The Deuce: I'm not agreeing with Clattenberg's thought process on staying invisible

TROSSARD!! (Kickball)* - VIV May 10, 2026, 12:16:08

Quite the roller coaster day for Chelsea fans - dk Yesterday, 15:09:31
Phrasing, people. - SurfTheBoneyard May 13, 2026, 16:34:25
Well City got three and could have had more… - SurfTheBoneyard May 13, 2026, 15:57:45
- Up the Clarets!* - Chicago1995 May 13, 2026, 16:12:19
Big time Pep Roulette today* - Sounder May 13, 2026, 14:32:12
- Foden finding his form.* - Chicago1995 May 13, 2026, 15:10:38
Anyone watch the first episode of the HBO USMNT docuseries last night? - Blazer May 13, 2026, 14:29:30
- I can’t do it. They’re all losers. * - assassin May 13, 2026, 14:35:47
McDonald's agrees to become new Chicago Fire stadium naming partner - assassin May 13, 2026, 14:11:23
- Lot of Grimaces here at McDonald’s Park…* - SurfTheBoneyard May 13, 2026, 14:14:00
  - Much like the ice cream machines, the side's defense has taken the night off * - assassin May 13, 2026, 14:15:08
Man City v Palace today - SurfTheBoneyard May 13, 2026, 12:39:23
- So much for that.* - SurfTheBoneyard May 13, 2026, 14:41:29
- FA Cup Final in 3 days. Haaland, Cherki and Doku on the bench.* - SurfTheBoneyard May 13, 2026, 13:13:41
TROGDOR!! (Burninating)* - Gene Parmesan May 12, 2026, 9:50:52
OPTA has it 81-19 West Ham after that. - SurfTheBoneyard May 11, 2026, 16:23:12
- Spurs lose to Chelsea, draw Everton. West Ham lose to NUFC, draw with Leeds - MC May 11, 2026, 16:31:53
- Eh? That surprises me. But sportsbooks show similar it looks like* - Carl Spackler May 11, 2026, 16:27:18
That’s a pen* - ATL May 11, 2026, 16:05:04
- you are misinformed.* - Poldark May 11, 2026, 16:06:01
MOAR VAR* - VIV May 11, 2026, 16:04:34
- Wanted it but think thats right * - ISeeDeadHawkeyes May 11, 2026, 16:05:04
  - i think the defender got a toe on it* - VIV May 11, 2026, 16:06:46
13!* - ATL May 11, 2026, 15:51:56
- WHOA* - VIV May 11, 2026, 15:59:34
  - that was an amazing save* - VIV May 11, 2026, 16:14:40
This is all Aston Villa’s fault. This is when Arsenal said fine we will play that - MC May 11, 2026, 15:17:59
- we were repeatedly told "Ramsdale needs to be stronger, there"* - VIV May 11, 2026, 15:21:44
Ritchie probably should have been booked there * - ATL May 11, 2026, 15:08:49
- really nice strike from Tel* - VIV May 11, 2026, 15:12:18
  - uhhh, i think that's a pen. * - VIV May 11, 2026, 15:31:03
    - oooo, we're gonna get another day of VAR talk* - VIV May 11, 2026, 15:35:15
      - You know…you leave the bar for 5 minutes to take a work call and it all goes to shit.* - ATL May 11, 2026, 15:45:25
        
        i feel like it was more "sticking your head in so it gets kicked" vs anything malicious* - VIV May 11, 2026, 15:53:16
        
        That's exactly what it was. You have to be able to follow through on your legitimate football moves - ATL May 12, 2026, 9:52:44
Rumor, Alonso is Chelsea is close * - MC May 11, 2026, 13:39:43
- what a snaking to liverpool that would be* - VIV May 11, 2026, 15:16:52
- also, The Special One to Madrid?* - VIV May 11, 2026, 14:27:20
  - To be a fly on that wall.... - Chicago1995 May 11, 2026, 14:39:59
    - exactly my thought* - VIV May 11, 2026, 14:45:09
      - there could be trouble in that dressing room at some future date* - Sammich May 11, 2026, 14:45:59
        
        Fede Valverde will tell you about trouble in that locker room, once his TBI clears.* - Chicago1995 May 11, 2026, 14:46:54
        
        I was trying to obliquely reference that, but I overdid the oblique* - Sammich May 11, 2026, 14:49:22
        
        I figured. - Chicago1995 May 11, 2026, 14:50:45
  - Wendy's* - Chicago1995 May 11, 2026, 14:39:56
- Wonder who will replace him in January.* - Chicago1995 May 11, 2026, 13:54:33
ooo - SurfTheBoneyard May 11, 2026, 7:28:40
100% a foul - dk May 10, 2026, 13:11:46
- No one has found any clip of an Arsenal player holding the GK arm though - MC May 11, 2026, 13:37:25
- there's a difference between being in the keeper's way, which is legal - VIV May 11, 2026, 8:29:42
  - Not referring to being in the keeper's way as players do have a right to stand their ground - dk May 11, 2026, 12:15:40
    - again, we've come to this referendum on needing overhaul on rules because of a *correct call*. * - VIV May 11, 2026, 13:06:16
      - By no means, do I think there is 100% clarity on this being a "correct call" - Sounder May 11, 2026, 13:08:31
        
        which one? - VIV May 11, 2026, 13:15:40
        
        The one with his arm across Raya's body - Sounder May 11, 2026, 13:18:22
        
        he literally reaches across raya's throat to grab raya's arm as he's going up to grab the ball - VIV May 11, 2026, 13:20:08
    - Fouls on set pieces should be called the same as fouls in open play. And fouls against the keeper - ATL May 11, 2026, 12:21:23
      - I'm not sure I agree with that statement - Sounder May 11, 2026, 12:32:00
        
        I didn't say what is, I said what it should be. And if you can find me a law of the game that says - ATL May 11, 2026, 12:34:17
        
        Have you ever been a referee before? - Sounder May 11, 2026, 12:38:58
        
        You think referees picking and choosing when to enforce the rules is making it not about them?* - ATL May 11, 2026, 12:42:20
        
        Sadly he is right and plenty of refs do see it that way - dk May 11, 2026, 12:46:50
        
        But that's not the same thing as what we're arguing. We're arguing about whether pulling someone - ATL May 11, 2026, 12:53:51
        
        I'm not agreeing with Clattenberg's thought process on staying invisible - dk May 11, 2026, 13:03:33
        
        I used to communicate a lot with the players when I was reffing - Sounder May 11, 2026, 13:06:28
        
        Agree that communication is very important - dk May 11, 2026, 13:19:59
        
        Also in the end any given ref can't change anything beyond themself - dk May 11, 2026, 13:31:57
        
        I refereed way too many games in high school and college - Sounder May 11, 2026, 12:50:01
        
        I'm saying that you have to establish a line and try to keep that line - Sounder May 11, 2026, 12:45:59
        
        The problem is players/teams realized you can't call a penalty on every set piece - dk May 11, 2026, 12:52:20
        
        This part is definitely true, and it they probably need to reset some boundaries - Sounder May 11, 2026, 12:55:05
        
        Next season, don’t stop play but have a VAR review after each set piece - DT May 11, 2026, 12:59:28
        
        I do think something has to give - Sounder May 11, 2026, 13:01:12
        
        The handball rule in UEFA competitions is totally ridiculous - UIHuskie May 11, 2026, 13:22:46
        
        having been on both ends of the benefit on the UEFA handball rule, it's completely dumb. - VIV May 11, 2026, 14:07:55
        
        UEFA handball rule sucks - Chicago1995 May 11, 2026, 14:26:27
        
        You mean you have to establish two lines. One for set pieces, and one for open play. - ATL May 11, 2026, 12:47:35
- The call was right. But it’s also not the way it’s been treated all year - Chicago1995 May 10, 2026, 13:59:46
  - the fallout from yesterday is pure fucking madness. as an example, - VIV May 11, 2026, 9:25:17
    - Thing is, they got that one right. And that means they got how many wrong? - Chicago1995 May 11, 2026, 12:35:59
      - way too much, "it's the right call, but...." - VIV May 11, 2026, 13:14:17
        
        It's a correct call. Which makes other calls that have benefitted Arsenal incorrect. - Chicago1995 May 11, 2026, 13:50:21
        
        "lucky break." come on. - VIV May 11, 2026, 14:01:30
        
        Being in the keeper's way? Nothing more to discuss here.* - Chicago1995 May 11, 2026, 14:08:10
        
        do you seriously not see the difference?* - VIV May 11, 2026, 14:09:22
        
        I do, but I don't think we're just talking about "getting in the keeper's way" - Chicago1995 May 11, 2026, 14:15:18
        
        i've said that there's one that should have probably been ruled out. - VIV May 11, 2026, 14:22:00
        
        The two most clear comps to this I've seen both ended up as goals - Chicago1995 May 11, 2026, 14:46:15
        
        Gabriel v. Emi was absolutely not a foul on Gabriel - VIV May 11, 2026, 14:59:03
        
        That's not clear and obvious to me. * - Chicago1995 May 11, 2026, 15:12:06
    - the "problem" with that play, IMO, is that there were seemingly 8 fouls happening at once - Sounder May 11, 2026, 12:17:09
      - Whichever is first, which I believe they determined to be the foul on Raya* - UIHuskie May 11, 2026, 12:24:42
        
        I think it was the right call - Sounder May 11, 2026, 12:31:12
        
        nm - VIV May 11, 2026, 13:07:35
        
        would you rather it take 30 seconds and be wrong or take 5 minutes and be right? - VIV May 11, 2026, 13:07:34
        
        The standard is "clear and obvious" not "absolutely always correct." - Chicago1995 May 11, 2026, 13:53:11
        
        i do believe this is clear and obvious. * - VIV May 11, 2026, 13:59:10
        
        Fair enough. Given the length of time the review took, it might not have been.* - Chicago1995 May 11, 2026, 14:01:11
        
        it was about 2 & 1/2 mins for VAR to look at all the different angles to send it to the ref - VIV May 11, 2026, 14:04:33
        
        Getting it right isn't the standard of review. It's is it a clear and obvious error. - Chicago1995 May 11, 2026, 14:14:25
        
        but the amount of time it took, in addition to it being complex, is also contextual - VIV May 11, 2026, 14:18:55
        
        Pretty fundamentally disagree on your first point. - Chicago1995 May 11, 2026, 14:39:17
        
        but my contention is that it was given more time *because* it was so consequential - VIV May 11, 2026, 15:02:02
        
        Agree to disagree again. - Chicago1995 May 11, 2026, 15:08:49
        
        I think that is a much larger discussion unrelated to this specific goal as it is an ongoing issue - dk May 11, 2026, 15:19:59
        
        Understood and agreed. - Chicago1995 May 11, 2026, 15:27:05
        
        if it's matchday 5 in the 21st minute between two mid table teams, - VIV May 11, 2026, 15:11:43
        
        I don't think that's the case, but if you are right, that's more reason to scrap VAR. - Chicago1995 May 11, 2026, 15:14:18
        
        agree to disagree. i think that's a ridiculous conclusion. * - VIV May 11, 2026, 15:15:46
        
        I think you're massivly oversimplifying the right and wrong component here. - Sounder May 11, 2026, 13:09:22
        
        are we talking about the same play? i'm confused. - VIV May 11, 2026, 13:18:02
- Exactly * - QcIlliniFan May 10, 2026, 13:24:53
Beat Burnley. * - Poldark May 10, 2026, 13:04:48
duplicate * - ATL May 10, 2026, 12:34:00
This isn't good for the old ticker, I must say.* - SurfTheBoneyard May 10, 2026, 12:33:57
Clear foul. The most ironic of fouls.* - ATL May 10, 2026, 12:33:53
Oww, my blood pressure. * - VIV May 10, 2026, 12:33:38
100% a foul on raya * - VIV May 10, 2026, 12:28:19
Have to give that foul * - ISeeDeadHawkeyes May 10, 2026, 12:28:13
- Raya can’t get up to get the ball. * - VIV May 10, 2026, 12:28:43
  - Yeah hes clearly impeded* - ISeeDeadHawkeyes May 10, 2026, 12:29:08

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