And to your point, I don’t know why he’s out there if he’s not 100% Archived Message Posted by Blazer on February 5, 2025, 23:05:38, in reply to "I guess I just have zero sympathy " I agree it should garner no sympathy. And reasonable minds can disagree. Even if he is healthy, fine. But there is clearly a difference in his play. Injury or not, something is wrong. Previous Message If he’s so hurt that ge can’t shoot but also turns it over more than his already absurdly high rate, that’s no excuse to trot him out there. Either say he can’t go or sit his ass. A net negative in almost every game since the new year Previous Message Nevertheless, to the larger point, perhaps the turnovers have been just as bad all season, but the rest of his game has clearly fallen off a cliff since the entry. There simply is no denying that, and it cannot be a coincidence. Previous Message https://www.barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?link=y&minGP=1&tvalue=Illinois&year=2025&start=20241101&end=20250106 Message Thread: | This response ↓ Illinois (-8.5) @ Buttgers - illini21 February 5, 2025, 6:59:21 With the caveat that you can put together a highlight reel making almost any D1 player look good - Blazer February 7, 2025, 12:51:53 he was 35-118 from 3 (29.7%) at ND notwithstanding the 4 makes in the video* - Orangeillini February 7, 2025, 13:17:35 I was surprised more by the athletic off the bounce moves* - Blazer February 7, 2025, 13:27:55 We don’t look down our nose at 29.7% around here * - meanjeans February 7, 2025, 13:24:37 yeah but he's only 5-23 (21.7%) this season* - Orangeillini February 7, 2025, 13:36:31 Getting nothing out of him this year has been a huge blow to this team. - OrangeSox February 7, 2025, 13:09:36 I don't know about "huge" - jdl February 7, 2025, 13:36:38 It's shocking how little he's contributed... remember he was in the front end of the... - uofi1998 February 7, 2025, 13:12:02 I think the plan always was for him to be a contributor later rather than sooner - bjl63 February 7, 2025, 13:15:45 I've been working on a theory - John Coctostan February 7, 2025, 13:03:43 This all kind of falls under the "10 new guys" umbrella. - uofi1998 February 7, 2025, 13:07:26 This is a big one for me - jdl February 7, 2025, 13:38:01 Who's most likely to stay? I realize this is a ridiculous exercise at this juncture, but I'm home - OWWDig February 7, 2025, 13:44:37 Not really worth trying to figure out - jdl February 7, 2025, 13:49:05 Well that's not helping with my time wasting!! lol* - OWWDig February 7, 2025, 13:49:41 LOL. He’s not wrong though.* - DocWalk20 February 7, 2025, 13:51:07 totally...which is why I originally deemed it a "ridiculous exercise!"* - OWWDig February 7, 2025, 17:49:36 Too much bulk added from Fletch.* - JFG February 7, 2025, 12:57:22 Dra sick, Tomi's ankle swollen - assassin February 7, 2025, 12:15:59 Combine this with an almost certainty someone on Minn will have a career high. - illinilosch February 7, 2025, 13:42:11 KJ has developed gigantism from the brain and nerve tonic, Morez had been lost in the mystery spot, - IlliniRunner February 7, 2025, 13:09:24 There's no way we can lose this game - Blazer February 7, 2025, 13:25:23 lol * - illini thunder February 7, 2025, 18:30:57 I'm afraid all of those players have retired and, uh... passed on* - uofi1998 February 7, 2025, 13:26:37 damnnation!* - assassin February 7, 2025, 17:52:28 ...while Tomi lays unconscious on the barroom tile...* - uofi1998 February 7, 2025, 13:12:47 Every Other Day Guys* - JFG February 7, 2025, 12:56:41 Day to Day Guys* - DocWalk20 February 7, 2025, 13:22:15 Every Once in a While Guys* - uofi1998 February 7, 2025, 13:24:07 I laughed* - HamptonSki February 7, 2025, 12:58:20 Tomi's season approaching Spinal Tap drummer levels of bad luck. * - illini February 7, 2025, 12:44:18 Really a shame... this seems like a list he could've cracked. - uofi1998 February 7, 2025, 12:49:41 Two scUM names. Thanks for getting my weekend off to a shite-y start. - osklister February 7, 2025, 14:00:07 more practice dealing with adversity!* - Ron McDon February 7, 2025, 12:40:12 LOL... that's all you can do. Just laugh.* - uofi1998 February 7, 2025, 12:25:46 If you don't laugh, you'll cry. - osklister February 7, 2025, 12:32:59 You know who is available, but won't play? - uofi1998 February 7, 2025, 12:46:40 ooo - EffinIllini February 7, 2025, 12:18:39 ooo - IlliniSax05 February 7, 2025, 13:06:57 6 seed in Lunardi’s just released bracket. Tex Tech the 3.* - GCIllini99 February 7, 2025, 11:00:50 I'd love to be a 6 seed, if that's our ceiling. Keep us out of the 4/5.* - Illiniphil February 7, 2025, 11:04:24 ten games since Oregon, we are .247 from 3. Compare that…. - memyselfandillini February 6, 2025, 19:58:07 His whole game is busted. We’ve all noted this. Rest of season flows through him - illini thunder February 7, 2025, 0:17:44 We have no idea if it's resolvable this season. Riley was written off a few weeks ago. - tvillini February 7, 2025, 8:13:55 This is where we all need to step back and remember the kid is 18 playing in a foreign country... - uofi1998 February 7, 2025, 9:42:44 Very good point and is why I hold a slimmer of hope come March. - illinilosch February 7, 2025, 9:59:39 With these super conferences, I think a new normal is going to emerge where teams' records... - uofi1998 February 7, 2025, 10:02:55 I think the scouting aspect is probably a big part of KJ's issues lately - AintHatin February 7, 2025, 10:33:30 They've really taken away the stepback to the left - reggiedunlop February 7, 2025, 12:33:37 So why? - BradUnderwoodforprez February 6, 2025, 17:24:51 I will always believe it's a failure in our offense to not get people enough open looks - reggiedunlop February 7, 2025, 12:34:39 It’s pretty well documented that we get (and miss) an insane number of quality looks - Blazer February 7, 2025, 12:46:15 Maybe it’s the sheer volume of them but I’m impressed by the violent nature of our bricks - CWR10 February 7, 2025, 8:31:07 Rutgers has some especially loud rims too... it's like a science experiment or something.* - uofi1998 February 7, 2025, 10:04:18 lol - EffinIllini February 7, 2025, 8:57:07 So why… - EffinIllini February 7, 2025, 0:10:30 Me neither. And holy cow he started every game in 2017-18. - HamptonSki February 7, 2025, 8:36:34 A couple months ago I went back and looked at our QB stats all the way back to Kittner - ijustkrushalot February 7, 2025, 10:15:21 One of the uglier jump shots to come through. Him and Aaron Cosby occupy a similar space* - CWR10 February 7, 2025, 8:48:00 Cosby is maybe the biggest puzzler to me. - DT February 7, 2025, 9:08:13 Man, do we get a lot of "blah" transfers in. - osklister February 7, 2025, 9:39:06 He was the guy Brad had put together a Powerpoint presentation - jdl February 7, 2025, 7:53:32 000 - Tooldresser February 6, 2025, 19:51:02 A lot of these guys were moving up a level in competition and responsibility. - Toonces February 6, 2025, 18:52:37 Also experience? - digs February 7, 2025, 8:07:24 Body by Fleck? Too much boat-rowing?* - IlliniOllie February 6, 2025, 18:36:41 Bill Cole in the comments blaming SFC. FURG.* - Chuck Woodaby February 6, 2025, 18:08:33 Excuse me. That’s BuckWildBill33 to you, sir.* - DocWalk20 February 6, 2025, 18:49:05 Not sure there is too much to read into that - Blazer February 6, 2025, 18:02:27 But it would suggest the staff needs to be more cautious in evaluating how guys - Blazer February 6, 2025, 18:08:14 Per Goodman Mike Woodson “contemplating retirement”* - CanHartlebHireSnider February 6, 2025, 16:52:34 Nice way of saying 'you're about to be fired' without officially doing so* - bjl63 February 6, 2025, 17:04:20 Per me IU admin contemplating his retirement.* - SurfTheBoneyard February 6, 2025, 16:56:27 You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here.... * - osklister February 6, 2025, 17:00:08 I know our Tourney resume is solid as of right now, but what is the minimum to get in? - Blazer February 6, 2025, 12:42:51 ooo - jdl February 6, 2025, 13:29:03 Saw that. Not sure they are really paying attention to our schedule - Blazer February 6, 2025, 14:58:36 He admitted in the comments it was a mistake - jdl February 7, 2025, 7:54:42 20 gets us in, some combo of regular season and BTT. Under 20, we’ll see. JMO* - uofi1998 February 6, 2025, 12:59:10 This is the time of year when people forget just how bad bubble teams are * - jdl February 6, 2025, 13:30:09 3 more regular season wins,IMO - Ron McDon February 6, 2025, 12:47:07 That would be 19-14 with probably 7 Q1 wins - Blazer February 6, 2025, 12:49:15 I'm at 4. - ISeeDeadHawkeyes February 6, 2025, 12:51:05 4 in the regular season? Or does that count the BTT? - Ron McDon February 6, 2025, 12:53:19 Regular season - ISeeDeadHawkeyes February 6, 2025, 12:53:58 Probably correct* - Ron McDon February 6, 2025, 12:54:52 I just want to get to the Tournament. I’m under no illusion that this team - Ron McDon February 6, 2025, 12:50:56 I'm sad.* - Warrin'_Illini February 6, 2025, 8:22:54 Me too. 2nd time in 3 years. - tvillini February 6, 2025, 13:56:05 I'm starting to think that I might be a jinx on the team - Sounder February 6, 2025, 10:02:53 It’s the opposite for me. Yesterday was the first loss that didn’t physically hurt me - snipes824 February 6, 2025, 8:36:43 agree. with one caveat - i'm sad that we're not fun - John Coctostan February 6, 2025, 8:47:11 Overall I’m definitely sad - snipes824 February 6, 2025, 13:59:14 agreed. I was still having fun up until the MSU game but after that, downhill* - OWWDig February 6, 2025, 9:35:54 Yup. Don't even really feel the need to watch the next few games* - ISeeDeadHawkeyes February 6, 2025, 8:37:54 Check score, watch on delay if they win. Usually I don’t like spoilers, but at this point - meanjeans February 6, 2025, 12:49:37 I'm a hybrid version of that, I think? - ISeeDeadHawkeyes February 6, 2025, 12:51:56 I'll watch, but I'm done going into any games with any sort of expectation of winning. - JFG February 6, 2025, 9:26:37 Same* - Ron McDon February 6, 2025, 9:23:09 cheer up jabroni! We're a football school! - Poldark February 6, 2025, 8:25:39 Bubble Watch from the Athletic ($) - jdl February 6, 2025, 8:07:42 Lock? I'll take it* - OWWDig February 6, 2025, 8:13:16 “We got no food, we got no jobs, our pets' heads are falling off!” * - illini February 6, 2025, 7:42:20 The salt in the wound - ab75 February 6, 2025, 7:37:44 On the bright side… - uofi1998 February 6, 2025, 7:04:32 (Mike Tomlin) We do not care (MT) - Ron McDon February 6, 2025, 9:09:30 HOT* - illini21 February 6, 2025, 7:06:33 Sigh. I guess it’s just football’s turn. - OWWDig February 6, 2025, 7:04:07 I'm good with that belief system. - illinilosch February 6, 2025, 7:12:48 I’ve always said I would trade hoops for football. - uofi1998 February 6, 2025, 7:18:21 And I've always been a huge college BB fan. - illinilosch February 6, 2025, 7:23:18 Being good is always fun and football is no exception...but I love watching our hoops team - OWWDig February 6, 2025, 7:47:48 I've never loved basketball as a sport - ijustkrushalot February 6, 2025, 7:43:56 Opposite for me, but I won't turn off either unless I have to* - OWWDig February 6, 2025, 7:48:30 Yep same for me* - illini21 February 6, 2025, 7:46:21 I reiterate my 20/20 hindsight of the Ty redshirt * - uofi1998 February 6, 2025, 7:01:27 I mean, is there any answer other than Ty quit the team and is gone in 6 weeks? - ijustkrushalot February 6, 2025, 7:42:08 And yet, he played in the exhibition game. His redshirt decision came right after that.** - uofi1998 February 6, 2025, 8:39:59 Should’ve been under Poldark^^^ * - uofi1998 February 6, 2025, 9:42:41 he just followed the lead of Tim "Quiet Quitting" Anderson * - Poldark February 6, 2025, 8:26:59 This team has the tools to go to the FF. But they can also lose in Round 1 - timmer February 6, 2025, 6:47:41 Seems like this slump has corresponded to people prematurely posting game threads here. - DT February 6, 2025, 6:38:20 We’ve done this song and dance before, but bottom line is we need to go win the next 3 - OB25 February 5, 2025, 23:31:19 apropos of nothing, Sencire Harris is 4/43 (0.93%) from 3 this year * - biclops February 5, 2025, 22:41:27 Wow that’s kind of incredible.* - cpsteine February 6, 2025, 22:38:19 9% not .9%, but yeah point stands. He’d fit right in* - snipes824 February 5, 2025, 22:47:32 I was told there would be no math* - biclops February 5, 2025, 22:49:11 For you, there clearly wasn’t* - ilinni11 February 5, 2025, 22:55:11 I do genuinely feel like we can break out of this. - tvillini February 5, 2025, 22:13:45 I think we’re going to get an 8 and it’s going to end unceremoniously or we’re going to take out a 1 - voiceofreason February 5, 2025, 23:09:13 Arkansas 2023* - uofi1998 February 6, 2025, 7:02:18 This is where I'm at too. 8/9 seed. Could get dumped game one or rip off 2-3 wins* - WhitmansFolly February 6, 2025, 6:28:34 I think I’ve given up. These guys don’t have it. Anything more than a first round exit is gravy * - meanjeans February 5, 2025, 22:41:10 It all goes through KJ. Said that below * - illini thunder February 5, 2025, 22:26:30 It’s shooting and turnovers - snipes824 February 5, 2025, 22:18:16 Even though we're still shooting like crap right now it seems more turnovers - jdl February 5, 2025, 22:25:57 I’m with you.* - OWWDig February 5, 2025, 22:20:48 But most of that is on KJ. - tvillini February 5, 2025, 22:19:55 This. Absolutely this * - illini thunder February 5, 2025, 22:26:57 He’s a large part of it for sure* - snipes824 February 5, 2025, 22:21:35 Turnovers, yes. Shooting? That is systemic.* - Blazer February 5, 2025, 22:21:16 We were a much more fluid team when KJ was KJ. - tvillini February 5, 2025, 22:26:16 I know it feels like that, but the reality is, that’s not really true at all - Blazer February 5, 2025, 22:29:50 So, trams have figured out how best to defend us. Probably a big part of it too. * - illini thunder February 5, 2025, 23:51:15 So we weren’t one of the highest scoring teams in Illini history before KJ’s injury? - tvillini February 5, 2025, 22:35:40 Sure, but that included 6 Q4 opponents - Blazer February 5, 2025, 22:41:14 It's always tougher in conference play too - jdl February 5, 2025, 22:28:21 4 for his last 28 from 3 and even more concerning 7-14 from the free throw line. - Chuck Woodaby February 5, 2025, 22:32:54 That certainly points to some kind of re-injury or worsening of his arm - jdl February 5, 2025, 22:36:28 i choose to blame Luke Goode * - Chuck Woodaby February 5, 2025, 22:38:31 The Escape Goat * - jdl February 5, 2025, 22:38:55 Sure, but it’s not like we spent the non-con playing all Chicago States. - tvillini February 5, 2025, 22:31:03 I was referring to just KJ * - jdl February 5, 2025, 22:34:17 It's a nice thought - jdl February 5, 2025, 22:17:03 Here's to it. The term that keeps coming up in my mind is "snakebit". - JFG February 5, 2025, 22:15:22 we just don't have "it".. there's talent, but we're not getting over the hump in the second half - ijustkrushalot February 5, 2025, 22:19:43 Agree. Done being pissed about this team. Gonna just try to enjoy. - JFG February 5, 2025, 22:22:02 I might just check out. Because watching this team has turned into a miserable experience * - Ron McDon February 5, 2025, 22:35:24 Yeah. This team just isn’t going anywhere.* - opossum jenkins February 6, 2025, 4:07:21 To me the bulk of it is mental. Maybe mental triggered by adversity. But this is totally mental. - tvillini February 5, 2025, 22:17:43 Meanwhile, Washington has hit 8/10 3PT shots so far against Nebrasketball. Eff me.* - DocWalk20 February 5, 2025, 22:05:48 and you get to listen to bamm!* - Ari Gold February 5, 2025, 22:13:13 KJ has been a complete 180 since the injury. Illinois goes as far as he can be a key contributor - illini thunder February 5, 2025, 22:05:45 Speaking of dumbest, all your posts* - opey8 February 5, 2025, 22:16:18 He was great his first 2 games back - jdl February 5, 2025, 22:12:19 Hmmm… good point * - illini thunder February 5, 2025, 22:25:18 All freshman hit a wall. Gotta hope he comes out of it. But he's lost that loving feeling.* - JFG February 5, 2025, 22:07:21 It doesn’t excuse what happened, but Harper playing out nowhere and scoring 28… - OB25 February 5, 2025, 22:05:22 Some solid work by Rutgers PR floating that he was basically out for the season. - JFG February 5, 2025, 22:06:42 I think I've resigned myself to the fact that we're a 7 seed. - JFG February 5, 2025, 21:59:25 it's nuts. One month ago we thought we likely were a 2* - ArtVandelay February 6, 2025, 9:55:22 Sign me up. I’ll take it right now… - OWWDig February 5, 2025, 22:12:35 Seems like we can fall anywhere between 6-10 * - MC February 5, 2025, 22:07:49 At Minnesota is a must win. * - Toonces February 5, 2025, 22:06:19 Tonight was a must win, too. I'm just sad where we are.* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 22:07:01 It's funny how it rolls. Without non-con, this team is exactly where any of us would have thought. - JFG February 5, 2025, 22:09:20 I don’t think many here would be a-ok with 7-6 in conf regardless of non-con - John Coctostan February 5, 2025, 22:10:23 Bruce fucking Weber only had like 2 conference seasons worse than this. Tire fire * - meanjeans February 5, 2025, 22:45:00 What I mean is pre-season expectations. I didn't think we'd be winning the BT this season. - JFG February 5, 2025, 22:12:25 I’d take it. Get in the lower half of the bracket. Good things happen there* - CWR10 February 5, 2025, 22:05:39 Kind of sad I’m hoping we can pull things together enough to earn a 6 seed.* - DocWalk20 February 5, 2025, 22:01:28 Higher* - Ron McDon February 5, 2025, 22:01:22 Or lower, I guess* - Ron McDon February 5, 2025, 22:01:51 Fewer * - MC February 5, 2025, 22:07:01 At this point, whatever we can take. We're the definition of inconsistent. - JFG February 5, 2025, 22:03:54 Yeah this team is doing nothing of consequence. I’m just hoping we avoid complete disaster - Ron McDon February 5, 2025, 22:05:04 How? Not by losing every other game.* - JFG February 5, 2025, 22:01:41 A worse seed is what I meant. This team is in serious trouble* - Ron McDon February 5, 2025, 22:03:55 Ahhh...gotcha. My bad.* - JFG February 5, 2025, 22:04:31 I would take a 7 in a heartbeat right now. * - illini February 5, 2025, 22:00:26 Does 8-12 in the B1G get us in?* - OWWDig February 5, 2025, 21:58:45 Good news, Rutgers winning means this was a Q1 loss! - jdl February 5, 2025, 21:55:41 My son drove over from Princeton for the game. - BoCool February 5, 2025, 21:55:33 Hopefully Brad talks more about the Final Four in tonight’s post game presser* - Ron McDon February 5, 2025, 21:53:22 I would strongly consider taking Harper #1 over Flagg* - CWR10 February 5, 2025, 21:52:13 First time I’ve watched him this year. He’s nasty* - illini21 February 5, 2025, 21:54:32 we’ve done a great job of providing opponents a lot of firsts this year!* - Ari Gold February 5, 2025, 21:50:50 Yeah let’s just add one more turnover to the stats* - illini21 February 5, 2025, 21:49:51 this is gonna be unpopular but...the team has the talent to win so what has to change? - DanSaint February 5, 2025, 21:49:27 It's definitely a part of it. - WhitmansFolly February 5, 2025, 21:53:06 Maybe not turning over the roster every season - jdl February 5, 2025, 21:52:21 Impossible * - illini thunder February 5, 2025, 22:01:39 This is where I’m at - Blazer February 5, 2025, 21:56:37 I’m all about talent accumulation, but Rutgers is another example that they can’t all be freshmen - snipes824 February 5, 2025, 22:02:23 There was a lot of talk about this being a 2 year plan - jdl February 5, 2025, 21:59:17 Talent doesn’t get you anywhere if you are charmin soft* - Ron McDon February 5, 2025, 21:50:21 isn't that coaching as well?* - DanSaint February 5, 2025, 21:51:58 No* - Ron McDon February 5, 2025, 21:55:02 brad does seem resigned to our fate.* - Ari Gold February 5, 2025, 22:12:56 Can’t shoot, don’t value the ball. period* - OWWDig February 5, 2025, 21:50:13 isn't that apart of coaching? Building up players and using their strengths to win? And developing - DanSaint February 5, 2025, 21:53:01 Not when guys are shooting below their potential and averages…and have bad bball IQ* - OWWDig February 5, 2025, 21:56:49 The bad BB IQ is what gets me. These are good players but play so dumb at times.* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 22:03:18 eventually, the excuses run out and you are what you are - snipes824 February 5, 2025, 21:48:17 Or we’re 2014 Kentucky - ab75 February 5, 2025, 21:52:51 It doesn’t mean we can’t get hot and make a run. The talent is there to do that - snipes824 February 5, 2025, 21:56:24 We’re gonna be the 7 seed everyone picks to beat the 2 - John Coctostan February 5, 2025, 21:57:04 Ha, that honestly sounds very possible* - snipes824 February 5, 2025, 22:10:53 Yep. The hard core homers will continue to plead injuries and adversity - Blazer February 5, 2025, 21:51:41 I think we were all a bit shocked that they seemed so cohesive so early in the season. Seemed a bit - DocWalk20 February 5, 2025, 21:55:52 At this point the only reasonable explanation for KJ is injury, right? - Blazer February 5, 2025, 21:46:54 Why not hold him out a few more games and let him heal? The long game. I don't get it.* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 21:48:44 Because maybe he just lost all confidence and he isn't injured?* - Dark Knight February 5, 2025, 21:57:45 Yeah, he implied Tomi was out for eternity on Friday* - ab75 February 5, 2025, 21:48:42 Every coach at this level is a liar* - bjl63 February 5, 2025, 21:48:29 I wonder if he was re-injured - jdl February 5, 2025, 21:48:25 He’s a really bad ball handler with no confidence. That seems way more important than injury right - John Coctostan February 5, 2025, 21:48:16 Or maybe lacking confidence because he’s not 100% - Blazer February 5, 2025, 21:53:42 I mean maybe. But then why is he playing? Why has nobody mentioned it? - John Coctostan February 5, 2025, 21:58:40 No idea. But he said Tomi was sleeping 16 hours a day and hadn’t done a thing - Blazer February 5, 2025, 22:01:22 He told the whole world the whole team was sick! - John Coctostan February 5, 2025, 22:06:43 It is just as asinine to believe that Brad would say KJ is injured just because he talked at length - Blazer February 5, 2025, 22:24:48 He went from a top 3-5 pick to a guy who can't shoot, dribble or pass. - Chuck Woodaby February 5, 2025, 21:56:35 he makes risky passes but is not a bad ball handler* - Nobster February 5, 2025, 21:49:51 He’s dribbled the ball off his foot plus and lost the ball with minimal contact many times too in - DocWalk20 February 5, 2025, 21:54:00 Also, no offense but not sure what you’re watching. I don’t see the majority of his TOs as - John Coctostan February 5, 2025, 21:52:24 A guy turning it over >30% of his possessions is by definition a bad ball handler. Sorry but - John Coctostan February 5, 2025, 21:51:11 His handle is super loose. It was like that from the Ole Miss scrimmage on. - WhitmansFolly February 5, 2025, 21:54:48 He’s always been turnover prone - Blazer February 5, 2025, 21:52:42 He had 3 games, out of 14, with a rate <20% pre injury - John Coctostan February 5, 2025, 21:55:41 But the overall rate was at 19-20, right? - Blazer February 5, 2025, 21:57:48 His TO rate prior to injury was 25.1 per t-rank - John Coctostan February 5, 2025, 22:05:36 I stand corrected. Just a week ago it was only at 22% - Blazer February 5, 2025, 22:31:20 I guess I just have zero sympathy - John Coctostan February 5, 2025, 22:56:40 And to your point, I don’t know why he’s out there if he’s not 100% - Blazer February 5, 2025, 23:05:38 Also looking closer at the turnover rate I think my initial guess was correct - Blazer February 5, 2025, 23:04:38 Ha, 1/6 to before todays game - 25.8. He’s just a really bad ball handler, period* - John Coctostan February 5, 2025, 22:08:43 Has to be* - illini21 February 5, 2025, 21:48:09 Yea* - OWWDig February 5, 2025, 21:47:16 Seems like everyone stayed engaged and played hard - ab75 February 5, 2025, 21:46:51 yep. ref show destroyed momentum. Shooting on us. Oreb on us* - Nobster February 5, 2025, 21:48:30 Definitely a ref show for about 5 minutes. - uofi1998 February 5, 2025, 21:48:20 avoided the 8x-6x.* - Ari Gold February 5, 2025, 21:46:44 Harper is so good. Bailey, didn’t even realize he even played the 2nd half* - bjl63 February 5, 2025, 21:46:33 No way that wasn’t going in* - HeatMizer February 5, 2025, 21:45:54 Free falling.* - Toonces February 5, 2025, 21:45:47 So which players will start to check out? This could turn UGLY* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 21:45:19 In the me-me-me era of college sports, who knows… could be anybody… hopefully nobody * - uofi1998 February 5, 2025, 21:47:10 Hopefully nobody, but no loyalty anymore. Also, don't want a couple of disgruntled - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 21:53:54 just not fun* - reggiedunlop February 5, 2025, 21:45:12 The absolutely inevitable return of Harper against us is something else* - GMAW February 5, 2025, 21:45:05 ooo - DocWalk20 February 5, 2025, 21:47:38 And we chose not to try to make him work extra hard. No running against him* - John Coctostan February 5, 2025, 21:46:35 If there was ever a game to employ a trap, this was it - Blazer February 5, 2025, 21:48:11 Exactly. I’m not having fun* - John Coctostan February 5, 2025, 21:49:05 He doesn't even look hurt. Not like our D game plan would have been any different* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 21:46:02 I’d guess 10 Big Ten wins will get us in the Tournament. Not sure we can get there tbh* - Ron McDon February 5, 2025, 21:44:45 Minn, UCLA, Iowa. Not feeling good about the Minny game * - MC February 5, 2025, 21:47:14 This team has demonstrated it can lose to anyone anywhere. So…yeah* - Ron McDon February 5, 2025, 21:48:29 It all comes down to who is KJ?* - ab75 February 5, 2025, 21:44:39 And can we shoot average from 3* - ab75 February 5, 2025, 21:45:30 What makes you think we can?* - Dark Knight February 5, 2025, 21:55:43 I think we know that answer now * - jdl February 5, 2025, 21:45:58 5-27 from 3.* - Ari Gold February 5, 2025, 21:44:32 Unwatchable* - apusikam February 5, 2025, 21:44:29 Amazing the Jekyll and Hyde-ness of this team* - RSMBob February 5, 2025, 21:44:24 Blackhawks / Oilers on Tru/TNT* - timmer February 5, 2025, 21:44:12 This season has turned really unenjoyable. * - uofi1998 February 5, 2025, 21:43:17 22-23 without the bad vibes * - jdl February 5, 2025, 21:44:35 Yep, this is 2022-23 all over again minus the locker room cancer* - ilinni11 February 5, 2025, 21:50:36 As far as we know * - uofi1998 February 5, 2025, 21:51:26 There was lots of rumbling early on in 22 - jdl February 5, 2025, 21:57:17 While true, the signs that were obvious then are certainly nowhere to be found now* - ilinni11 February 5, 2025, 21:53:05 Last 4 In* - timmer February 5, 2025, 21:43:15 This team just doesn’t have it. Lots to like but they’re soft as baby shit. No leader amongst them - John Coctostan February 5, 2025, 21:43:07 They’re also just really unlikeable. Like no joy. And that sucks as a fan* - John Coctostan February 5, 2025, 21:45:12 I'm happy to see DGL and Morez. * - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 21:46:43 Morez worked hard. DGL basically non existent. It’s a rudderless team* - John Coctostan February 5, 2025, 21:47:17 We will lose to MN too. This team is soft* - bjl63 February 5, 2025, 21:42:59 LOL, this team* - timmer February 5, 2025, 21:42:52 I’m so sick of this team* - GMAW February 5, 2025, 21:42:51 Right?! * - MC February 5, 2025, 21:43:42 Blouses. It’s getting really hard to find 4 more wins on the schedule, much less 5* - Blazer February 5, 2025, 21:42:49 Shit sandwich. * - VIV February 5, 2025, 21:42:49 Brutal * - MC February 5, 2025, 21:42:42 2 straight ORBs. Dead. * - uofi1998 February 5, 2025, 21:42:24 oof* - Nobster February 5, 2025, 21:42:44 Imagine if we didn’t have to dig ourselves out of a 17 point hole * - biclops February 5, 2025, 21:41:18 correct. another well deserved loss.* - Ari Gold February 5, 2025, 21:43:04 Gotta take 14 or 15 heat checks * - jdl February 5, 2025, 21:43:02 Classic hook and hold* - ISeeDeadHawkeyes February 5, 2025, 21:40:54 yep. No review* - Nobster February 5, 2025, 21:41:53 No T* - OWWDig February 5, 2025, 21:41:22 These refs don't know that they can review that. Dumb* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 21:41:55 Also putting that on the illini staff to not even ask* - ISeeDeadHawkeyes February 5, 2025, 21:42:53 Agree. They are just sitting there. Missing an experienced asst.* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 21:43:38 I think we are down 25 when I'm watching* - apusikam February 5, 2025, 21:40:35 Poor Tomi. I hope he's able to come back against MN.* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 21:38:27 I just don’t understand this team. At all. I think at this point it’s KJ. - tvillini February 5, 2025, 21:38:19 I’ve been thinking all game it’s the most confusing team I can ever remember watching - Blazer February 5, 2025, 21:41:00 Even half to half.* - DocWalk20 February 5, 2025, 21:43:16 Bad loss* - nash February 5, 2025, 21:37:53 Yup. 5th of the year* - OWWDig February 5, 2025, 21:38:51 Look kids! Big Ben! Parliament!* - Ron McDon February 5, 2025, 21:38:31 This one definitely feels out of reach* - CWR10 February 5, 2025, 21:37:39 Ballgame* - timmer February 5, 2025, 21:37:36 Think that o reb basically seals it* - ISeeDeadHawkeyes February 5, 2025, 21:37:22 fta were even with 8 minutes left* - Nobster February 5, 2025, 21:37:09 And now Rutgers has 11 more than UI. Ridiculous.* - DocWalk20 February 5, 2025, 21:38:11 And not like we haven’t been aggressive* - CWR10 February 5, 2025, 21:39:13 Will can count the bruises from that punk Williams.* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 21:40:21 Yup* - Nobster February 5, 2025, 21:38:32 Jesus stop the ball guys* - Blazer February 5, 2025, 21:37:02 I know izzo bitches about every call but it seems to work. I wouldn’t mind if Brad did something - IlliniSax05 February 5, 2025, 21:36:57 Riley I love you man - apusikam February 5, 2025, 21:36:57 Boswell brought Harper right down to MJ* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 21:36:56 Last 4 minutes full on ref show bullshit* - uofi1998 February 5, 2025, 21:36:14 Well this sucks* - cpsteine February 5, 2025, 21:35:51 Star whistle* - Ron McDon February 5, 2025, 21:35:48 getting fucking hosed* - snipes824 February 5, 2025, 21:35:33 But Scirotto calls the foul on almost no contact on the other end. Sonofa…* - DocWalk20 February 5, 2025, 21:35:18 I'd love to see some of these refs' bank accounts.* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 21:35:52 lol then that call* - OWWDig February 5, 2025, 21:35:14 At least Hummell called out the ref there.* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 21:35:09 Fuck this shit man. That ticky tack body foul. Fuck this* - uofi1998 February 5, 2025, 21:34:58 Boswell absolutely hammered in front of ref. What the fuck man * - uofi1998 February 5, 2025, 21:34:20 Like literally right in front of him* - CWR10 February 5, 2025, 21:34:51 Boswell should run Harper along the baseline a few times and really tire him out. Don't just stand - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 21:32:30 I was thinking the exact same thing need to make him run.Don’t give him a chance to catch his breath - IlliniRunner February 5, 2025, 21:33:58 It's infuriating. No IQ with coaches or players here * - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 21:39:24 Obvious moving screen uncalled. Lucky the shot was missed. This crew is butthole. * - uofi1998 February 5, 2025, 21:31:37 How is there no foul call there either? My god.* - DocWalk20 February 5, 2025, 21:31:34 We were never gonna get help down the stretch with this crew on the road. - OWWDig February 5, 2025, 21:33:18 High Knees sucks donkey balls* - WhitmansFolly February 5, 2025, 21:32:22 He manages to see imagined contact from half the court away. Right in front of him? Nothing.* - DocWalk20 February 5, 2025, 21:33:08 Missed bunnies* - OWWDig February 5, 2025, 21:31:02 Williams is pretty punchable* - opey8 February 5, 2025, 21:30:21 2 missed calls result in 5 points.* - Ari Gold February 5, 2025, 21:30:00 no foul on riley there is crazy* - snipes824 February 5, 2025, 21:29:38 Williams is two hand shoving Riley* - CWR10 February 5, 2025, 21:29:36 Someone T Williams plz* - biclops February 5, 2025, 21:29:34 He should have been there. DgL can get in his face! :D * - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 21:30:27 Riley got fouled and that was a crazy finish by Williams * - MC February 5, 2025, 21:29:28 Ooof sauce * - illini February 5, 2025, 21:29:26 Refs giving a lot of home cooking* - WhitmansFolly February 5, 2025, 21:29:17 Yep. This is awful for Riley* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 21:29:46 Refs have been integral to this entire stretch * - meanjeans February 5, 2025, 21:29:40 Riley got hit* - CWR10 February 5, 2025, 21:29:07 He’s getting mugged every time* - DocWalk20 February 5, 2025, 21:29:50 That’s a fucking foul. Absurd* - uofi1998 February 5, 2025, 21:29:02 Harper is awesome* - CWR10 February 5, 2025, 21:28:48 Ben! * - illini February 5, 2025, 21:28:41 BANG* - MC February 5, 2025, 21:28:34 Needed that, Ben. Thank you.* - DocWalk20 February 5, 2025, 21:28:33 Ref show now. And KJ follows his guy on every screen* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 21:28:00 killer front end miss.* - Ari Gold February 5, 2025, 21:27:45 I shouldn't have turned it back on* - apusikam February 5, 2025, 21:27:42 I guess we’re doing that late second half thing again * - biclops February 5, 2025, 21:27:37 Auto whistle from Anderson* - CWR10 February 5, 2025, 21:27:34 Can we just win this game * - MC February 5, 2025, 21:27:12 Harper was OOB.* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 21:26:50 This season has been like two fun games and otherwise eating glass * - meanjeans February 5, 2025, 21:26:27 100%. Super frustrating* - WhitmansFolly February 5, 2025, 21:27:16 Harper landed OB before he got rid of that * - jdl February 5, 2025, 21:26:25 Details, details.* - DocWalk20 February 5, 2025, 21:27:25 Yep. Brutal for us.* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 21:27:16 looked like it* - Nobster February 5, 2025, 21:27:06 This stretch has been killer * - illini February 5, 2025, 21:26:20 Boswell what are you doing* - illini21 February 5, 2025, 21:26:18 Infuriatingly stupid pass by tomi* - uofi1998 February 5, 2025, 21:26:16 Definitely forced that one* - DocWalk20 February 5, 2025, 21:26:56 woof* - biclops February 5, 2025, 21:25:59 Dumb fouls* - OWWDig February 5, 2025, 21:25:31 Fouls every time down now on us* - Ron McDon February 5, 2025, 21:25:26 rebounding killing us these last few* - snipes824 February 5, 2025, 21:25:17 What a weak ass call* - WhitmansFolly February 5, 2025, 21:25:10 Don’t mind the massive bump on Will* - CWR10 February 5, 2025, 21:24:58 Getting bumped and body checked. But the travel gets called. Nice.* - DocWalk20 February 5, 2025, 21:24:48 Now the pivot foot matters.* - Chuck Woodaby February 5, 2025, 21:25:17 lol* - Nobster February 5, 2025, 21:25:49 Williams literally pushing Riley around * - biclops February 5, 2025, 21:24:31 Yeah, pushing I guess is ok, just don't grab* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 21:25:04 Oh, just Rutgers is ok to push, not us* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 21:25:38 Feed Tomi now.* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 21:24:03 Sit Morez for a few and then roll the dice. He’s such a difference maker* - CWR10 February 5, 2025, 21:23:19 Gotta grab that board :(* - HeatMizer February 5, 2025, 21:21:03 Williams is a bitch * - biclops February 5, 2025, 21:21:02 Hopefully he has money on Illini ML in the end* - Ron McDon February 5, 2025, 21:21:56 He certainly seems to be.* - DocWalk20 February 5, 2025, 21:21:37 Damn you, Scirotto* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 21:20:38 Nm* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 21:19:06 Dammit. 4 on Mo* - DocWalk20 February 5, 2025, 21:20:23 Where was that foul?* - CWR10 February 5, 2025, 21:18:12 In high-knees mind, I think* - DocWalk20 February 5, 2025, 21:18:57 He’s so bad about anticipating. And frequently out of position. Just a shitty ref* - CWR10 February 5, 2025, 21:21:16 It’s time for Larry and High Knees to shine!* - Ron McDon February 5, 2025, 21:18:43 Give the fans what they paid for.* - Chuck Woodaby February 5, 2025, 21:19:18 On the ball* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 21:18:30 Riley might pass KJ on the draft board lol* - WhitmansFolly February 5, 2025, 21:18:05 He’s better at this moment* - ab75 February 5, 2025, 21:20:39 Riley is just a bucket right now* - biclops February 5, 2025, 21:18:01 Ok Will* - OWWDig February 5, 2025, 21:17:50 Then those two clowns make them* - apusikam February 5, 2025, 21:17:18 Now their scrubs are hitting shots* - CWR10 February 5, 2025, 21:16:55 it's all they got. no more gas* - Nobster February 5, 2025, 21:18:02 Fuckin of course* - OWWDig February 5, 2025, 21:17:24 Let's go, defense. Need a few stops* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 21:16:33 Efffff* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 21:16:54 Step on their fucking throats!* - Chuck Woodaby February 5, 2025, 21:14:07 just lean. they are tired. harper is going to rest* - Nobster February 5, 2025, 21:15:47 Just don’t roll an ankle in the process.* - DocWalk20 February 5, 2025, 21:14:52 Let's go!!!* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 21:14:00 Humrichous rebounding admirably * - biclops February 5, 2025, 21:13:55 Tomi is risen* - Ron McDon February 5, 2025, 21:12:23 TOMI!!!!!!* - OWWDig February 5, 2025, 21:12:18 Tomi’s back. Nice.* - DocWalk20 February 5, 2025, 21:12:18 With only KJ and Davis available to come in, feels like we’re gonna get tired.* - JFG February 5, 2025, 21:11:11 This team is just all kinds of dumb sometimes * - uofi1998 February 5, 2025, 21:10:41 Missed a wide open rolling Boswell twice. Hope we start to look for that.* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 21:12:53 Yea. Don’t figure them to have bad bball IQ* - OWWDig February 5, 2025, 21:11:37 That was a big shot by Harper* - CWR10 February 5, 2025, 21:09:41 I thought Riley was getting pushed at the waist* - opey8 February 5, 2025, 21:09:09 clear handcheck...i don't know the actual rule these days.* - Nobster February 5, 2025, 21:10:22 He certainly was getting aggressively hand checked on the perimeter* - CWR10 February 5, 2025, 21:10:15 Get the lead, immediately turn the ball over the next two possessions* - Ron McDon February 5, 2025, 21:09:07 2 or 3?* - HeatMizer February 5, 2025, 21:08:23 I thought Harper’s toe was on the line* - DocWalk20 February 5, 2025, 21:08:44 Yeah, want to see it from a better angle* - HeatMizer February 5, 2025, 21:09:22 I watched again. Looked like it was a 3.* - DocWalk20 February 5, 2025, 21:10:59 Yep, just checked it myself* - HeatMizer February 5, 2025, 21:11:26 Good thing you did that before you wrecked yourself * - biclops February 5, 2025, 21:12:11 Big dicks in your ass is bad for your health* - HeatMizer February 5, 2025, 21:13:22 What a terrible play* - OWWDig February 5, 2025, 21:08:20 Seriously. Morez isn't a wing* - WhitmansFolly February 5, 2025, 21:08:38 Dumb pass. Morez on the arc?* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 21:08:38 Had to be a set play. Morez isn’t in the corner very often* - OWWDig February 5, 2025, 21:10:33 The carelessness this team has with the ball in high leverage situation ls is infuriating.* - meanjeans February 5, 2025, 21:08:05 phew* - snipes824 February 5, 2025, 21:06:13 Co-phew* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 21:06:38 taking it to the rim seems to be working again. hmm.* - Ari Gold February 5, 2025, 21:04:43 wonder if this is a macro strategy. two games in a row of missed threes first half - Nobster February 5, 2025, 21:05:54 Lots of puckering.* - Chuck Woodaby February 5, 2025, 21:04:15 LFG!* - DocWalk20 February 5, 2025, 21:04:10 dre!* - Nobster February 5, 2025, 21:03:44 He is so much fun to watch!* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 21:04:01 morez tech incoming* - snipes824 February 5, 2025, 21:03:12 Actually think that flop lowered the chances of getting the call* - ISeeDeadHawkeyes February 5, 2025, 21:10:54 Lucky* - OWWDig February 5, 2025, 21:06:22 Bitch, get out of my way* - uofi1998 February 5, 2025, 21:05:55 If it’s anyone it’s Humrichous according to Roughy. - tvillini February 5, 2025, 21:05:22 the bump? i guess* - Nobster February 5, 2025, 21:04:36 He made a beeline for him and the guy flopped. Looked bad* - OWWDig February 5, 2025, 21:05:33 i could see it called..."looked bad" is a bit much for a forearm shove - Nobster February 5, 2025, 21:06:58 So dumb* - OWWDig February 5, 2025, 21:04:08 LFG* - biclops February 5, 2025, 21:03:04 tire them out!* - Nobster February 5, 2025, 21:01:42 It’s too bad Ben couldn’t secure that loose ball. Probably won’t come back to bite us tho* - Ron McDon February 5, 2025, 20:58:30 I get that the draft is based on potential, but this can't be helping KJ's stock* - WhitmansFolly February 5, 2025, 20:56:49 If he's injured, why don't they have him sit and heal? Who is making that call?* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 20:57:37 A lot has been decision making * - Ron McDon February 5, 2025, 20:59:13 But is it because he's thinking about his injury that his decision making is off?* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 21:01:43 Anderson is a joke* - CWR10 February 5, 2025, 20:55:18 How is he not sprinting to the baseline? Awful* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 20:56:24 And he somehow screens both HumBRICKhous and Mo.* - LovetheChief February 5, 2025, 20:57:18 We need Kofi back to knock some sense into him * - jdl February 5, 2025, 20:55:46 Was that High Knees he creamed? Lofl* - WhitmansFolly February 5, 2025, 20:58:58 Different guy I think * - jdl February 5, 2025, 21:03:02 Lewis Garrison* - ISeeDeadHawkeyes February 5, 2025, 21:04:06 Shame. I'd much rather it had been High Knees* - WhitmansFolly February 5, 2025, 21:04:51 nice screen ref* - biclops February 5, 2025, 20:54:37 screened Ben then Morez, both moving screens too* - Orangeillini February 5, 2025, 20:56:38 It never went out of bounds* - ISeeDeadHawkeyes February 5, 2025, 20:54:07 Right?!? * - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 20:54:31 the game's best announcer caught that.* - Nobster February 5, 2025, 20:56:58 Yeah, at least Hummel kind of corrected him.* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 20:58:19 Jeff Levering is a dumb ass* - Ron McDon February 5, 2025, 20:54:06 Shit. That might be a high ankle sprain* - WhitmansFolly February 5, 2025, 20:53:24 how’s everyone’s pets heads doing?* - biclops February 5, 2025, 20:53:10 Damnit. Effing Buttgers.* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 20:53:09 Maybe kj sitting will help?* - ISeeDeadHawkeyes February 5, 2025, 20:51:48 KJ just isn’t the same player after his injury * - illini thunder February 5, 2025, 20:51:37 IU made him look good and then pure shit* - CWR10 February 5, 2025, 20:53:18 He was really good in the 8 minutes @ MSU too * - jdl February 5, 2025, 20:56:29 Good observation, Brick.* - Chuck Woodaby February 5, 2025, 20:52:48 he's right, tho* - Nobster February 5, 2025, 20:53:37 He’s scouted now. It has nothing to do with injury.* - voiceofreason February 5, 2025, 20:54:25 nope. stepback % dropped, doesn't finish with left (did he ever). and the turnovers - Nobster February 5, 2025, 20:58:59 Good observation, guy who didn't see the first half.* - Chuck Woodaby February 5, 2025, 20:56:09 I’ve watched the other games he’s been trending downward in too, genius.* - voiceofreason February 5, 2025, 20:57:14 the other teams have scouted him into traveling unguarded and throwing terrible uncontested passes. - Chuck Woodaby February 5, 2025, 20:58:58 The original post was about his decline in general. Keep going. - voiceofreason February 5, 2025, 21:13:18 The original post was about his decline in general. Keep going. - voiceofreason February 5, 2025, 21:13:17 I think it was just an excuse to call him Brick.* - ISeeDeadHawkeyes February 5, 2025, 20:58:48 You get it. Pretty sure he asked why he was wearing a wrist brace last week.* - Chuck Woodaby February 5, 2025, 20:59:51 KJ is on the take* - HeatMizer February 5, 2025, 20:51:18 KJ. Come on man* - WhitmansFolly February 5, 2025, 20:51:03 Bailey took 3 steps there.* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 20:51:02 He’s traveled three times tonight* - HeatMizer February 5, 2025, 20:52:28 A pivot foot is overrated* - Chuck Woodaby February 5, 2025, 20:51:30 he drags his pivot often. at least twice in first half* - Nobster February 5, 2025, 20:52:16 Have a seat KJ* - Ron McDon February 5, 2025, 20:50:52 He is not playing smart.* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 20:51:17 Just landed and looked at the score. Nice 3pt shooting again, Undy. Let’s keep doing it.* - voiceofreason February 5, 2025, 20:50:34 Now we can score but can't guard. Lol. - WhitmansFolly February 5, 2025, 20:49:53 Posterized* - timmer February 5, 2025, 20:48:53 Is this the first time underwood has had a different lineup to come out of the half?* - biclops February 5, 2025, 20:48:35 Tomi has the post moves tonight!* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 20:47:57 Nice D out of the break* - Ron McDon February 5, 2025, 20:47:24 Just a reminder that watching on mute helps * - Jackie February 5, 2025, 20:47:11 And a book* - Jackie February 5, 2025, 20:48:53 and a tall cold glass of fentanyl * - biclops February 5, 2025, 20:50:19 Mmmmmm, you can really taste the euphoria!* - Jackie February 5, 2025, 20:58:22 Whew. Glad I missed that half* - timmer February 5, 2025, 20:46:37 That was basically the same half we played in the first on Sunday vs. tOSU. Hopefully, - OWWDig February 5, 2025, 20:41:05 Unless we’re gonna make 7 of them, I’d advise not shooting 17 threes again * - assassin February 5, 2025, 20:43:23 good advice* - OWWDig February 5, 2025, 20:45:06 It’s kinda hard to remember when this team had swagger. - JFG February 5, 2025, 20:38:54 Any word on Tre White? I see he's on the bench.* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 20:37:55 The Tre White Linsanity run was fun while it lasted* - Ron McDon February 5, 2025, 20:41:37 Sick* - ISeeDeadHawkeyes February 5, 2025, 20:38:53 TY* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 20:41:02 He was questionable - undisclosed coming into tonight * - assassin February 5, 2025, 20:38:48 Dave Revsine on our 3 point attempts "I just don't get it" - WhitmansFolly February 5, 2025, 20:35:53 Our D was substantially better in the last 8 minutes. - tvillini February 5, 2025, 20:32:18 It was. Definitely going to need to figure out some things for the second half. - DocWalk20 February 5, 2025, 20:33:53 I think Rutgers was getting tired.* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 20:32:42 Yep. Run them hard and see if we get 12 minutes of tired buttgers* - Nobster February 5, 2025, 20:34:25 2-17 is absolutely nuts* - snipes824 February 5, 2025, 20:30:57 Even the studio guys are questioning 17 3 pt attempts when we are the worst in the B10.* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 20:36:26 …and apparently also the (not so) new normal* - DocWalk20 February 5, 2025, 20:32:32 yeah, it's not a fluke anymore. we're one of the worst shooting teams in the country* - snipes824 February 5, 2025, 20:33:16 it's deep in our heads now * - jdl February 5, 2025, 20:42:07 It makes Ari happy though, so that’s nice. * - assassin February 5, 2025, 20:33:51 This team can’t hit a 3 for its life. 1 and done NCAA at this rate * - illini thunder February 5, 2025, 20:30:33 2-17 from 3.* - Ari Gold February 5, 2025, 20:30:22 very fortunate to be down single digits - jdl February 5, 2025, 20:30:20 What kind of odds can I get of a first possession KJ turnover?* - Ron McDon February 5, 2025, 20:33:16 -200. But he's going to turn it around here. Can't play worse. Probably.* - Chuck Woodaby February 5, 2025, 20:40:04 Exactly. And should only be 6 if Ben had any bball IQ* - OWWDig February 5, 2025, 20:31:35 Probably a nice kid though* - Ron McDon February 5, 2025, 20:33:56 He was cheering like crazy and very supportive from the bench in the second half against Ohio St.* - DocWalk20 February 5, 2025, 20:35:18 Yes also seems like a very good teammate* - Ron McDon February 5, 2025, 20:36:30 killer sequence * - biclops February 5, 2025, 20:29:57 A chance to cut to 3? No…down by 8* - Ron McDon February 5, 2025, 20:29:39 Killer 5 point swing* - DocWalk20 February 5, 2025, 20:30:16 Terrible bball IQ* - OWWDig February 5, 2025, 20:31:58 Man, some real chances to cut that lead - Blazer February 5, 2025, 20:29:38 stop the ball in transition! - jdl February 5, 2025, 20:29:16 No one wants to take a charge either. Harper wasn't stopping for anything there.* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 20:30:32 you can't take charges any more - jdl February 5, 2025, 20:41:15 Turrible* - WhitmansFolly February 5, 2025, 20:30:00 Good thing we rushed a bad 3 so Rutgers could get the last shot* - ISeeDeadHawkeyes February 5, 2025, 20:29:14 5 point swing. Down 3? Nope, 8.* - ISeeDeadHawkeyes February 5, 2025, 20:30:04 In your face Ron mcdon!* - lcubed February 5, 2025, 20:27:09 I said he is probably a nice kid!!!!!!* - Ron McDon February 5, 2025, 20:27:44 Nice. Finally a 3 fell for Ben* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 20:26:58 Apparently Riley and Jakucionis can’t be good at the same time * - biclops February 5, 2025, 20:26:47 B3N!* - DocWalk20 February 5, 2025, 20:26:40 What I’m the absolute eff was that KJ?! Horrible turnover and then that foul?! Somethin wrong with - illini thunder February 5, 2025, 20:26:14 Dammit KJ. The timing of his turnovers is something* - Blazer February 5, 2025, 20:26:03 When you pretty much have one every few minutes…* - DocWalk20 February 5, 2025, 20:27:53 FUCK OFF KJ! FUCK OFF* - HeatMizer February 5, 2025, 20:26:01 Way to kill the momentum * - biclops February 5, 2025, 20:25:55 KJ is an absolute husk of a player right now my god* - snipes824 February 5, 2025, 20:25:53 Think you have to sit KJ for an extended time. Killing us out there* - ISeeDeadHawkeyes February 5, 2025, 20:25:50 What in the actual fuck is KJ doing out there? - WhitmansFolly February 5, 2025, 20:25:49 Some sequence, KJ* - UofIL6 February 5, 2025, 20:25:47 Fucking KJ* - illini21 February 5, 2025, 20:25:28 Good job KJ* - Ron McDon February 5, 2025, 20:25:26 just killed the momentum.* - Ari Gold February 5, 2025, 20:26:05 an offensive rebound when you're making a run is one of the most underrated terrible feelings* - snipes824 February 5, 2025, 20:24:36 So with Harper, how long is one typically out with a high ankle sprain? - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 20:24:20 True / bad “high” ankle sprains can easily take a month or more.* - DocWalk20 February 5, 2025, 20:26:11 Thank you! I was wondering since he doesn't even look hobbled right now. - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 20:29:28 gift foul, please make these WR* - MC February 5, 2025, 20:24:12 thank you * - MC February 5, 2025, 20:25:06 2nd on Bailey?* - ISeeDeadHawkeyes February 5, 2025, 20:24:03 Just one I think* - DocWalk20 February 5, 2025, 20:24:51 okay Riley * - MC February 5, 2025, 20:22:58 hate that we let the deficit be so large. Not sure what's wrong with our woes* - rozoben February 5, 2025, 20:22:10 Rutgers wilting due to lack of depth would be nice. * - MC February 5, 2025, 20:20:43 They are gassed. Hope we can get within 10* - Nobster February 5, 2025, 20:17:53 Single digits at half. Make a run to start the second. Watch the collar tighten.* - Chuck Woodaby February 5, 2025, 20:20:30 Can you now hope we can get within 5? How about hoping for a lead?* - DocWalk20 February 5, 2025, 20:20:12 Great! More post foul trouble. * - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 20:17:28 boswellol.* - Ari Gold February 5, 2025, 20:16:51 was…was that an Ivisic post move?* - biclops February 5, 2025, 20:15:56 That was pretty!* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 20:16:34 This sucks, I'm out* - apusikam February 5, 2025, 20:15:21 Rutgers sure takes a lot of bad shots. Unfortunately they’re making them* - HeatMizer February 5, 2025, 20:15:19 Jakucionis is broke man* - biclops February 5, 2025, 20:13:38 is 5-22 and 1-11 any good?* - Ari Gold February 5, 2025, 20:13:05 What does your massive erection tell you?* - Blazer February 5, 2025, 20:14:49 4-7 from the line too.* - Ari Gold February 5, 2025, 20:13:45 If it's your opponent. :D. * - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 20:13:32 I think I’ll say something nice. Ben is probably a nice kid. * - Ron McDon February 5, 2025, 20:12:51 I think he's trying his best* - ISeeDeadHawkeyes February 5, 2025, 20:13:12 Yep. Feel bad for him.* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 20:14:12 At the end of the day I think he's just not really a great athlete* - ISeeDeadHawkeyes February 5, 2025, 20:17:29 I’d guess he’s also in his head a bit w the shooting also* - Ron McDon February 5, 2025, 20:20:15 I agree. He's being put in a position that isn't fair to him. We were spoiled by MD last year.* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 20:19:51 Yes I agree.* - Ron McDon February 5, 2025, 20:13:32 Rutgers has some height. Don't even know who we could throw out there with MJs foul trouble* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 20:10:10 So apparently lottery picks are supposed to make shots? - Blazer February 5, 2025, 20:08:46 KJ is 4-28 from 3 since the MSU game. Seems bad.* - Chuck Woodaby February 5, 2025, 20:11:29 Harper and Bailey both looking very legit tonight* - Orangeillini February 5, 2025, 20:09:21 They’re both very fun in different ways. Harper is so smooth* - CWR10 February 5, 2025, 20:11:27 yep.* - Ari Gold February 5, 2025, 20:09:58 our shooting is painful* - snipes824 February 5, 2025, 20:08:28 this kj thing is something.* - Ari Gold February 5, 2025, 20:08:10 injury still messing with him, maybe.* - Nobster February 5, 2025, 20:11:14 Really? Hadn’t noticed. Have you mentioned it before? * - MC February 5, 2025, 20:09:03 All mental at this point? Doesn't seem to have the large brace on tonight * - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 20:08:49 Maybe time to see the eye doc * - jdl February 5, 2025, 20:17:24 Looks like a wrap? I was thinking more like the big black brace he had on a few games ago.* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 20:31:55 Ben, gonna need you to make wide open 3s * - MC February 5, 2025, 20:07:37 lol good luck* - Ron McDon February 5, 2025, 20:08:24 If I see 3 miss another one* - apusikam February 5, 2025, 20:07:35 Narrator: … - IlliniSax05 February 5, 2025, 20:08:54 I think you meant “when”* - DocWalk20 February 5, 2025, 20:08:25 I’m sure Brad will tell us how much not having Tre White hurt* - Blazer February 5, 2025, 20:06:40 And how they didn't plan for Harper. Always an excuse.* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 20:07:52 Send another note to the committee* - WhitmansFolly February 5, 2025, 20:07:28 KJ JFC dude. Get your head in the game* - WhitmansFolly February 5, 2025, 20:06:27 I wish we could OOB the way other teams OOB* - biclops February 5, 2025, 20:06:19 Why don't we steal other teams' OOB plays? * - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 20:07:17 Make* - apusikam February 5, 2025, 20:05:31 BANG 1/9 * - MC February 5, 2025, 20:05:13 Well, maybe the scouts will tell KJ and Riley to stay in school* - OWWDig February 5, 2025, 20:04:07 Is Tre White hurt?* - ISeeDeadHawkeyes February 5, 2025, 20:03:58 He’s something but I haven’t seen what* - OWWDig February 5, 2025, 20:04:50 Bruised ego?* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 20:04:48 First point in what, 5 minutes?* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 20:03:43 There’s like four guys in the lane at all times. Teams are just daring us to shoot* - Blazer February 5, 2025, 20:03:15 Smart plan* - DocWalk20 February 5, 2025, 20:04:38 Miss* - apusikam February 5, 2025, 20:03:08 Remember a month ago or so when we were down this team was likely a one and done roster? - MC February 5, 2025, 20:03:01 Nothing a little carey booth can’t fix * - biclops February 5, 2025, 20:02:22 A regular sized one might be better* - IlliniRunner February 5, 2025, 20:02:57 Is Morez sick?* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 20:01:51 Desperation, putting Booth in * - jdl February 5, 2025, 20:01:43 Underwood is flailing. Tre White must be something? Bruised ego?* - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 20:02:32 Still on pace to get to double figures by halftime* - UofIL6 February 5, 2025, 20:01:41 I just wanna hang on to that tournament bid* - ISeeDeadHawkeyes February 5, 2025, 20:01:35 A bunch of soft, scared dudes* - CWR10 February 5, 2025, 20:00:52 lol at Jake Davis trying to guard Harper* - illini21 February 5, 2025, 20:00:29 Jesus Ivisic go strong to the hoop* - Blazer February 5, 2025, 20:00:14 Against a guard? Why would he do that?* - OWWDig February 5, 2025, 20:01:27 Great offense gameplan by Brad* - WhitmansFolly February 5, 2025, 20:00:04 3 point shooting is in their heads now * - jdl February 5, 2025, 19:59:44 Just need to see 1 or 2 fall. * - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 20:00:18 It is possible to win a basketball game without shooting - asking for a friend * - MC February 5, 2025, 19:59:27 or giving up 7 made fgs in a row?* - Ari Gold February 5, 2025, 20:00:08 *clang* * - Blazer February 5, 2025, 19:59:15 Miss miss miss* - apusikam February 5, 2025, 19:58:41 we are so bad out of tos.* - Ari Gold February 5, 2025, 19:58:27 Make a god damn shot. Somebody* - CWR10 February 5, 2025, 19:58:25 At least Ben got his first shot miss out of the way* - Ron McDon February 5, 2025, 19:58:24 Awful. Apparently there are a bunch of NBA scouts there tonight. Harper is showing out * - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 19:55:04 Meanwhile, our lottery pick…fml* - Jackie February 5, 2025, 19:55:39 he’s been nothing short of bad for quite some time.* - Ari Gold February 5, 2025, 19:56:55 What a fun, sexy time for you* - IlliniRunner February 5, 2025, 20:01:57 you might need to call a doctor.* - Chuck Woodaby February 5, 2025, 19:57:19 *commits another unforced turnover** - Ron McDon February 5, 2025, 19:56:51 You mean Bailey?* - HeatMizer February 5, 2025, 19:55:36 Yes. Why not both? :D. * - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 19:56:39 correct.* - Ari Gold February 5, 2025, 19:56:05 Man we are bad right now* - Mrap24 February 5, 2025, 19:54:37 This team is soft as shit* - Blazer February 5, 2025, 19:53:43 does brad get pissed anymore or is he just resigned to our fate?* - Ari Gold February 5, 2025, 19:55:49 This team has become a chore to watch - bjl63 February 5, 2025, 19:53:39 Guess I'll find something else to do tonight. - illinilosch February 5, 2025, 19:53:19 Miss miss miss miss miss miss miss* - apusikam February 5, 2025, 19:53:09 This is pathetic* - Ron McDon February 5, 2025, 19:53:02 Bailey is pretty good* - biclops February 5, 2025, 19:52:57 Maybe the worst 8 minutes of the season and that’s saying something* - CWR10 February 5, 2025, 19:52:01 Outrebounded 13-5, 4 turnovers. Just unreal* - Blazer February 5, 2025, 19:54:31 Shooting 25% * - SGIllini1 February 5, 2025, 19:57:36 embarrassing. kj set the tone.* - Ari Gold February 5, 2025, 19:53:30 #valid* - DocWalk20 February 5, 2025, 19:53:21 14-6 on the boards.* - Ari Gold February 5, 2025, 19:50:52 Ivisic was crazy open like 10 times * - biclops February 5, 2025, 19:49:54 How about we try that high post, backdoor easy layup play again.* - Chuck Woodaby February 5, 2025, 19:49:50 just a pathetic effort.* - Ari Gold February 5, 2025, 19:49:22 We suck. I guess we’re a football school* - bbonb February 5, 2025, 19:47:21 lulz, never* - HeatMizer February 5, 2025, 19:53:56 Riley is like a baby deer with the ball* - Phytynlini February 5, 2025, 19:46:54 We are soooo loose with the ball.* - JFG February 5, 2025, 19:46:27 weak.* - Ari Gold February 5, 2025, 19:46:50 Cool cool cool, can't shoot, turning it over, and now aren't rebounding either* - Blazer February 5, 2025, 19:46:24 *sigh* * - biclops February 5, 2025, 19:45:34 this just in: we can’t shoot.* - Ari Gold February 5, 2025, 19:45:33 And we don’t value the ball. Bad combo. * - OWWDig February 5, 2025, 19:46:39 Miss miss miss miss miss miss miss miss* - apusikam February 5, 2025, 19:45:06 You forgot to throw some turnovers in there too* - DocWalk20 February 5, 2025, 19:45:50 Rebound plz* - biclops February 5, 2025, 19:44:29 Make a fucking shot* - Ron McDon February 5, 2025, 19:44:17 Clang* - ISeeDeadHawkeyes February 5, 2025, 19:43:43 *weeps** - illini21 February 5, 2025, 19:43:39 KJ Curbelo* - CWR10 February 5, 2025, 19:43:30 luzl.* - Ari Gold February 5, 2025, 19:44:10 wtf with these shots?* - Ari Gold February 5, 2025, 19:42:41 bad shots when we aren’t turning it over * - biclops February 5, 2025, 19:41:49 2.* - HeatMizer February 5, 2025, 19:41:24 This KJ stuff is getting old* - Ron McDon February 5, 2025, 19:41:04 he’s a mess.* - Ari Gold February 5, 2025, 19:42:11 I mean he’s only turned it over twice in barely 2 minutes.* - DocWalk20 February 5, 2025, 19:41:50 Kj could someday quadruple double with turnovers* - ISeeDeadHawkeyes February 5, 2025, 19:39:45 1* - HeatMizer February 5, 2025, 19:38:29 kj to. rinse. repeat.* - Ari Gold February 5, 2025, 19:38:11 that’s a lot of blocks * - biclops February 5, 2025, 19:38:03 hey detlef! - jdl February 5, 2025, 19:33:16 Dra starting w Boswell, KJ, Tomi and Mo* - assassin February 5, 2025, 19:21:00 3 littles and 2 fat guys in Nintendo hockey* - uofi1998 February 5, 2025, 19:23:41 eh, i think KJ is the normal guy* - assassin February 5, 2025, 19:35:09 Saw a Reddit thread on crazy rumors involving college basketball players - biclops February 5, 2025, 19:15:02 Does the BIG admin reserve High knees for ILL games ?* - rozoben February 5, 2025, 19:05:30 HIgh Knees and Scirotto * - jdl February 5, 2025, 18:40:37 Is Scirotto or Carstens (sp?) the pro-home ref?* - voiceofreason February 5, 2025, 18:57:45 Carstenstein* - ISeeDeadHawkeyes February 5, 2025, 19:34:43 Barf* - Ron McDon February 5, 2025, 18:42:34 Oh my. Hate to even ask who the third might be. * - DocWalk20 February 5, 2025, 18:42:16 Owen Shortt - jdl February 5, 2025, 18:58:50 He's not great either-I think the last time we had him was the Mizzou game* - illini222 February 5, 2025, 19:16:46 Seriously? We get both knees and scrotum?! We fucked* - OWWDig February 5, 2025, 18:42:12 Looks like the ugly whites tonight for us.* - voiceofreason February 5, 2025, 18:09:12 They’re not ugly, they’re European.* - SurfTheBoneyard February 5, 2025, 18:23:39 Acknowledged.* - voiceofreason February 5, 2025, 18:29:19 Harper practicing and likely to play now. So much for that* - HamptonSki February 5, 2025, 17:51:59 Line back to 6.5* - Blazer February 5, 2025, 19:07:52 We went from out for the season to playing tonight in like 10 hours - AintHatin February 5, 2025, 18:13:12 Must be how tOSU felt the other day when Tomi suddenly started and played 30* - OWWDig February 5, 2025, 18:16:13 Ha of course* - Ron McDon February 5, 2025, 18:10:33 They either win by 17+, or lose* - timmer February 5, 2025, 17:04:02 Win. Fuck Tony Soprano.* - Warrin'_Illini February 5, 2025, 16:56:51 Harper & Tre White listed as Questionable * - aimlessillini February 5, 2025, 16:37:27 Do we know what was wrong with Tre?* - OWWDig February 5, 2025, 18:20:25 Line opened at 6.5, so Harper must be out* - Blazer February 5, 2025, 12:09:35 Catching up on some recruiting: Absolutely wild that there is a 2027 top 5 recruit from Olney - illini21 February 5, 2025, 8:50:32 Is he a 1 and done, or do we want him to go somewhere else for his freshman year?* - DT February 5, 2025, 9:25:50 The entire team is essentially one and done each year, now * - illini thunder February 5, 2025, 9:27:53 I remember when one and done meant entering the NBA draft.* - MojoJojo February 5, 2025, 9:37:02 Either way, you're looking for more money next season. - osklister February 5, 2025, 11:32:26 Hell yeah! Home of the white squirrels!! - Jackie February 5, 2025, 8:58:51 You think they would allow any others?* - Chilango February 5, 2025, 11:52:17 Turkey Sammich* - Chilango February 5, 2025, 11:52:17 *Miles * - ATL February 5, 2025, 9:01:20 I actually think we're gonna come out fired up tonight. - JFG February 5, 2025, 8:11:51 They’ve lost at home to MSU, scUM, Purdue, and Wisconsin - GMAW February 5, 2025, 8:11:32 Time to get on a roll. No excuses. - uofi1998 February 5, 2025, 7:26:48 this* - OWWDig February 5, 2025, 11:13:57 Yeah that’s huge. Definitely must assume no Harper but even then feels too high* - OB25 February 5, 2025, 7:15:21 Reports are that Harper might be done for the season* - HamptonSki February 5, 2025, 7:50:01 With how he's projected, makes sense. Buttgers isn't making the tourney with our without him.* - JFG February 5, 2025, 7:51:16 Yep yep. Kids are gonna quit earlier and earlier IMHO. C'est la vie. - osklister February 5, 2025, 8:45:10   Searching