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would you rather it take 30 seconds and be wrong or take 5 minutes and be right?

Posted by VIV

on May 11, 2026, 13:07:34, in reply to "I think it was the right call"

especially when it could very well be the call that decides who wins the league.

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but I have major issues with the fact that it took so long to sort out, and that there is so much fuckery allowed on every corner kick. Arsenal is the worst in this regard. Rice had his hands completely around the waist of an offensive player.

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so which one do you call?

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"completely rethink how they use VAR or dump it"

BECAUSE THEY GOT THE CALL RIGHT.

Meanwhile on Saturday, City should have had a red on Silva AND two other penalties against them with none of it called and no one said shit.

It's insanity.

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The inconsistency is the problem. They need to either completely rethink how they use VAR or dump it.

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but it's too bad they didn't allow the goal so we could see Arsenal fans suddenly complaining about goalkeeper interference after not saying a word when they scored plenty of set piece goals interfering as much as possible with goalkeepers throughout the season.

"the alchemy of the tartar sauce and cheese with the fish combined with the buttery steamed bun is so good." - Sounder re: a Filet O Fish

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TROSSARD!! (Kickball)* - VIV May 10, 2026, 12:16:08

Quite the roller coaster day for Chelsea fans - dk Yesterday, 15:09:31
Phrasing, people. - SurfTheBoneyard May 13, 2026, 16:34:25
Well City got three and could have had more… - SurfTheBoneyard May 13, 2026, 15:57:45
- Up the Clarets!* - Chicago1995 May 13, 2026, 16:12:19
Big time Pep Roulette today* - Sounder May 13, 2026, 14:32:12
- Foden finding his form.* - Chicago1995 May 13, 2026, 15:10:38
Anyone watch the first episode of the HBO USMNT docuseries last night? - Blazer May 13, 2026, 14:29:30
- I can’t do it. They’re all losers. * - assassin May 13, 2026, 14:35:47
McDonald's agrees to become new Chicago Fire stadium naming partner - assassin May 13, 2026, 14:11:23
- Lot of Grimaces here at McDonald’s Park…* - SurfTheBoneyard May 13, 2026, 14:14:00
  - Much like the ice cream machines, the side's defense has taken the night off * - assassin May 13, 2026, 14:15:08
Man City v Palace today - SurfTheBoneyard May 13, 2026, 12:39:23
- So much for that.* - SurfTheBoneyard May 13, 2026, 14:41:29
- FA Cup Final in 3 days. Haaland, Cherki and Doku on the bench.* - SurfTheBoneyard May 13, 2026, 13:13:41
TROGDOR!! (Burninating)* - Gene Parmesan May 12, 2026, 9:50:52
OPTA has it 81-19 West Ham after that. - SurfTheBoneyard May 11, 2026, 16:23:12
- Spurs lose to Chelsea, draw Everton. West Ham lose to NUFC, draw with Leeds - MC May 11, 2026, 16:31:53
- Eh? That surprises me. But sportsbooks show similar it looks like* - Carl Spackler May 11, 2026, 16:27:18
That’s a pen* - ATL May 11, 2026, 16:05:04
- you are misinformed.* - Poldark May 11, 2026, 16:06:01
MOAR VAR* - VIV May 11, 2026, 16:04:34
- Wanted it but think thats right * - ISeeDeadHawkeyes May 11, 2026, 16:05:04
  - i think the defender got a toe on it* - VIV May 11, 2026, 16:06:46
13!* - ATL May 11, 2026, 15:51:56
- WHOA* - VIV May 11, 2026, 15:59:34
  - that was an amazing save* - VIV May 11, 2026, 16:14:40
This is all Aston Villa’s fault. This is when Arsenal said fine we will play that - MC May 11, 2026, 15:17:59
- we were repeatedly told "Ramsdale needs to be stronger, there"* - VIV May 11, 2026, 15:21:44
Ritchie probably should have been booked there * - ATL May 11, 2026, 15:08:49
- really nice strike from Tel* - VIV May 11, 2026, 15:12:18
  - uhhh, i think that's a pen. * - VIV May 11, 2026, 15:31:03
    - oooo, we're gonna get another day of VAR talk* - VIV May 11, 2026, 15:35:15
      - You know…you leave the bar for 5 minutes to take a work call and it all goes to shit.* - ATL May 11, 2026, 15:45:25
        
        i feel like it was more "sticking your head in so it gets kicked" vs anything malicious* - VIV May 11, 2026, 15:53:16
        
        That's exactly what it was. You have to be able to follow through on your legitimate football moves - ATL May 12, 2026, 9:52:44
Rumor, Alonso is Chelsea is close * - MC May 11, 2026, 13:39:43
- what a snaking to liverpool that would be* - VIV May 11, 2026, 15:16:52
- also, The Special One to Madrid?* - VIV May 11, 2026, 14:27:20
  - To be a fly on that wall.... - Chicago1995 May 11, 2026, 14:39:59
    - exactly my thought* - VIV May 11, 2026, 14:45:09
      - there could be trouble in that dressing room at some future date* - Sammich May 11, 2026, 14:45:59
        
        Fede Valverde will tell you about trouble in that locker room, once his TBI clears.* - Chicago1995 May 11, 2026, 14:46:54
        
        I was trying to obliquely reference that, but I overdid the oblique* - Sammich May 11, 2026, 14:49:22
        
        I figured. - Chicago1995 May 11, 2026, 14:50:45
  - Wendy's* - Chicago1995 May 11, 2026, 14:39:56
- Wonder who will replace him in January.* - Chicago1995 May 11, 2026, 13:54:33
ooo - SurfTheBoneyard May 11, 2026, 7:28:40
100% a foul - dk May 10, 2026, 13:11:46
- No one has found any clip of an Arsenal player holding the GK arm though - MC May 11, 2026, 13:37:25
- there's a difference between being in the keeper's way, which is legal - VIV May 11, 2026, 8:29:42
  - Not referring to being in the keeper's way as players do have a right to stand their ground - dk May 11, 2026, 12:15:40
    - again, we've come to this referendum on needing overhaul on rules because of a *correct call*. * - VIV May 11, 2026, 13:06:16
      - By no means, do I think there is 100% clarity on this being a "correct call" - Sounder May 11, 2026, 13:08:31
        
        which one? - VIV May 11, 2026, 13:15:40
        
        The one with his arm across Raya's body - Sounder May 11, 2026, 13:18:22
        
        he literally reaches across raya's throat to grab raya's arm as he's going up to grab the ball - VIV May 11, 2026, 13:20:08
    - Fouls on set pieces should be called the same as fouls in open play. And fouls against the keeper - ATL May 11, 2026, 12:21:23
      - I'm not sure I agree with that statement - Sounder May 11, 2026, 12:32:00
        
        I didn't say what is, I said what it should be. And if you can find me a law of the game that says - ATL May 11, 2026, 12:34:17
        
        Have you ever been a referee before? - Sounder May 11, 2026, 12:38:58
        
        You think referees picking and choosing when to enforce the rules is making it not about them?* - ATL May 11, 2026, 12:42:20
        
        Sadly he is right and plenty of refs do see it that way - dk May 11, 2026, 12:46:50
        
        But that's not the same thing as what we're arguing. We're arguing about whether pulling someone - ATL May 11, 2026, 12:53:51
        
        I'm not agreeing with Clattenberg's thought process on staying invisible - dk May 11, 2026, 13:03:33
        
        I used to communicate a lot with the players when I was reffing - Sounder May 11, 2026, 13:06:28
        
        Agree that communication is very important - dk May 11, 2026, 13:19:59
        
        Also in the end any given ref can't change anything beyond themself - dk May 11, 2026, 13:31:57
        
        I refereed way too many games in high school and college - Sounder May 11, 2026, 12:50:01
        
        I'm saying that you have to establish a line and try to keep that line - Sounder May 11, 2026, 12:45:59
        
        The problem is players/teams realized you can't call a penalty on every set piece - dk May 11, 2026, 12:52:20
        
        This part is definitely true, and it they probably need to reset some boundaries - Sounder May 11, 2026, 12:55:05
        
        Next season, don’t stop play but have a VAR review after each set piece - DT May 11, 2026, 12:59:28
        
        I do think something has to give - Sounder May 11, 2026, 13:01:12
        
        The handball rule in UEFA competitions is totally ridiculous - UIHuskie May 11, 2026, 13:22:46
        
        having been on both ends of the benefit on the UEFA handball rule, it's completely dumb. - VIV May 11, 2026, 14:07:55
        
        UEFA handball rule sucks - Chicago1995 May 11, 2026, 14:26:27
        
        You mean you have to establish two lines. One for set pieces, and one for open play. - ATL May 11, 2026, 12:47:35
- The call was right. But it’s also not the way it’s been treated all year - Chicago1995 May 10, 2026, 13:59:46
  - the fallout from yesterday is pure fucking madness. as an example, - VIV May 11, 2026, 9:25:17
    - Thing is, they got that one right. And that means they got how many wrong? - Chicago1995 May 11, 2026, 12:35:59
      - way too much, "it's the right call, but...." - VIV May 11, 2026, 13:14:17
        
        It's a correct call. Which makes other calls that have benefitted Arsenal incorrect. - Chicago1995 May 11, 2026, 13:50:21
        
        "lucky break." come on. - VIV May 11, 2026, 14:01:30
        
        Being in the keeper's way? Nothing more to discuss here.* - Chicago1995 May 11, 2026, 14:08:10
        
        do you seriously not see the difference?* - VIV May 11, 2026, 14:09:22
        
        I do, but I don't think we're just talking about "getting in the keeper's way" - Chicago1995 May 11, 2026, 14:15:18
        
        i've said that there's one that should have probably been ruled out. - VIV May 11, 2026, 14:22:00
        
        The two most clear comps to this I've seen both ended up as goals - Chicago1995 May 11, 2026, 14:46:15
        
        Gabriel v. Emi was absolutely not a foul on Gabriel - VIV May 11, 2026, 14:59:03
        
        That's not clear and obvious to me. * - Chicago1995 May 11, 2026, 15:12:06
    - the "problem" with that play, IMO, is that there were seemingly 8 fouls happening at once - Sounder May 11, 2026, 12:17:09
      - Whichever is first, which I believe they determined to be the foul on Raya* - UIHuskie May 11, 2026, 12:24:42
        
        I think it was the right call - Sounder May 11, 2026, 12:31:12
        
        nm - VIV May 11, 2026, 13:07:35
        
        would you rather it take 30 seconds and be wrong or take 5 minutes and be right? - VIV May 11, 2026, 13:07:34
        
        The standard is "clear and obvious" not "absolutely always correct." - Chicago1995 May 11, 2026, 13:53:11
        
        i do believe this is clear and obvious. * - VIV May 11, 2026, 13:59:10
        
        Fair enough. Given the length of time the review took, it might not have been.* - Chicago1995 May 11, 2026, 14:01:11
        
        it was about 2 & 1/2 mins for VAR to look at all the different angles to send it to the ref - VIV May 11, 2026, 14:04:33
        
        Getting it right isn't the standard of review. It's is it a clear and obvious error. - Chicago1995 May 11, 2026, 14:14:25
        
        but the amount of time it took, in addition to it being complex, is also contextual - VIV May 11, 2026, 14:18:55
        
        Pretty fundamentally disagree on your first point. - Chicago1995 May 11, 2026, 14:39:17
        
        but my contention is that it was given more time *because* it was so consequential - VIV May 11, 2026, 15:02:02
        
        Agree to disagree again. - Chicago1995 May 11, 2026, 15:08:49
        
        I think that is a much larger discussion unrelated to this specific goal as it is an ongoing issue - dk May 11, 2026, 15:19:59
        
        Understood and agreed. - Chicago1995 May 11, 2026, 15:27:05
        
        if it's matchday 5 in the 21st minute between two mid table teams, - VIV May 11, 2026, 15:11:43
        
        I don't think that's the case, but if you are right, that's more reason to scrap VAR. - Chicago1995 May 11, 2026, 15:14:18
        
        agree to disagree. i think that's a ridiculous conclusion. * - VIV May 11, 2026, 15:15:46
        
        I think you're massivly oversimplifying the right and wrong component here. - Sounder May 11, 2026, 13:09:22
        
        are we talking about the same play? i'm confused. - VIV May 11, 2026, 13:18:02
- Exactly * - QcIlliniFan May 10, 2026, 13:24:53
Beat Burnley. * - Poldark May 10, 2026, 13:04:48
duplicate * - ATL May 10, 2026, 12:34:00
This isn't good for the old ticker, I must say.* - SurfTheBoneyard May 10, 2026, 12:33:57
Clear foul. The most ironic of fouls.* - ATL May 10, 2026, 12:33:53
Oww, my blood pressure. * - VIV May 10, 2026, 12:33:38
100% a foul on raya * - VIV May 10, 2026, 12:28:19
Have to give that foul * - ISeeDeadHawkeyes May 10, 2026, 12:28:13
- Raya can’t get up to get the ball. * - VIV May 10, 2026, 12:28:43
  - Yeah hes clearly impeded* - ISeeDeadHawkeyes May 10, 2026, 12:29:08

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