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Same in Pennsylvania *
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Posted by ATL
on November 1, 2023, 5:28:53, in reply to "
They did. In August 2020.
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Previous Message
At least around here.
Previous Message
We knew by then that Covid wasn’t as bad for kids as RSV. Iowa, Florida, Texas went back and nothing bad happened. Still, liberal cities fought it.
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covid lockdowns were a giant failure
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Ari Gold
October 31, 2023, 19:51:16
Yeah, research seems to agree lockdowns were meh, but vaccines were an immense success*
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gvibes
November 3, 2023, 11:05:33
Just re-upped my chip yesterday*
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bbonb
November 3, 2023, 13:24:16
Random thoughts
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CoronaTheirAss
November 3, 2023, 10:17:02
Regarding 1, it was absolutely predictable and most (all?) viruses behave that way
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meanjeans
November 3, 2023, 10:39:01
Like HIV, Ebola, and Smallpox have? There are clearly examples of viruses becoming
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CoronaTheirAss
November 3, 2023, 10:49:46
I’m guessing it was specific to respiratory viruses *
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meanjeans
November 3, 2023, 11:18:14
But it mutated that way because it had to become easier to spread because initial mediation
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JacobRDaugherty
November 3, 2023, 10:41:46
I think “because” is too strong a word but I’ll stipulate that it probably helped it happen quicker*
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meanjeans
November 3, 2023, 11:23:02
why weren’t these kids exercising during the pandy? There are plenty of outdoor sports you can play
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bbonb
November 2, 2023, 14:23:30
Equestrian events, just like JB’s daughter*
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IlliniOllie
November 2, 2023, 17:01:19
In Palm Beach, where his wife and kids decamped to during Covid*
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bigbop85
November 3, 2023, 9:44:30
or their horse farm in Wisconsin
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IlliniOllie
November 3, 2023, 9:48:42
same guys who ripped out his toilets to lower his property taxes
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bigbop85
November 3, 2023, 9:49:50
Please keep running jagoffs like Vallas and Downstate Darren...
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KingTalkyTiki
November 3, 2023, 10:02:58
I enjoy you praising a trust fund billionaire who hides his money in the Bahamas
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bigbop85
November 3, 2023, 10:33:55
Darren Bailey.
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KingTalkyTiki
November 3, 2023, 11:03:49
Oh Darren Bailey is a moron, its the stanning you do here and on social media for Pritzker
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bigbop85
November 3, 2023, 11:09:04
How do you know what I'm doing on social media, creep?
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KingTalkyTiki
November 3, 2023, 11:16:58
Is Irvin back to being a Democrat again?*
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bjl63
November 3, 2023, 11:30:18
nm
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KingTalkyTiki
November 3, 2023, 11:28:31
So nothing on Pritzker?
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bigbop85
November 3, 2023, 11:21:04
Nope. No need. He's my governor. I support his policies on abortion access on down...
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KingTalkyTiki
November 3, 2023, 11:29:27
ah yes so it's the virtue signaling, carry on*
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bigbop85
November 3, 2023, 12:16:26
Whatever makes you feel better, my man...and you keep creepin' on.
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KingTalkyTiki
November 3, 2023, 13:00:08
I absolutely support a wealth tax. Do you?*
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JacobRDaugherty
November 3, 2023, 10:40:15
Define a wealth tax, I don't know what that means so I can't say yay or nay
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bigbop85
November 3, 2023, 10:44:22
Oh, that reminded me of my favorite quote of the week!
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KingTalkyTiki
November 3, 2023, 10:16:00
As a sidejack, it seems like the strongest anti-lockdown people here are from Chicago and SF
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DT
November 1, 2023, 17:40:05
But see, the problem is that the GOP wants this to be an us vs. them, good vs. evil libs issue.
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Desert
November 2, 2023, 11:25:32
Eh, libs absolutely cornered the market on “the way the other side is COVIDing is evil” *
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meanjeans
November 2, 2023, 13:33:19
I agree that there was a fair amount of liberal/prog folks who also lost the plot
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ATL
November 2, 2023, 13:51:17
There was a ton of “do what the science says!” opinionating.
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DT
November 2, 2023, 13:58:35
And a lot of public health advisement is designed/adapted for the lowest common denominator as well.
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ATL
November 2, 2023, 14:14:13
It's pretty simple, red governors and red city mayors in blue states got it right
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bigbop85
November 2, 2023, 11:28:01
test scores in already high scoring states dropped more than in states that could hardly get worse*
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memyselfandillini
November 2, 2023, 21:21:52
Based on the scores I saw, CA schools did better than FL*
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Quiz
November 2, 2023, 15:12:54
Now do Murphy and Wolf*
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ATL
November 2, 2023, 11:32:47
Murphy did well on schools, not so much on small businesses/restaurants*
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bigbop85
November 2, 2023, 11:36:13
This is a thread about schools *
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ATL
November 2, 2023, 11:40:52
Don’t forget Seattle*
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Sounder
November 2, 2023, 10:43:46
I can't believe you survived that hellscape during the pandemic *
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1 NEW
November 2, 2023, 10:51:56
I got called out many times on this place for going out and about. I believe I was the supreme
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harb
November 1, 2023, 17:44:40
I would have gone ape shit if our schools hadn't opened fall of 2020. Thank goodness we were in one
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gvibes
November 1, 2023, 23:06:05
same
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Gene Parmesan
November 2, 2023, 10:24:57
Yeah, remote learning with, at the time, 3, 3, 5, 7, 9 year olds is not very effective*
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gvibes
November 2, 2023, 10:39:41
They're talking about schools that were remote (only?) for more than half of 2021
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ATL
November 1, 2023, 9:09:06
Dots
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DT
November 1, 2023, 8:57:43
he looks so weird with the new hair*
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VIV
November 1, 2023, 10:05:29
I remember him from Top Gear*
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ATL
November 1, 2023, 9:12:02
Tell me about it*
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timmer
October 31, 2023, 21:39:00
As some of us said all along…*
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IlliniOllie
October 31, 2023, 21:20:11
I feel seen*
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Sounder
November 1, 2023, 2:47:56
I believe you said NO to any and all abatement. Fortunately, it killed some of you.*
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complainant
October 31, 2023, 21:46:33
I favored lockdowns in the spring of 2020
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GMAW
October 31, 2023, 21:44:55
The Monday Morning QBing on this thing is pretty ridiculous...
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uofi1998
November 1, 2023, 11:09:25
I mean, over 1 million people died in the US alone. Had we not done lockdowns...*
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PDO
November 1, 2023, 13:43:46
*With covid
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bigbop85
November 1, 2023, 14:25:35
where did all these extra dead people come from?
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VIV
November 1, 2023, 14:33:08
Oh I'm not discounting all of the deaths, just some*
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bigbop85
November 1, 2023, 14:51:59
go on*
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VIV
November 1, 2023, 14:52:56
did i ever get an answer to my question?*
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VIV
November 2, 2023, 10:55:38
some of the one million covid deaths were with covid and not from covid*
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bigbop85
November 2, 2023, 11:10:18
explain what you mean.*
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VIV
November 2, 2023, 11:11:53
Someone who dies of a heart attack, gun shot, falling down the stairs
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bigbop85
November 2, 2023, 11:16:22
do you understand the concept of "excess deaths"?
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VIV
November 2, 2023, 11:22:16
Sure, but the lockdowns also affected society in a variety of other ways
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bigbop85
November 2, 2023, 11:24:22
can you just speak directly?
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VIV
November 2, 2023, 11:25:37
have you read nothing on this?
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bigbop85
November 2, 2023, 11:33:21
i have. so you think that covers for what percentage of the million or so excess deaths?
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VIV
November 2, 2023, 11:39:00
I said some deaths, I’m not putting a percentage on it*
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bigbop85
November 2, 2023, 17:08:35
Pretty mealy mouthed on your “with”, then. *
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VIV
November 2, 2023, 20:04:17
Always the big words, with an inability to back it up with facts and numbers*
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PDO
November 3, 2023, 11:44:42
Is it because you're only at 0.6 percent so far with your leading examples?*
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RVA
November 2, 2023, 19:00:33
I too am waiting for an answer on this...*
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PDO
November 2, 2023, 14:29:41
Pedestrian deaths went up ~1,000 from 2019-2021
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RVA
November 2, 2023, 15:19:47
A lot of people are living with diabetes.
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complainant
November 1, 2023, 14:58:41
I would bet that a lot of these folks who are MMQBing and decrying how early we opened up
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IlliniRunner
November 1, 2023, 12:33:41
I bet many of the people who give a presumptive pass to lockdowns
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GMAW
November 2, 2023, 20:03:48
That’s how I feel about teachers too
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snipes824
November 1, 2023, 13:06:07
My wife is a teacher and she is absolutely gutted about what remote learning did to her
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GMAW
November 2, 2023, 20:02:16
My comment wasn’t covid specific
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snipes824
November 3, 2023, 9:56:16
Ok. My wife is a huge supporter of teachers and teachers’ unions
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GMAW
November 3, 2023, 10:15:40
I fully agree with that. It was an error how that all was handled
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snipes824
November 3, 2023, 10:34:20
Does she go to church?*
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complainant
November 2, 2023, 23:48:45
MrsHarb hated the remote stuff because many of her students had unreliable internet service and they
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harb
November 2, 2023, 21:14:23
my wife is and she 100% wanted to go back in the fall of 2020.*
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Ari Gold
November 2, 2023, 5:19:04
He was talking about shitting on teachers, in general.*
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uofi1998
November 2, 2023, 10:56:07
My comment has nothing to do with wanting to go back during covid
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snipes824
November 2, 2023, 10:55:02
hi! I will shit on the CTU all day, every day
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bigbop85
November 3, 2023, 9:43:35
"overpaid". On what fucking planet?
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uofi1998
November 2, 2023, 10:56:49
in illinois, this would refer to the tier 1 teachers who are making more retired
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Ari Gold
November 2, 2023, 20:55:25
Good. They've earned it.
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JFG
November 3, 2023, 10:05:37
I think it’s tied into the time off and “easy job” complaints
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snipes824
November 2, 2023, 11:01:58
Fuck that too.*
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uofi1998
November 2, 2023, 11:03:27
Agreed*
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snipes824
November 2, 2023, 11:05:08
100*
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uofi1998
November 1, 2023, 14:14:32
There's assuredly a lot of truth in this.*
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uofi1998
November 1, 2023, 12:58:35
And I fully admit my opinion on this is colored by having an immediate family member
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IlliniRunner
November 1, 2023, 13:14:43
100% agree with this
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snipes824
November 1, 2023, 11:19:31
Matthew Perry wasn’t old*
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bbonb
November 1, 2023, 14:08:32
He wasn't much of a swimmer, either.*
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Illiniphil
November 1, 2023, 14:27:46
When a significant percentage of people think one of the most renowned physicians on the planet...
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uofi1998
November 1, 2023, 13:00:13
the only thing i'm 100% sure about in all this is that we
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John Coctostan
November 1, 2023, 12:43:24
Not exactly. Polio and Swine Flu '76 were a big deal, for those who remember.
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complainant
November 1, 2023, 11:39:44
And it wasn’t just the unknown
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DT
November 1, 2023, 11:38:55
But even then...I feel like we knew the denominator was fairly off...buy like factorials...
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haighter
November 1, 2023, 12:08:21
it wasn’t only deadly for those people. mythmaking*
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memyselfandillini
November 1, 2023, 22:27:32
The thing is, if your hospitals are overrun with covid patients dying.
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IlliniRunner
November 1, 2023, 12:31:38
Maybe that was the case elsewhere...but ours never were...initially likely due to...
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haighter
November 1, 2023, 15:13:44
if it didn’t happen to you it didn’t happen right?*
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memyselfandillini
November 1, 2023, 22:28:32
That seems to be the sentiment among a lot of folks in this thread. *
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IlliniRunner
November 1, 2023, 23:29:03
However, having several months to a year-plus of kids' school and activities flushed down the toilet
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IlliniOllie
November 2, 2023, 10:34:38
"Who's gonna be the first to try it?" is a workable tactic among fraternity brothers.
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complainant
November 1, 2023, 12:20:36
That's the thing...the number of "first to try it" was 100s of times larger...
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haighter
November 1, 2023, 12:24:14
Some people enjoy the thrill of Russian Roulette. I'll concede that point.
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complainant
November 1, 2023, 12:53:03
Nit, it was only 1 in 100 for confirmed infections. Which is my point...
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haighter
November 1, 2023, 13:29:48
yes but if half the people you know got it….*
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memyselfandillini
November 1, 2023, 22:29:45
And what's a little organ failure among friends, amirite?*
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complainant
November 1, 2023, 13:47:28
ooh, the vague specter of "long Covid" is about to be invoked*
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IlliniOllie
November 1, 2023, 15:27:22
I can't remember whether this is sociopathy or psychopathy. Your solipsism/inability to sympathize
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complainant
November 1, 2023, 17:17:14
Since we're basically talking about your fictional examples now, sure. *
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haighter
November 1, 2023, 15:14:30
1., it was obvious very quickly that it wasn't anywhere close to 1/100 for working age adults
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IlliniOllie
November 1, 2023, 13:25:47
no it was not. I am sure you read that somewhere but you were lied to*
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memyselfandillini
November 1, 2023, 22:31:04
You got a link to that data, Ollie?*
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complainant
November 1, 2023, 13:45:37
any of the public databases of Covid deaths that were set up within weeks?
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IlliniOllie
November 1, 2023, 14:19:07
So you *could* provide a link is what you're saying.*
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complainant
November 1, 2023, 14:27:46
*rolls eyes* Here's Cook County's
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IlliniOllie
November 1, 2023, 15:19:21
I guess I'm not surprised that you think any of this info buttresses your argument.
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complainant
November 1, 2023, 18:53:30
lack of an actual counter-argument noted*
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IlliniOllie
November 1, 2023, 20:20:20
The problem, Dr. Einstein, is that you have yet to provide evidence to support your contention.
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complainant
November 1, 2023, 22:15:46
Yes, I’m not extracting only the 2020 data showing the vast majority of deaths being very old people
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IlliniOllie
November 2, 2023, 4:30:38
Oh, you just want me to accept your characterization of the data? Oh, okay, sure.*
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complainant
November 2, 2023, 10:05:35
I'm sure you could skip a Netflix show or two and look at the data*
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IlliniOllie
November 2, 2023, 10:25:05
So neither obvious nor very quick? Huh, I can't believe you lied about that.
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complainant
November 2, 2023, 10:40:26
I wanted kids in real school, not wasting time via the fraud of "remote learning" and missing months
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IlliniOllie
November 2, 2023, 10:52:57
i love the repeated "UNDER YOUR BED" line*
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VIV
November 2, 2023, 11:11:16
You genuinely don't understand how airborne respiratory viruses work.
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complainant
November 2, 2023, 11:07:40
Sure I do. I also understand how society works
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IlliniOllie
November 2, 2023, 11:28:58
And New York and Iran. Everyone who lived in New York in 2020 knew someone who
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JacobRDaugherty
November 1, 2023, 12:06:10
I'll go with the first 2 lines of your post...
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EffinIllini
November 1, 2023, 9:23:00
Agreed *
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ATL
November 1, 2023, 5:28:33
Agreed.
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VIV
October 31, 2023, 22:20:25
As someone who lost a parent in February of 2020 and didn't really feel like losing the other....
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KingTalkyTiki
November 1, 2023, 10:57:29
This. We didn't know at that time*
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UofIL6
October 31, 2023, 22:09:36
100% agreed. Lockdowns made sense when it was a novel virus
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CanHartlebHireSnider
October 31, 2023, 21:54:13
Schools should have reopened in September of 2020
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bigbop85
October 31, 2023, 22:07:35
They did. In August 2020.
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EffinIllini
November 1, 2023, 0:39:49
Correct, in cities and states with militant teacher unions they didn't go back*
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bigbop85
November 1, 2023, 8:19:23
Yea…I have a friend who’s a SFUSD teacher and he straight told me…
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haighter
November 1, 2023, 8:45:14
Putting aside the health/education issues - that's a terrible negotiating position to take
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ATL
November 1, 2023, 9:10:32
Never ceding ground to SFUSD seemed of the utmost importance to them. *
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haighter
November 1, 2023, 9:25:38
For sure, the kids aren't even in their top five concerns*
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bigbop85
November 1, 2023, 9:39:11
I agree, but its weird that you seem not to hold police unions to the same standard
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GMAW
November 1, 2023, 10:42:47
oh I think the police unions are beyond ridiculous
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bigbop85
November 1, 2023, 11:00:11
You mean like the cops at Parkland, Uvalde or in Maine?*
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ATL
November 1, 2023, 11:23:41
in 2023 america, teachers take bullets, too. *
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VIV
November 1, 2023, 11:02:19
not even remotely close, not remotely
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bigbop85
November 1, 2023, 11:27:40
it was hyperbolic, my man. *
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VIV
November 1, 2023, 11:32:28
And occupational fatality rates among police officers are lower than crossing guards
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ATL
November 1, 2023, 12:33:30
Also:
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IlliniRunner
November 1, 2023, 12:34:25
Same in Pennsylvania *
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ATL
November 1, 2023, 5:28:53
I would probably agree with this*
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CanHartlebHireSnider
October 31, 2023, 22:13:16
Can you think of anyone, other than children, who's regularly present in a school setting?*
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complainant
October 31, 2023, 22:29:42
Yes. The supposedly essential workers who got priority access to the vaccine
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GMAW
October 31, 2023, 22:39:21
Right. I’m not sure when the exact right time to reopen school
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CanHartlebHireSnider
October 31, 2023, 22:41:05
It was probably bad planning, then, for so many of you to naysay the efficacy of that vaccine.
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complainant
October 31, 2023, 23:00:21
WTF are you talking about?
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CanHartlebHireSnider
October 31, 2023, 23:14:47
You seem to be contradicting yourself, albeit ingenuously.
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complainant
October 31, 2023, 23:34:40
NIH set a goal of 70% for the onset of herd immunity.
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Illiniphil
November 1, 2023, 14:27:02
LOL. Imagine still thinking this in 2023*
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HamptonSki
November 1, 2023, 8:42:06
Especially when the date being discussed is specified as September 2020.*
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complainant
November 1, 2023, 10:39:42
LOL, even 100.0% vaccination wouldn't have forestalled community spread
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IlliniOllie
November 1, 2023, 6:49:46
Did you divulge your soothsaying abilities to the Trump Administration?
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complainant
November 1, 2023, 10:58:37
Holy shit, man*
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illini21
November 1, 2023, 6:43:12
Lulz we got a vaccine will stop the spread guy
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bigbop85
November 1, 2023, 6:17:01
My opinions aren't relevant to teachers union activities of 2020-21
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complainant
November 1, 2023, 10:47:43
Pretty sure we got 70-80% of adults vaxxed. That’s pretty good
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CubsWonWorldSeries
November 1, 2023, 1:36:27
Are you playing horseshoes or hand grenades?
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complainant
November 1, 2023, 2:18:56
We hit herd immunity summer of 2022
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CubsWonWorldSeries
November 1, 2023, 4:32:50
Because people who have had COVID never get it a second time?
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complainant
November 1, 2023, 10:43:44
You’re responding to two of the world’s biggest proponents of the vaccine
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GMAW
October 31, 2023, 23:06:22
Once it was ok to protest/riot in May 2020, it was ok to reopen schools*
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IlliniOllie
October 31, 2023, 21:57:00
This makes sense, because you do share the same level of recklessness, anarchy & intelligence
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complainant
October 31, 2023, 22:32:25
My views on school closures are independent of the hypocrisy of those who most
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GMAW
October 31, 2023, 22:07:15
Well I would say that outdoor events were probably much more acceptable than led to believe
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CanHartlebHireSnider
October 31, 2023, 22:06:28
WTF was going on in Illinois? There was very little restriction on outdoor activities in PA
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ATL
November 1, 2023, 6:24:48
It's way, way more liberal?*
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bigbop85
November 1, 2023, 8:30:37
I have no issue erring on the side of caution until the data is known*
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UofIL6
October 31, 2023, 22:11:10
May of 2023?*
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Poldark
November 1, 2023, 9:16:31
I believe it saved many thousands of lives, but the negative effects continue on*
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RSMBob
October 31, 2023, 20:58:44
I don't think we'll ever know how many lives the lockdown cost in terms of depression, reduced
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illinibone
November 1, 2023, 12:00:21
As outspoken as I was against masks, even I can see the obvious benefit of lockdowns
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meanjeans
October 31, 2023, 21:14:12
You numbskulls still haven't figured out that people other than kids are in schools.
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complainant
October 31, 2023, 21:45:06
Yes, working age adults - the vast majority of whom are *also* at vanishingly small risk
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IlliniOllie
November 1, 2023, 6:52:42
Dots….
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harb
October 31, 2023, 20:31:18
not everyone had easy access to Tractor Supply Company
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RVA
October 31, 2023, 21:47:50
this is the stupidest shit.
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memyselfandillini
October 31, 2023, 20:44:29
this is the stupidest shit.
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memyselfandillini
October 31, 2023, 20:44:29
You guys have your own board/reality. Why here?
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complainant
October 31, 2023, 20:18:12
LOLOLOLOLOL*
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IlliniOllie
October 31, 2023, 21:30:20
You don’t think like he does so you shouldn’t post here. It’s a reoccurring theme. *
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harb
October 31, 2023, 21:32:08
"recurring"*
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complainant
October 31, 2023, 21:47:24
Probably. iPad loves to correct and not in context. *
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harb
October 31, 2023, 21:54:40
Lockdowns, mandates, and especially school closures were always idiotic
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IlliniOllie
October 31, 2023, 21:42:56
Yeah. No.*
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Stu
November 2, 2023, 14:34:15
Gross oversimplification of a fan fictionalization of reality *
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VIV
October 31, 2023, 22:29:52
I appreciate liberals like Scott Galloway asking for forgiveness
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bigbop85
October 31, 2023, 22:14:03
Scott Galloway is *distinctly* center-right.
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complainant
October 31, 2023, 22:49:43
lol no
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bigbop85
November 1, 2023, 8:10:08
the guy who was pro Bloomberg for president is a "huge lefty"?
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VIV
November 1, 2023, 10:09:54
Guy who wanted the government to regulate soda sizes? Yes, huge lefty*
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bigbop85
November 1, 2023, 14:27:23
LOLOLOLOLOLOL. you're the best.
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VIV
November 2, 2023, 11:41:20
That might be the dumbest thing you've said yet.
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complainant
October 31, 2023, 21:52:42
I learned that hiding under the bed didn’t accomplish anything when I was little
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IlliniOllie
October 31, 2023, 21:56:01
As someone who lived in New York City in 2020, you are a fucking moron
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JacobRDaugherty
October 31, 2023, 22:06:21
How many of those double-digit people were over the age of 80?
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IlliniOllie
November 1, 2023, 10:20:29
I'm sorry you had to see a sticker on the floor
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RVA
October 31, 2023, 22:02:25
I interpreted it as a hysterical, gross overreaction with far-reaching consequences that were worse
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IlliniOllie
October 31, 2023, 22:15:58
Are you one of those people who, when someone shrunk back from you coughing on them
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RVA
October 31, 2023, 22:23:27
No, just someone who correctly recognized from the beginning that the negative effects of school
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IlliniOllie
November 1, 2023, 6:48:22
delicious.*
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Ari Gold
October 31, 2023, 20:21:30
Recommend Reason Interview podcast on Sweden from September
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Potomac
October 31, 2023, 20:02:35
that’s in here as well.*
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Ari Gold
October 31, 2023, 20:11:10
It’s pretty wild to look back on now
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illini21
October 31, 2023, 19:54:24
Send your kids to these awful teacher unions at your own risk*
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bigbop85
October 31, 2023, 20:02:16
Go Fuck Yourself Richie Rich*
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memyselfandillini
October 31, 2023, 20:45:58
This may shock you but not everyone can afford private school*
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OB25
October 31, 2023, 20:38:36
Yep, and for those kids who need scholarships the CTU is trying to take them away
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bigbop85
October 31, 2023, 21:01:19
all the more reason to not shut down the public ones.*
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Ari Gold
October 31, 2023, 20:48:43
Honestly the best part was that red states and Catholic schools in blue cities went back a semester
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bigbop85
October 31, 2023, 21:04:09
Monsters are the catholic church. Pretend they're Palestinian and burn it down
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opey8
October 31, 2023, 21:55:35
Because the catholic church is historically famous for protecting children*
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opey8
October 31, 2023, 20:06:36
But hey…we successfully destroyed our local economy. *
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haighter
October 31, 2023, 19:58:24
and don’t forget about transitory inflation!*
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Ari Gold
October 31, 2023, 20:11:47
Covid was sent by god to cull the herd*
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JeffFrank
October 31, 2023, 20:09:10
Unfortunately it took men, too, amirite!? *
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Tuscy
October 31, 2023, 21:18:47
RIP John Prine*
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JeffFrank
October 31, 2023, 21:33:36
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