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record property tax increases slam chicago homeowners

Posted by Ari Gold <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Ari+Gold' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 18, 2025, 16:17:15

https://www.chicagotribune.com/2025/11/17/chicago-property-tax-bills-skyrocket-2025/

"An analysis from Cook County Treasurer Maria Pappas’ office found the median property tax bill for a Chicago homeowner jumped 16.7% since last year, the largest percentage increase in at least 30 years. The surge follows similar spikes in Cook County’s north and south suburbs over the last two years and complicates the job of the Chicago City Council as it considers tax hikes to help close a historic budget gap."

"“When you have a vacancy rate in commercial properties the way we do in the city right now, commercial (valuations are) going to go down,” Pappas said in an interview Friday. “So, who has to pick it up? It’s like a scale. If … one side goes down, the other goes up.”"

"The median residential bill in the Chicago community areas of Englewood, West Pullman, West Englewood, Fuller Park, New City, East Garfield Park and Riverdale each increased between 54% and 82%. Even outside those neighborhoods, South and West Side homeowners faced steeper increases than the rest of the city."

"This year’s bills reflect last year’s citywide reassessment by Kaegi’s office, the results of appeals before the county’s Board of Review and higher overall tax levies by local governments. The city of Chicago has not increased its levy since 2022, but Chicago Public Schools — which is the biggest recipient of property tax revenue in Chicago — has consistently raised its levy by the maximum allowed under state law and has sometimes even exceeded that cap through special carve-outs, a recent study found."

"“It’s probably the most unhappy ‘I told you so’ a person could offer,” said Farzin Parang, executive director of the Building Owners and Managers Association of Chicago, which represents downtown office owners. Parang said he has been warning for years that chronically high vacancies and depressed sales downtown would eventually push more of the tax burden onto city homeowners."

nothing to see here, especially since it's on the south and west sides.

Tangential…for all the reports of our imminent demise…my friend just took a 105k price increase….

Posted by haighter <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=haighter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 9:41:52, in reply to "record property tax increases slam chicago homeowners"

On his house after a few weeks on the market in our neighborhood.

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Assume that’s ~10% over ask? Unfortunately (for buyers), that’s not even that bad in SF*

Posted by snipes824 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=snipes824' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 12:54:35, in reply to "Tangential…for all the reports of our imminent demise…my friend just took a 105k price increase…."

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On his house after a few weeks on the market in our neighborhood.

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happens in chicago now, basically all the time. and most stuff sells in less than a week. at least

Posted by cpsteine <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=cpsteine' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 13:55:39, in reply to "Assume that’s ~10% over ask? Unfortunately (for buyers), that’s not even that bad in SF*"

around here

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On his house after a few weeks on the market in our neighborhood.

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Yea...I'm not sure why he raised the listing from 1.495 to 1.6...but it'll be interesting to see...

Posted by haighter <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=haighter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 14:00:14, in reply to "happens in chicago now, basically all the time. and most stuff sells in less than a week. at least "

...if he then still gets over asking.

I can only guess in the 2 weeks he was listed he was inundated with over asking prices?

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around here

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On his house after a few weeks on the market in our neighborhood.

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In my experience it's very common to list your house just under a million

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 14:10:37, in reply to "Yea...I'm not sure why he raised the listing from 1.495 to 1.6...but it'll be interesting to see..."

or just under $1.5 million, mainly to work around people's search parameters.

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...if he then still gets over asking.

I can only guess in the 2 weeks he was listed he was inundated with over asking prices?

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around here

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On his house after a few weeks on the market in our neighborhood.

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Well now that crime in Chicago is at a decades low...

Posted by KingTalkyTiki <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=KingTalkyTiki' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 11:45:14, in reply to "Tangential…for all the reports of our imminent demise…my friend just took a 105k price increase…."

... the Aris and Fatazz Osklisters of the world need something, anything else to legitimize their belief in the impending demise of Chicago (a city neither of the previous mentioned actually live in), the same demise I've been hearing about and patiently waiting for since 2005.

Yet somehow Chicago and San Francisco just keep on keeping on despite the haters...

"You must own the honor of being the whitest, military vet, fat, multiple state property owner but most of all the one who hates their own country the most in our country."

ooo

Posted by Ari Gold <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Ari+Gold' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 12:48:15, in reply to "Well now that crime in Chicago is at a decades low..."

https://x.com/bobbyfijan/status/1990907950987145236

all is well!

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Oh no! Less children under 5?

Do you think this is some sort of new trend in Chicago?

*looks at laundry list of former Deucers over the past 20 years that lived in Chicago and moved out once they had kids*

..but I'm sure NOW it surely means the city's demise *eyeroll*

"You must own the honor of being the whitest, military vet, fat, multiple state property owner but most of all the one who hates their own country the most in our country."

Serious question

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 13:40:14, in reply to "Oh no! Less children under 5? "

Do people move to the suburb when they have children because they want to or because it just makes the most sense to do so from an affordability perspective.

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Don't threaten me with a good time. Like my restaurants and my flights, that's a selling point, not a detraction. Does this also mean a larger percentage of us DINKs and DINKWADs with more disposable income not being blown on kids? Because that sounds truly awful too.

Shocking report: People with kids tend to move to the 'burbs or "cities" that are really just overgrown car-centric suburbs (see nearly every city on the plus list). Film at 11. Do you think this is some sort of new trend in Chicago? *looks at laundry list of former Deucers over the past 20 years that lived in Chicago and moved out once they had kids* ..but I'm sure NOW it surely means the city's demise *eyeroll*

Good question to ask*

Posted by reggiedunlop <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=reggiedunlop' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 15:36:23, in reply to "Serious question"

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Do people move to the suburb when they have children because they want to or because it just makes the most sense to do so from an affordability perspective.

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Basket of Services - we've kinda abstracted local government out to pick and choose what it spends

Posted by ijustkrushalot <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ijustkrushalot' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 14:55:35, in reply to "Serious question"

on... you can live* in the City that specializes on having parks and schools, or other sets of services...

*assuming you can afford, those without means get boxed out and put into places that have no tax base and no services and everyone else uses that to tell themselves how bad that place is

schools and space*

Posted by gvibes <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=gvibes' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 14:43:04, in reply to "Serious question"

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Do people move to the suburb when they have children because they want to or because it just makes the most sense to do so from an affordability perspective.

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Forgot: Where the jobs are in some cases*

Posted by Chilango <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Chilango' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 14:41:55, in reply to "Serious question"

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Do people move to the suburb when they have children because they want to or because it just makes the most sense to do so from an affordability perspective.

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Schools, space, cost, fear, peace and quiet

also just back to what they knew.

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Do people move to the suburb when they have children because they want to or because it just makes the most sense to do so from an affordability perspective.

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4 of those 5 are valid*

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 14:41:18, in reply to "Schools, space, cost, fear, peace and quiet"

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also just back to what they knew.

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Do people move to the suburb when they have children because they want to or because it just makes the most sense to do so from an affordability perspective.

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Who am I to tell someone their motivation is wrong*

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also just back to what they knew.

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Do people move to the suburb when they have children because they want to or because it just makes the most sense to do so from an affordability perspective.

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I'm just saying the safety perception is mostly propaganda*

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 14:49:02, in reply to "Who am I to tell someone their motivation is wrong*"

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also just back to what they knew.

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Do people move to the suburb when they have children because they want to or because it just makes the most sense to do so from an affordability perspective.

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I'm a city guy, but I have to disagree with you on that one*

Posted by jjlocke923 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=jjlocke923' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 15:13:24, in reply to "I'm just saying the safety perception is mostly propaganda*"

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also just back to what they knew.

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Do people move to the suburb when they have children because they want to or because it just makes the most sense to do so from an affordability perspective.

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Proud Winner of the 2024 Deuce ROY Award

I think he's mostly right*

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also just back to what they knew.

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Do people move to the suburb when they have children because they want to or because it just makes the most sense to do so from an affordability perspective.

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I'm not saying it's not safer in the suburbs, of course it is

I'm saying that the perception of actual danger is very very low, and I say that as someone who has potential encounters on the regular. In the past two weeks, I've had a drugged out person knock on my door at 9 in the morning for god knows what reason and got stuck in the middle of a shoplifting dispute with security guards at my local grocery store. They are inconveniences that I'd rather avoid, but there is no real actual threat of danger.

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also just back to what they knew.

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Do people move to the suburb when they have children because they want to or because it just makes the most sense to do so from an affordability perspective.

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I guess that makes sense if you're talking about the chance of actually getting hurt*

Posted by jjlocke923 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=jjlocke923' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 15:20:12, in reply to "I'm not saying it's not safer in the suburbs, of course it is"

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also just back to what they knew.

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Do people move to the suburb when they have children because they want to or because it just makes the most sense to do so from an affordability perspective.

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Proud Winner of the 2024 Deuce ROY Award

Schools and space*

Posted by ISeeDeadHawkeyes <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ISeeDeadHawkeyes' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 14:29:31, in reply to "Serious question"

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Do people move to the suburb when they have children because they want to or because it just makes the most sense to do so from an affordability perspective.

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All of the above and more?*

Posted by Chicago1995 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Chicago1995' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 13:46:27, in reply to "Serious question"

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Do people move to the suburb when they have children because they want to or because it just makes the most sense to do so from an affordability perspective.

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We moved to the suburbs when we had mini because I don't think I could have handled

Posted by ATL <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ATL' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 13:42:51, in reply to "Serious question"

a tunnel and two bridge commute from my office to the city.

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Do people move to the suburb when they have children because they want to or because it just makes the most sense to do so from an affordability perspective.

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“We are old and tired and just want to be taken care of.” - Republican voter, Dec. 2024.

Seattle famously has more dogs than children*

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 13:39:10, in reply to "Oh no! Less children under 5? "

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Sounds beautiful*

Posted by KingTalkyTiki <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=KingTalkyTiki' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 13:53:51, in reply to "Seattle famously has more dogs than children*"

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"You must own the honor of being the whitest, military vet, fat, multiple state property owner but most of all the one who hates their own country the most in our country."

I'm not mad at it

I honestly would be perfectly content living a completely child free existence (which I do for the most part already). The curling club is the only place I actively see children, and I tend to avoid the times of the week when I know they are going to be there.

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ooo

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 13:09:39, in reply to "Oh no! Less children under 5? "

"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

Point tooken.*

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"You must own the honor of being the whitest, military vet, fat, multiple state property owner but most of all the one who hates their own country the most in our country."

This drives me crazy (not referring specifically to you, Ari). But, the graph you showed is a huge

Posted by reggiedunlop <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=reggiedunlop' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 12:54:33, in reply to "ooo"

problem, but we can't even really talk about it because just use it to bash Chicago (or whatever city). There are a lot of other instances where it would be great to have a real conversation to actually resolve these problem.

For me, this one is determined mainly by housing costs, it's hard to buy a good place for a family to live in the city.

I'll leave this to the Chilangos of the world who are doing it successfully...

Posted by KingTalkyTiki <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=KingTalkyTiki' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 13:10:05, in reply to "This drives me crazy (not referring specifically to you, Ari). But, the graph you showed is a huge "

..but I've always said city living isn't for everyone. Any densely populated area, especially older cities (see every city on that list in the negative) has huge inconveniences. For example though I love Chicago, there are few things I hate more than when I have to drive in Chicago.

I have to imagine with kids, those pain points are only exacerbated, while some of the pluses of living in the city are negated by the reduced free time and disposable income.

I've always admired my friends that choose to raise their kids in the city and deal with the headaches because they see the advantages in the increased diversity and cultural opportunities. *hat tip to Chilango*

"You must own the honor of being the whitest, military vet, fat, multiple state property owner but most of all the one who hates their own country the most in our country."

Thanks dude.

It's all a choice about what one values and wants. We prefer our kids be exposed to a diverse upbringing. We have friends that prefer peace and quiet. Others in between. Happy that my kids are in a school that is better than anything outside city limits. Glad we can walk to lake, walk to dinner, etc. Others may value space and other things.

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Inconveniences are definitely part of it, but so is cost

Posted by snipes824 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=snipes824' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 13:15:00, in reply to "I'll leave this to the Chilangos of the world who are doing it successfully..."

We need to make our major cities more affordable. When daycare is $3k/month and rents/mortgages are $5k+/month for something big enough for a kid, the upper middle class becomes poor. It shouldn’t be that way.

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..but I've always said city living isn't for everyone. Any densely populated area, especially older cities (see every city on that list in the negative) has huge inconveniences. For example though I love Chicago, there are few things I hate more than when I have to drive in Chicago.

I have to imagine with kids, those pain points are only exacerbated, while some of the pluses of living in the city are negated by the reduced free time and disposable income.

I've always admired my friends that have chosen to raise their kids in the city and deal with the headaches because they see the advantages in the increased diversity and cultural opportunities.

Affordability is increasingly completely out of control

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 13:42:19, in reply to "Inconveniences are definitely part of it, but so is cost"

in just about any desirable metro area, and it's a huge problem that I have no idea how to solve.

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..but I've always said city living isn't for everyone. Any densely populated area, especially older cities (see every city on that list in the negative) has huge inconveniences. For example though I love Chicago, there are few things I hate more than when I have to drive in Chicago.

I have to imagine with kids, those pain points are only exacerbated, while some of the pluses of living in the city are negated by the reduced free time and disposable income.

I've always admired my friends that have chosen to raise their kids in the city and deal with the headaches because they see the advantages in the increased diversity and cultural opportunities.

It’s pretty much all housing and childcare

Posted by snipes824 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=snipes824' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 13:48:26, in reply to "Affordability is increasingly completely out of control"

Housing is the harder fix due to land constraints (at least in core urban areas), but childcare absolutely needs to be subsidized. $3k/month in high COL areas is outrageous. It drops when they go to kindergarten, but still. That’s untenable for most people. If you get that cost back, the math starts to work better again.

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in just about any desirable metro area, and it's a huge problem that I have no idea how to solve.

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..but I've always said city living isn't for everyone. Any densely populated area, especially older cities (see every city on that list in the negative) has huge inconveniences. For example though I love Chicago, there are few things I hate more than when I have to drive in Chicago.

I have to imagine with kids, those pain points are only exacerbated, while some of the pluses of living in the city are negated by the reduced free time and disposable income.

I've always admired my friends that have chosen to raise their kids in the city and deal with the headaches because they see the advantages in the increased diversity and cultural opportunities.

It feels like only the rich can afford children

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 14:02:58, in reply to "It’s pretty much all housing and childcare"

and the rich are increasingly less likely to have children, as they realize it's increasing a terrible value proposition.

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Housing is the hthe riarder fix due to land constraints (at least in core urban areas), but childcare absolutely needs to be subsidized. $3k/month in high COL areas is outrageous. It drops when they go to kindergarten, but still. That’s untenable for most people. If you get that cost back, the math starts to work better again.

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in just about any desirable metro area, and it's a huge problem that I have no idea how to solve.

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..but I've always said city living isn't for everyone. Any densely populated area, especially older cities (see every city on that list in the negative) has huge inconveniences. For example though I love Chicago, there are few things I hate more than when I have to drive in Chicago.

I have to imagine with kids, those pain points are only exacerbated, while some of the pluses of living in the city are negated by the reduced free time and disposable income.

I've always admired my friends that have chosen to raise their kids in the city and deal with the headaches because they see the advantages in the increased diversity and cultural opportunities.

...or, and hear me out, just tell people they should have more kids and do little to nothing..

Posted by KingTalkyTiki <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=KingTalkyTiki' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 13:17:49, in reply to "Inconveniences are definitely part of it, but so is cost"

..to alleviate the real world issues that make doing it so prohibitive.

I call it "The GOP plan".

"You must own the honor of being the whitest, military vet, fat, multiple state property owner but most of all the one who hates their own country the most in our country."

Yes, the GOP is awful. But I’d like the places that are run by democrats to deliver more

Posted by snipes824 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=snipes824' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 13:23:26, in reply to "...or, and hear me out, just tell people they should have more kids and do little to nothing.."

Build more homes, provide childcare, etc.

I’m someone who is going to try to raise a kid in one of the most expensive cities in the country, and the math is very tough even though we do pretty well.

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..to alleviate the real world issues that make doing it so prohibitive.

I call it "The GOP plan".

Is the cost of daycare significantly lower in the suburbs? Honest question.

Posted by longsnapper <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=longsnapper' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 13:55:43, in reply to "Yes, the GOP is awful. But I’d like the places that are run by democrats to deliver more"

I have no idea, but, using Chicago as an example, the cost of daycare being more expensive in the city than in Evanston, Barrington, Glencoe, etc. would surprise me.

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..to alleviate the real world issues that make doing it so prohibitive.

I call it "The GOP plan".

Lots of puns, no real answers

It was maybe 20% cheaper in the burbs vs Chicago.

Posted by Carl Spackler <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Carl+Spackler' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 14:40:20, in reply to "Is the cost of daycare significantly lower in the suburbs? Honest question."

Which amounts to roughly $5K/year?

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I have no idea, but, using Chicago as an example, the cost of daycare being more expensive in the city than in Evanston, Barrington, Glencoe, etc. would surprise me.

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..to alleviate the real world issues that make doing it so prohibitive.

I call it "The GOP plan".

Been a long time, but I don't think it was noticably different in the burbs for us.

House was cheaper, obviously.

We weren't interested in raising kids in the city in any event. Could have won the lottery and we wouldn't have stayed. We're small town kids at heart, i guess.

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I have no idea, but, using Chicago as an example, the cost of daycare being more expensive in the city than in Evanston, Barrington, Glencoe, etc. would surprise me.

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..to alleviate the real world issues that make doing it so prohibitive.

I call it "The GOP plan".

I've yet to find a suburb that feels as small town as an actual city. And by small town, I mean

Posted by longsnapper <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=longsnapper' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 14:24:52, in reply to "Been a long time, but I don't think it was noticably different in the burbs for us."

A legitimate small town. Walk to school small town. The typical suburban experience is about as far from small town as you can get.

There may be some suburbs that have that feel, but I'm guessing that is because it shares similarities with cities. Walkable, higher density, and accessible.

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House was cheaper, obviously.

We weren't interested in raising kids in the city in any event. Could have won the lottery and we wouldn't have stayed. We're small town kids at heart, i guess.

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I have no idea, but, using Chicago as an example, the cost of daycare being more expensive in the city than in Evanston, Barrington, Glencoe, etc. would surprise me.

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..to alleviate the real world issues that make doing it so prohibitive.

I call it "The GOP plan".

Lots of puns, no real answers

Late to the thread but I agree a lot here…maybe some of it is bias…

Posted by haighter <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=haighter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 20, 2025, 8:24:09, in reply to "I've yet to find a suburb that feels as small town as an actual city. And by small town, I mean"

But I live in that weird part of a city that is still within the city but removed from most of the core aspects of it. Like when people conjure up images of “San Francisco” it’s not physically or culturally gonna be where I live…yet where I live, and other places in SF like mine, are where you get generational San Franciscans…and by association, lots of kids.

Along with that, the neighborhood feels like a very small town. I know all of my neighbors. We all have keys to each others houses. Our kids play on the sidewalk and run back and forth between each others houses. Their school is walkable. The park and library are walkable. There’s frequent block parties and festivals and street markets. We take our kids abd their friends and parents and attend local high school sports events. I can’t go to the store, or to get a coffee or go to a bar or a restaurant without running into at least a few people I know. It’s very tight knit…and can be kinda insular.

My house is small. Very small by ish-standards…and it’s worth a ton of money, relatively. I could sell it and move to most other places and come out ahead. We’ve considered it years ago…especially during Covid shutdowns…but ultimately we didn’t. I’ve lived in the neighborhood for 15 years now and 13 years on my block. My wife grew up in this neighborhood. I think it takes a long time to break through the shell and form a community like we have here. Especially now with school aged kids, the thought of starting that process over is a non starter for us.

That and I enjoy being home. My commute is about 20-30 minutes my boss lives in Petaluma and is frequently in the car for 2-3 hours a day. No fucking way.

So, that’s my long winded explanation of why I kinda agree with Snapper.

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House was cheaper, obviously.

We weren't interested in raising kids in the city in any event. Could have won the lottery and we wouldn't have stayed. We're small town kids at heart, i guess.

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I have no idea, but, using Chicago as an example, the cost of daycare being more expensive in the city than in Evanston, Barrington, Glencoe, etc. would surprise me.

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..to alleviate the real world issues that make doing it so prohibitive.

I call it "The GOP plan".

It's rare that I see, let alone meet, a neighbor when I visit friends or families in the burbs.

Posted by longsnapper <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=longsnapper' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 20, 2025, 8:54:52, in reply to "Late to the thread but I agree a lot here…maybe some of it is bias…"

Where as it's a near certainty that our visitors will get introduced to a neighbor when we bump into each other in the neighborhood.

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House was cheaper, obviously.

We weren't interested in raising kids in the city in any event. Could have won the lottery and we wouldn't have stayed. We're small town kids at heart, i guess.

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I have no idea, but, using Chicago as an example, the cost of daycare being more expensive in the city than in Evanston, Barrington, Glencoe, etc. would surprise me.

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..to alleviate the real world issues that make doing it so prohibitive.

I call it "The GOP plan".

Lots of puns, no real answers

My experience is completely different

My wife and I grew up in rural farm communities in Western Illinois. I didn't walk to school. She grew up on a farm. Our experiences growing up aren't like living in eithr the City or the burbs. But it's closer to the suburban experience by a good bit in terms of day to day existence.

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House was cheaper, obviously.

We weren't interested in raising kids in the city in any event. Could have won the lottery and we wouldn't have stayed. We're small town kids at heart, i guess.

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I have no idea, but, using Chicago as an example, the cost of daycare being more expensive in the city than in Evanston, Barrington, Glencoe, etc. would surprise me.

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..to alleviate the real world issues that make doing it so prohibitive.

I call it "The GOP plan".

I spent a week in Peoria a few months ago

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 15:13:52, in reply to "My experience is completely different"

It was eye opening on many levels. Even though I grew up there, I feel like I learn something every time I go back to visit. This most recent takeaway was how inactive people are in rural communities, and that they don't walk anywhere. Mind you, my parents are pushing 80, but the decline in their level of activity over the years is pretty startling to me.

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House was cheaper, obviously.

We weren't interested in raising kids in the city in any event. Could have won the lottery and we wouldn't have stayed. We're small town kids at heart, i guess.

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I have no idea, but, using Chicago as an example, the cost of daycare being more expensive in the city than in Evanston, Barrington, Glencoe, etc. would surprise me.

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..to alleviate the real world issues that make doing it so prohibitive.

I call it "The GOP plan".

I have no basis to compare.

My father-in-law and brother-in-law both live on farms outside of town. They're plenty active (my FIL is 92, so it's active for his age) but they have to drive anyplace because, well, they live two miles from town.

There are plenty of people in my hometown that are active. They just drive to a lot of their activity.

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House was cheaper, obviously.

We weren't interested in raising kids in the city in any event. Could have won the lottery and we wouldn't have stayed. We're small town kids at heart, i guess.

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I have no idea, but, using Chicago as an example, the cost of daycare being more expensive in the city than in Evanston, Barrington, Glencoe, etc. would surprise me.

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..to alleviate the real world issues that make doing it so prohibitive.

I call it "The GOP plan".

Are you embarrassed when you tell your friends you are from Peoria?

Posted by jjlocke923 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=jjlocke923' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 15:17:36, in reply to "I spent a week in Peoria a few months ago"

Do you say "I'm from Peoria, but......"?

Proud Winner of the 2024 Deuce ROY Award

I'm actually quite proud of it, do you tell all your friends you're a huge cunt?*

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 15:23:19, in reply to "Are you embarrassed when you tell your friends you are from Peoria?"

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Do you say "I'm from Peoria, but......"?

I only said that because usually you reference all of the bad things about it.

Posted by jjlocke923 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=jjlocke923' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 15:26:39, in reply to "I'm actually quite proud of it, do you tell all your friends you're a huge cunt?*"

I don't see you mention too many good things. I'm glad you are proud of it.

Proud Winner of the 2024 Deuce ROY Award

My whole point is that it's way worse than it used to be

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 15:28:51, in reply to "I only said that because usually you reference all of the bad things about it."

and the city and the urban core has mostly been abandoned in favor of cookie cutter McMansions, and the blue collar base and income disparity has gotten way worse.

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I don't see you mention too many good things. I'm glad you are proud of it.

I also think different folks have different level of "surburbia" tolerance

I'd likely be miserable in a concrete jungle like Schaumburg or Naperville, but I'm pretty happy here in La Grange.

Still need a car for everything, but it's pretty rare I ever have to go more than 2-3 miles.

Kids school is literally across the street. Two grocery stores within 5 minute drive. Soccer practice 10 minutes drive, baseball either 10 min walking or 2 minute drive.

Downtown with restaurants and a movie theater. Not as many choices as the actual city though.

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House was cheaper, obviously.

We weren't interested in raising kids in the city in any event. Could have won the lottery and we wouldn't have stayed. We're small town kids at heart, i guess.

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I have no idea, but, using Chicago as an example, the cost of daycare being more expensive in the city than in Evanston, Barrington, Glencoe, etc. would surprise me.

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..to alleviate the real world issues that make doing it so prohibitive.

I call it "The GOP plan".

Very true.

Grayslake has a very "small town" downtown. A few restaurants. Some bars. Tastee Freeze. Not as developed as LaGrange. Works for us. Probably too small for others.

But generally it's the same. 10 minutes to the HS. Less to a grocery. Baseball practice was 15. Games were more even before we started travel.

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House was cheaper, obviously.

We weren't interested in raising kids in the city in any event. Could have won the lottery and we wouldn't have stayed. We're small town kids at heart, i guess.

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I have no idea, but, using Chicago as an example, the cost of daycare being more expensive in the city than in Evanston, Barrington, Glencoe, etc. would surprise me.

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..to alleviate the real world issues that make doing it so prohibitive.

I call it "The GOP plan".

The thing that always strikes me about visiting my family in Peoria area

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 15:30:58, in reply to "Very true."

is how much easier everything is. No traffic, lower cost of living, slower pace of life (for better and for worse), etc. I totally get the appeal, it's just not for me.

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House was cheaper, obviously.

We weren't interested in raising kids in the city in any event. Could have won the lottery and we wouldn't have stayed. We're small town kids at heart, i guess.

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I have no idea, but, using Chicago as an example, the cost of daycare being more expensive in the city than in Evanston, Barrington, Glencoe, etc. would surprise me.

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..to alleviate the real world issues that make doing it so prohibitive.

I call it "The GOP plan".

Same with the Quad Cities

We feel like we've got a nice balance here between that and living in the City.

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is how much easier everything is. No traffic, lower cost of living, slower pace of life (for better and for worse), etc. I totally get the appeal, it's just not for me.

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House was cheaper, obviously.

We weren't interested in raising kids in the city in any event. Could have won the lottery and we wouldn't have stayed. We're small town kids at heart, i guess.

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I have no idea, but, using Chicago as an example, the cost of daycare being more expensive in the city than in Evanston, Barrington, Glencoe, etc. would surprise me.

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..to alleviate the real world issues that make doing it so prohibitive.

I call it "The GOP plan".

Think you also have to consider distance from the city

But points taken.

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House was cheaper, obviously.

We weren't interested in raising kids in the city in any event. Could have won the lottery and we wouldn't have stayed. We're small town kids at heart, i guess.

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I have no idea, but, using Chicago as an example, the cost of daycare being more expensive in the city than in Evanston, Barrington, Glencoe, etc. would surprise me.

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..to alleviate the real world issues that make doing it so prohibitive.

I call it "The GOP plan".

Distance to the city definitely matters.

We're out this far because when we moved, my wife worked in Vernon Hils and we liked this better than options closer to the city.

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But points taken.

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House was cheaper, obviously.

We weren't interested in raising kids in the city in any event. Could have won the lottery and we wouldn't have stayed. We're small town kids at heart, i guess.

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I have no idea, but, using Chicago as an example, the cost of daycare being more expensive in the city than in Evanston, Barrington, Glencoe, etc. would surprise me.

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..to alleviate the real world issues that make doing it so prohibitive.

I call it "The GOP plan".

Too many choices is overrated

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 15:25:16, in reply to "I also think different folks have different level of "surburbia" tolerance"

there's something to be said for being a regular at a local place that you love.

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House was cheaper, obviously.

We weren't interested in raising kids in the city in any event. Could have won the lottery and we wouldn't have stayed. We're small town kids at heart, i guess.

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I have no idea, but, using Chicago as an example, the cost of daycare being more expensive in the city than in Evanston, Barrington, Glencoe, etc. would surprise me.

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..to alleviate the real world issues that make doing it so prohibitive.

I call it "The GOP plan".

Pre-war suburb vs post-war suburbs.

Posted by KingTalkyTiki <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=KingTalkyTiki' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 15:14:20, in reply to "I also think different folks have different level of "surburbia" tolerance"

There's a reason many of the post-war ones wouls like to reconfigure themselves to be more like the LaGranges, Evanstons, Wheatons and Oak Parks of the world.

"You must own the honor of being the whitest, military vet, fat, multiple state property owner but most of all the one who hates their own country the most in our country."

too much caffeine.*

Posted by KingTalkyTiki <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=KingTalkyTiki' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 15:14:20, in reply to "I also think different folks have different level of "surburbia" tolerance"

"You must own the honor of being the whitest, military vet, fat, multiple state property owner but most of all the one who hates their own country the most in our country."

I have no idea. I assume maybe not. I’m speaking purely from a core HCOL city perspective

Posted by snipes824 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=snipes824' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 14:02:52, in reply to "Is the cost of daycare significantly lower in the suburbs? Honest question."

Housing + daycare in these places is just way too high for most people, and I think democrats should get on that cause again.

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I have no idea, but, using Chicago as an example, the cost of daycare being more expensive in the city than in Evanston, Barrington, Glencoe, etc. would surprise me.

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..to alleviate the real world issues that make doing it so prohibitive.

I call it "The GOP plan".

I have a hard time reconciling that the suburbs are some magically cheaper place.

Posted by longsnapper <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=longsnapper' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 14:21:26, in reply to "I have no idea. I assume maybe not. I’m speaking purely from a core HCOL city perspective"

It's all about the spending choices people make and what is sacrificed/gained.

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Housing + daycare in these places is just way too high for most people, and I think democrats should get on that cause again.

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I have no idea, but, using Chicago as an example, the cost of daycare being more expensive in the city than in Evanston, Barrington, Glencoe, etc. would surprise me.

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..to alleviate the real world issues that make doing it so prohibitive.

I call it "The GOP plan".

Lots of puns, no real answers

I can’t speak for Chicago. I can speak for NYC, Denver, and the Bay Area

Posted by snipes824 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=snipes824' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 14:39:46, in reply to "I have a hard time reconciling that the suburbs are some magically cheaper place."

It is unequivocally cheaper to get a ~1,300 sq/ft place in the suburbs vs. a nice core city neighborhood in these areas. It’s a huge premium in NYC, more modest in Denver.

The Bay Area is more universally expensive everywhere, but it is still definitely more expensive to get a ~1,300 sq/ft place in a core SF neighborhood than much of the east bay.

This is borne out by median price/sqft info.

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It's all about the spending choices people make and what is sacrificed/gained.

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Housing + daycare in these places is just way too high for most people, and I think democrats should get on that cause again.

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I have no idea, but, using Chicago as an example, the cost of daycare being more expensive in the city than in Evanston, Barrington, Glencoe, etc. would surprise me.

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..to alleviate the real world issues that make doing it so prohibitive.

I call it "The GOP plan".

Yes, but that's just a single metric. It's not a solvable or definable equation, I know, but

Posted by longsnapper <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=longsnapper' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 14:58:58, in reply to "I can’t speak for Chicago. I can speak for NYC, Denver, and the Bay Area"

But there are aspects of life that can be drastically more expensive in the suburbs. Transportation, home up keep, property taxes. If you don't value some of the intangible benefits of living in the city, then the suburbs make sense. But I don't think actual monetary savings is a real difference maker.

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It's all about the spending choices people make and what is sacrificed/gained.

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Housing + daycare in these places is just way too high for most people, and I think democrats should get on that cause again.

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I have no idea, but, using Chicago as an example, the cost of daycare being more expensive in the city than in Evanston, Barrington, Glencoe, etc. would surprise me.

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..to alleviate the real world issues that make doing it so prohibitive.

I call it "The GOP plan".

Lots of puns, no real answers

Now that I'm older and go out way less than I used to

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 15:32:33, in reply to "Yes, but that's just a single metric. It's not a solvable or definable equation, I know, but "

I often wonder if paying a premium to live in the city is worth it, since I don't really utilize most of the benefits anymore, while the downside (congestion, homeless) just keeps getting worse.

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It's all about the spending choices people make and what is sacrificed/gained.

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Housing + daycare in these places is just way too high for most people, and I think democrats should get on that cause again.

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I have no idea, but, using Chicago as an example, the cost of daycare being more expensive in the city than in Evanston, Barrington, Glencoe, etc. would surprise me.

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..to alleviate the real world issues that make doing it so prohibitive.

I call it "The GOP plan".

Every situation is unique. If that’s yours, I get it

Posted by snipes824 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=snipes824' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 15:08:13, in reply to "Yes, but that's just a single metric. It's not a solvable or definable equation, I know, but "

In mine, it is prohibitively more expensive to live in the walkable core neighborhoods I want to vs. the suburbs outside of them.

And my *original* point was actually much more specific than this. It wasn’t a suburbs vs. city thing at all. It was that a) childcare is way too expensive in this country and we should try to do something about it, and b) cities don’t build enough “family” housing anymore. When 70% of new units in these cities are studios and 1BR’s, it doesn’t make it easy for families to stay. Let’s build more units of all sizes.

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It's all about the spending choices people make and what is sacrificed/gained.

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Housing + daycare in these places is just way too high for most people, and I think democrats should get on that cause again.

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I have no idea, but, using Chicago as an example, the cost of daycare being more expensive in the city than in Evanston, Barrington, Glencoe, etc. would surprise me.

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..to alleviate the real world issues that make doing it so prohibitive.

I call it "The GOP plan".

Both A and B are massive massive problems in this country

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 15:33:58, in reply to "Every situation is unique. If that’s yours, I get it"

and it's getting dangerously bad.

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It's all about the spending choices people make and what is sacrificed/gained.

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Housing + daycare in these places is just way too high for most people, and I think democrats should get on that cause again.

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I have no idea, but, using Chicago as an example, the cost of daycare being more expensive in the city than in Evanston, Barrington, Glencoe, etc. would surprise me.

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..to alleviate the real world issues that make doing it so prohibitive.

I call it "The GOP plan".

Your take on this matter is absolutely insane to me

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 15:04:31, in reply to "Yes, but that's just a single metric. It's not a solvable or definable equation, I know, but "

Of course there is cost savings, it's the primary reason everyone does it. It's the reason why the closer suburbs are more expensive than the outer suburbs. It's all a trade off.

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It's all about the spending choices people make and what is sacrificed/gained.

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Housing + daycare in these places is just way too high for most people, and I think democrats should get on that cause again.

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I have no idea, but, using Chicago as an example, the cost of daycare being more expensive in the city than in Evanston, Barrington, Glencoe, etc. would surprise me.

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..to alleviate the real world issues that make doing it so prohibitive.

I call it "The GOP plan".

It might be the primary "reason" people do it, but it doesn't make it a certainty.

Posted by longsnapper <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=longsnapper' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 15:21:23, in reply to "Your take on this matter is absolutely insane to me"

And I think the primary reason they do it is for space.

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Of course there is cost savings, it's the primary reason everyone does it. It's the reason why the closer suburbs are more expensive than the outer suburbs. It's all a trade off.

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It's all about the spending choices people make and what is sacrificed/gained.

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Housing + daycare in these places is just way too high for most people, and I think democrats should get on that cause again.

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I have no idea, but, using Chicago as an example, the cost of daycare being more expensive in the city than in Evanston, Barrington, Glencoe, etc. would surprise me.

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..to alleviate the real world issues that make doing it so prohibitive.

I call it "The GOP plan".

Lots of puns, no real answers

affordable space*

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 15:35:20, in reply to "It might be the primary "reason" people do it, but it doesn't make it a certainty."

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And I think the primary reason they do it is for space.

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Of course there is cost savings, it's the primary reason everyone does it. It's the reason why the closer suburbs are more expensive than the outer suburbs. It's all a trade off.

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It's all about the spending choices people make and what is sacrificed/gained.

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Housing + daycare in these places is just way too high for most people, and I think democrats should get on that cause again.

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I have no idea, but, using Chicago as an example, the cost of daycare being more expensive in the city than in Evanston, Barrington, Glencoe, etc. would surprise me.

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..to alleviate the real world issues that make doing it so prohibitive.

I call it "The GOP plan".

Yep, unused sitting rooms included with every purchase!*

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And I think the primary reason they do it is for space.

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Of course there is cost savings, it's the primary reason everyone does it. It's the reason why the closer suburbs are more expensive than the outer suburbs. It's all a trade off.

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It's all about the spending choices people make and what is sacrificed/gained.

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Housing + daycare in these places is just way too high for most people, and I think democrats should get on that cause again.

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I have no idea, but, using Chicago as an example, the cost of daycare being more expensive in the city than in Evanston, Barrington, Glencoe, etc. would surprise me.

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..to alleviate the real world issues that make doing it so prohibitive.

I call it "The GOP plan".

Lots of puns, no real answers

Ewww...don't East Bay... *

Posted by haighter <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=haighter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 14:46:59, in reply to "I can’t speak for Chicago. I can speak for NYC, Denver, and the Bay Area"

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It's all about the spending choices people make and what is sacrificed/gained.

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Housing + daycare in these places is just way too high for most people, and I think democrats should get on that cause again.

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I have no idea, but, using Chicago as an example, the cost of daycare being more expensive in the city than in Evanston, Barrington, Glencoe, etc. would surprise me.

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..to alleviate the real world issues that make doing it so prohibitive.

I call it "The GOP plan".

Would love not to, but when I face the market reality…

It would be sunnier at least.

Plus, joking aside, I actually do like the east bay. I have a buddy in temescal who I’ve visited a bunch. It’s not SF, but it’s a good lifestyle out there too.

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It's all about the spending choices people make and what is sacrificed/gained.

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Housing + daycare in these places is just way too high for most people, and I think democrats should get on that cause again.

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I have no idea, but, using Chicago as an example, the cost of daycare being more expensive in the city than in Evanston, Barrington, Glencoe, etc. would surprise me.

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..to alleviate the real world issues that make doing it so prohibitive.

I call it "The GOP plan".

I absolutely loved living in Walnut Creek

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 15:01:32, in reply to "Would love not to, but when I face the market reality…"

I loved the commute to the city less.

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It would be sunnier at least.

Plus, joking aside, I actually do like the east bay. I have a buddy in temescal who I’ve visited a bunch. It’s not SF, but it’s a good lifestyle out there too.

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It's all about the spending choices people make and what is sacrificed/gained.

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Housing + daycare in these places is just way too high for most people, and I think democrats should get on that cause again.

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I have no idea, but, using Chicago as an example, the cost of daycare being more expensive in the city than in Evanston, Barrington, Glencoe, etc. would surprise me.

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..to alleviate the real world issues that make doing it so prohibitive.

I call it "The GOP plan".

Too far out for me, and more true suburbia

Posted by snipes824 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=snipes824' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 15:10:25, in reply to "I absolutely loved living in Walnut Creek"

I’d be looking at Oakland, Berkeley, or maybe Albany. Trying to maintain as much urban feel as our money will allow.

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I loved the commute to the city less.

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It would be sunnier at least.

Plus, joking aside, I actually do like the east bay. I have a buddy in temescal who I’ve visited a bunch. It’s not SF, but it’s a good lifestyle out there too.

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It's all about the spending choices people make and what is sacrificed/gained.

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Housing + daycare in these places is just way too high for most people, and I think democrats should get on that cause again.

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I have no idea, but, using Chicago as an example, the cost of daycare being more expensive in the city than in Evanston, Barrington, Glencoe, etc. would surprise me.

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..to alleviate the real world issues that make doing it so prohibitive.

I call it "The GOP plan".

When we moved to Seattle, our baseline for what we wanted in a neighborhood

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 15:27:20, in reply to "Too far out for me, and more true suburbia "

Was Rockridge, which is an awesome area of Oakland/Berkeley adjacent.

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I’d be looking at Oakland, Berkeley, or maybe Albany. Trying to maintain as much urban feel as our money will allow.

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I loved the commute to the city less.

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It would be sunnier at least.

Plus, joking aside, I actually do like the east bay. I have a buddy in temescal who I’ve visited a bunch. It’s not SF, but it’s a good lifestyle out there too.

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It's all about the spending choices people make and what is sacrificed/gained.

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Housing + daycare in these places is just way too high for most people, and I think democrats should get on that cause again.

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I have no idea, but, using Chicago as an example, the cost of daycare being more expensive in the city than in Evanston, Barrington, Glencoe, etc. would surprise me.

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..to alleviate the real world issues that make doing it so prohibitive.

I call it "The GOP plan".

Yep, we’d kill to be in Rockridge. It’s unfortunately entered the SF pricing tier for the most part*

Posted by snipes824 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=snipes824' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 15:33:14, in reply to "When we moved to Seattle, our baseline for what we wanted in a neighborhood"

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Was Rockridge, which is an awesome area of Oakland/Berkeley adjacent.

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I’d be looking at Oakland, Berkeley, or maybe Albany. Trying to maintain as much urban feel as our money will allow.

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I loved the commute to the city less.

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It would be sunnier at least.

Plus, joking aside, I actually do like the east bay. I have a buddy in temescal who I’ve visited a bunch. It’s not SF, but it’s a good lifestyle out there too.

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It's all about the spending choices people make and what is sacrificed/gained.

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Housing + daycare in these places is just way too high for most people, and I think democrats should get on that cause again.

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I have no idea, but, using Chicago as an example, the cost of daycare being more expensive in the city than in Evanston, Barrington, Glencoe, etc. would surprise me.

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..to alleviate the real world issues that make doing it so prohibitive.

I call it "The GOP plan".

It's kind of funny to have moved to Seattle from the Bay Area

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 15:37:12, in reply to "Yep, we’d kill to be in Rockridge. It’s unfortunately entered the SF pricing tier for the most part*"

because we left SF because the cost of living just seemed untenable, and now we have gradually watched the Puget Sound area slowly both surely become the Bay Area, both in good and bad ways.

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Was Rockridge, which is an awesome area of Oakland/Berkeley adjacent.

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I’d be looking at Oakland, Berkeley, or maybe Albany. Trying to maintain as much urban feel as our money will allow.

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I loved the commute to the city less.

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It would be sunnier at least.

Plus, joking aside, I actually do like the east bay. I have a buddy in temescal who I’ve visited a bunch. It’s not SF, but it’s a good lifestyle out there too.

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It's all about the spending choices people make and what is sacrificed/gained.

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Housing + daycare in these places is just way too high for most people, and I think democrats should get on that cause again.

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I have no idea, but, using Chicago as an example, the cost of daycare being more expensive in the city than in Evanston, Barrington, Glencoe, etc. would surprise me.

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..to alleviate the real world issues that make doing it so prohibitive.

I call it "The GOP plan".

Yes, this is what I am saying. Also, you shouldn't be limited on how many kids you can have

by how much daycare costs. That is insane.

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..to alleviate the real world issues that make doing it so prohibitive.

I call it "The GOP plan".

Yeah there’s absolutely no chance we can have a second kid purely based on cost*

Posted by snipes824 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=snipes824' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 13:31:50, in reply to "Yes, this is what I am saying. Also, you shouldn't be limited on how many kids you can have"

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by how much daycare costs. That is insane.

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..to alleviate the real world issues that make doing it so prohibitive.

I call it "The GOP plan".

IMO, in the modern world, anyone who has more than 2 kids

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 14:04:21, in reply to "Yeah there’s absolutely no chance we can have a second kid purely based on cost*"

is a lunatic, purely on a cost of living perspective.

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by how much daycare costs. That is insane.

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..to alleviate the real world issues that make doing it so prohibitive.

I call it "The GOP plan".

And we need to change that*

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is a lunatic, purely on a cost of living perspective.

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by how much daycare costs. That is insane.

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..to alleviate the real world issues that make doing it so prohibitive.

I call it "The GOP plan".

I have conflicting thoughts on this topic

The world doesn't need more people. It's just a matter of how the people are spread out. A billion plus (and counting) people in India and China while Japan and Italy have negative population growth feels problematic.

Also, I refuse to accept the need to keep the population increasing merely to fund our ponzi scheme economic growth and social security system.

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is a lunatic, purely on a cost of living perspective.

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by how much daycare costs. That is insane.

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..to alleviate the real world issues that make doing it so prohibitive.

I call it "The GOP plan".

To put it more clearly, Dems have done almost nothing in these cities to promote families to

actually live there*

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by how much daycare costs. That is insane.

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..to alleviate the real world issues that make doing it so prohibitive.

I call it "The GOP plan".

Most new units being built in cities are studios and 1BR’s

Posted by snipes824 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=snipes824' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 13:36:00, in reply to "To put it more clearly, Dems have done almost nothing in these cities to promote families to "

A few 2BR’s, but they’re capping out at what, ~1,000 sq/ft or so? They used to build actual family sized units and now everything is streamlined squares to maximize space efficiency. No character, no 3rd bedrooms (and if there is a 3rd bedroom, the price is astronomical).

There are families who want to stay in the core cities, they’re just really not built for it (unless you’re rich).

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actually live there*

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by how much daycare costs. That is insane.

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..to alleviate the real world issues that make doing it so prohibitive.

I call it "The GOP plan".

*Ding* So look at all the "cities" gaining these families with youth that Ari shared

Posted by KingTalkyTiki <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=KingTalkyTiki' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 13:46:19, in reply to "Most new units being built in cities are studios and 1BR’s"

What do they all have in common?

- Car-centric
- Non-legacy
- Non-centralized sprawl
- Growth primarily in the last 30-40 years.

I'm sure what you're stating here in terms of housing stock has HUGE impact.

For example, our city condo has three rooms. Searched specifically for it because I was working from home a lot at the time and wanted an office. Come to find out 10+ years later, because of that third room, our condo is a rare bird and really desirable because of that. Vintage condos like this just don't exist in any numbers the city.

"You must own the honor of being the whitest, military vet, fat, multiple state property owner but most of all the one who hates their own country the most in our country."

Exactly. It’s a big problem. I wish there would be a broader mix of unit types in newer builds

Posted by snipes824 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=snipes824' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 13:52:22, in reply to "*Ding* So look at all the "cities" gaining these families with youth that Ari shared"

Including many more 2BR, and really 3BR, units being built. But there’s just not, making the ones that are incredibly high priced.

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What do they all have in common?

Car-centric, non-legacy, growth primarily in the last 30 years. I'm sure what you're stating here in terms of housing stock has HUGE impact.

For example, our city condo has three rooms. Searched specifically for it because I was working from home a lot at the time and wanted an office. Come to find out 10+ years later, because of that third room, our condo is a rare bird and really desirable because of that. Vintage condos like this just don't exist in any numbers the city.

correct. but the public schools / property taxes don't help either.*

Posted by Ari Gold <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Ari+Gold' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 12:57:11, in reply to "This drives me crazy (not referring specifically to you, Ari). But, the graph you showed is a huge "

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My kids have awesome schools

and they would only be worse in any Chicago suburb

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yeah the schools in Winnetka are crap*

Posted by Poldark <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Poldark' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 14:36:06, in reply to "My kids have awesome schools"

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and they would only be worse in any Chicago suburb

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Social Misfit who wants to coach Illinois women's basketball.

"you should never watch Illinois football again"

Reductio ad Absurdum from the town drunk

Or maybe drunken straw man argument. Unclear

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and they would only be worse in any Chicago suburb

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"they would be worse in ANY Chicago suburb"

who ya crappin?

Social Misfit who wants to coach Illinois women's basketball.

"you should never watch Illinois football again"

0o0o0

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/illinois

Now post yours

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who ya crappin?

Re: 0o0o0

Posted by Poldark <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Poldark' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 15:48:46, in reply to "0o0o0"

https://www.chicagoparent.com/education/best-middle-schools-cook-county/

Social Misfit who wants to coach Illinois women's basketball.

"you should never watch Illinois football again"

“Chicago Parent”

Posted by Chilango <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Chilango' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 20:56:23, in reply to "Re: 0o0o0"

This is perfect for you. Great sourcing

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https://www.chicagoparent.com/education/best-middle-schools-cook-county/

thanks, trump*

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 8:42:25, in reply to "record property tax increases slam chicago homeowners"

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"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

that's pretty much the politics thread?*

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oh, just following precedent. *

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 12:47:57, in reply to "that's pretty much the politics thread?*"

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"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

Maybe they should start properly reassessing taxes on new construction and renovated properties

Posted by deadpoolOG10 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=deadpoolOG10' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 8:41:51, in reply to "record property tax increases slam chicago homeowners"

Investigative journalism found $500MM in additional property taxes for 2023 alone.

https://illinoisanswers.org/2025/03/16/cook-county-assessor-fixes-property-tax-mistakes/

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Gotta make up for flagging revenue due to Trump’s economy somehow

Posted by ATL <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ATL' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 18, 2025, 17:28:13, in reply to "record property tax increases slam chicago homeowners"

“We are old and tired and just want to be taken care of.” - Republican voter, Dec. 2024.

if 2 out of 3 ain’t bad, then 3 out 4 has to be good?*

Posted by Ari Gold <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Ari+Gold' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 7:17:48, in reply to "Gotta make up for flagging revenue due to Trump’s economy somehow "

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I'm just waiting for a Republican president in my adult lifetime to leave the economy better than he

Posted by ATL <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ATL' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 8:21:49, in reply to "if 2 out of 3 ain’t bad, then 3 out 4 has to be good?*"

found it.

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“We are old and tired and just want to be taken care of.” - Republican voter, Dec. 2024.

This one won't be able to do it even with multiple tries.*

Posted by KingTalkyTiki <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=KingTalkyTiki' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 13:48:48, in reply to "I'm just waiting for a Republican president in my adult lifetime to leave the economy better than he"

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found it.

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"You must own the honor of being the whitest, military vet, fat, multiple state property owner but most of all the one who hates their own country the most in our country."

You should definitely move out of the city.

Posted by KingTalkyTiki <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=KingTalkyTiki' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 18, 2025, 16:45:06, in reply to "record property tax increases slam chicago homeowners"

Oh yeah...

"You must own the honor of being the whitest, military vet, fat, multiple state property owner but most of all the one who hates their own country the most in our country."

wisconsin's looking pretty good at this point!*

Posted by Ari Gold <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Ari+Gold' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 18, 2025, 16:50:27, in reply to "You should definitely move out of the city."

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Oh yeah...

Try paying property taxes in both places...

Posted by KingTalkyTiki <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=KingTalkyTiki' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 18, 2025, 16:56:09, in reply to "wisconsin's looking pretty good at this point!*"

...and managing to not be a whiny little bitch about it, even with no kids in either school district.

Who we kidding, some of y'all are whiny bitches about taxes and policies in places you don't even live. You could never...

See also: Osklister

"You must own the honor of being the whitest, military vet, fat, multiple state property owner but most of all the one who hates their own country the most in our country."

Twitchy trigger finger.*

Posted by KingTalkyTiki <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=KingTalkyTiki' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 18, 2025, 16:45:06, in reply to "record property tax increases slam chicago homeowners"

"You must own the honor of being the whitest, military vet, fat, multiple state property owner but most of all the one who hates their own country the most in our country."

Suck it, home owners*

Posted by timmer <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=timmer' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 18, 2025, 16:28:14, in reply to "record property tax increases slam chicago homeowners"

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(for rent)

like landlords aren't passing it off to renters*

Posted by torinese <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=torinese' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 19, 2025, 10:51:18, in reply to "Suck it, home owners*"

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Boomers getting off light if you ask me.*

Posted by Warrin'_Illini $<iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Warrin\'_Illini' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'>$ on November 18, 2025, 16:32:59, in reply to "Suck it, home owners*"

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Groyper/Groper

By dying off before the full ramifications of their 40 years of shitty stewarding kick in?

Posted by KingTalkyTiki <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=KingTalkyTiki' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 18, 2025, 16:50:22, in reply to "Boomers getting off light if you ask me.*"

100% agree.

"You must own the honor of being the whitest, military vet, fat, multiple state property owner but most of all the one who hates their own country the most in our country."

It will go down in the books that boomers fvcked up this country permanently*

Posted by timmer <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=timmer' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 18, 2025, 16:49:35, in reply to "Boomers getting off light if you ask me.*"

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(for rent)

100%*

Posted by KingTalkyTiki <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=KingTalkyTiki' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 18, 2025, 17:01:41, in reply to "It will go down in the books that boomers fvcked up this country permanently*"

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