- Caleb Williams snacking on candy and doing a sour candy challenge on NFL Network right now - DanSaint March 2, 2024, 16:23:05
- apparently Pennix measurables were taking people by surprise - DanSaint March 2, 2024, 14:34:50
- Lots of Michigan people at the event.* - gullit March 2, 2024, 14:28:08
- Keon Coleman with the 4.64. Might be more likely to be drafted in the 3rd than the 1st* - Carl Spackler March 2, 2024, 14:23:57
- Also McCarthy weighed in at 219, way more than people were expecting. - Carl Spackler March 2, 2024, 10:05:33
- Caleb measurements: 6’1” 1/8, 214, 9 3/4 hands. No size concerns* - Carl Spackler March 2, 2024, 10:04:31
- reiman just went 4.64 at 271 pounds - snipes824 March 1, 2024, 18:49:38
- just saw the Courtney Cronin bit on Awful Announcing from her apperance on ESPN1000 today - DanSaint March 1, 2024, 18:37:06
- Also, JJ McCarthy is going top 10. Think the only question now is if he goes top 5. - Carl Spackler March 1, 2024, 15:38:11
- Whoa, 4.33 for Quinyon Mitchell* - Carl Spackler March 1, 2024, 14:28:17
- Who's opted out of drills besides Caleb and Harrison?* - gullit March 1, 2024, 10:09:06
- Interesting Bears-related notes from the PFF Stock Exhange guys at the combine - OB25 February 29, 2024, 21:34:08
- Florio seems to be a fan of CW - illini21 March 1, 2024, 9:16:12
- I mean I’m glad to see it, but that is a patently ridiculous tweet from Florio - OB25 March 1, 2024, 10:34:39
- The one clear thing is that Cowherd was full of it. Williams clearly angling for the Bears at 1* - CanHartlebHireSnider March 1, 2024, 10:09:54
- It's media availability who cares?* - gullit March 1, 2024, 10:08:24
- If Florio likes him, he's probably not good* - bjl63 March 1, 2024, 9:31:59
- Pretty much everyone on Get Up seems to think Daniels is QB1* - bjl63 March 1, 2024, 9:05:17
- What’s the positive case for a team to trade for Fields? - DT March 1, 2024, 8:59:52
- Supply and demand* - HamptonSki March 1, 2024, 12:19:53
- I don't think this is that harsh - CanHartlebHireSnider March 1, 2024, 9:28:01
- As the others have said, that’s way harsh - snipes824 March 1, 2024, 9:23:21
- I know you’re playing devil’s advocate but that’s an overly harsh assessment of Fields - OB25 March 1, 2024, 9:17:43
- The proven loser is super duper harsh - Carl Spackler March 1, 2024, 9:09:09
- Listening to PMT with Schefter and as of yesterday he thinks Bears get a 2 and a 4 or 2 and a 5* - illini21 March 1, 2024, 8:40:53
- The Athletic podcast said something similar. Here’s an article getting front office perspectives - Carl Spackler March 1, 2024, 7:59:07
- Also said there are multiple teams that allegedly have Nabers rated higher then Maserati Marv* - OB25 February 29, 2024, 21:39:12
- looks like randolph had pretty mediocre testing numbers - snipes824 February 29, 2024, 16:34:22
- Uh, Tip? - EffinIllini February 29, 2024, 16:27:04
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