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Posted by CoronaTheirAss on November 3, 2023, 10:17:02, in reply to "covid lockdowns were a giant failure"
1. The evolution of covid to a much milder but more contagious strain was not predictable and made a huge difference in spread and deaths. So MMQBing about the decisions made before the evolution happened and could be studied will of course make lockdowns look worse and vaccination pushes look silly. 2. If we didn't have lockdowns, probably 2.5 million people would have died in the USA if the original covid spread throughout the entire population, overran hospitals, and initial decisions were made before doctors knew the basics of how to treat it. 3. There were a lot of mistakes made about lockdowns that people criticized and got right at the time. Obviously school closures lasting past the summer of 2020 when the data showed that school kids were safe and much less likely to spread is one of them. Previous Message https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/covid-lockdowns-big-fail-joe-nocera-bethany-mclean-book-excerpt.html “By 2022, journalists, academics, and even some public-health officials were finally coming to grips with the enormous damage done to children — especially disadvantaged children — because of remote learning. A lengthy analysis by two professors in The Atlantic toted up some of the issues. First, millions of kids simply gave up on learning. In New York, even after schools had reopened, the chronic absentee rate was 40 percent — up from 26 percent before the pandemic. Studies showed that public-school children got less exercise (no recess) and ate more junk food (no free hot meals) during the pandemic. According to a CDC survey, during the first six months of 2021, nearly half the high-school students surveyed “felt persistently sad or helpless.” Parental emotional abuse was four times higher than in 2013, and parental physical abuse nearly doubled, The Atlantic reported. A study by three major research institutions, including Harvard’s Center for Education Policy Research, showed that the longer a school relied on remote learning, the further behind their students were. “In high-poverty schools that were remote for more than half of 2021, the loss was about half of a school year’s worth of typical achievement growth,” said Thomas Kane, the director of the Harvard center.” especially for kids. imagine that.
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- covid lockdowns were a giant failure - Ari Gold October 31, 2023, 19:51:16
- Yeah, research seems to agree lockdowns were meh, but vaccines were an immense success* - gvibes November 3, 2023, 11:05:33
- Random thoughts - CoronaTheirAss November 3, 2023, 10:17:02
- why weren’t these kids exercising during the pandy? There are plenty of outdoor sports you can play - bbonb November 2, 2023, 14:23:30
- As a sidejack, it seems like the strongest anti-lockdown people here are from Chicago and SF - DT November 1, 2023, 17:40:05
- They're talking about schools that were remote (only?) for more than half of 2021 - ATL November 1, 2023, 9:09:06
- Dots - DT November 1, 2023, 8:57:43
- Tell me about it* - timmer October 31, 2023, 21:39:00
- As some of us said all along…* - IlliniOllie October 31, 2023, 21:20:11
- I feel seen* - Sounder November 1, 2023, 2:47:56
- I believe you said NO to any and all abatement. Fortunately, it killed some of you.* - complainant October 31, 2023, 21:46:33
- I favored lockdowns in the spring of 2020 - GMAW October 31, 2023, 21:44:55
- The Monday Morning QBing on this thing is pretty ridiculous... - uofi1998 November 1, 2023, 11:09:25
- I mean, over 1 million people died in the US alone. Had we not done lockdowns...* - PDO November 1, 2023, 13:43:46
- I would bet that a lot of these folks who are MMQBing and decrying how early we opened up - IlliniRunner November 1, 2023, 12:33:41
- 100% agree with this - snipes824 November 1, 2023, 11:19:31
- Matthew Perry wasn’t old* - bbonb November 1, 2023, 14:08:32
- When a significant percentage of people think one of the most renowned physicians on the planet... - uofi1998 November 1, 2023, 13:00:13
- the only thing i'm 100% sure about in all this is that we - John Coctostan November 1, 2023, 12:43:24
- Not exactly. Polio and Swine Flu '76 were a big deal, for those who remember. - complainant November 1, 2023, 11:39:44
- And it wasn’t just the unknown - DT November 1, 2023, 11:38:55
- I'll go with the first 2 lines of your post... - EffinIllini November 1, 2023, 9:23:00
- Agreed * - ATL November 1, 2023, 5:28:33
- Agreed. - VIV October 31, 2023, 22:20:25
- This. We didn't know at that time* - UofIL6 October 31, 2023, 22:09:36
- 100% agreed. Lockdowns made sense when it was a novel virus - CanHartlebHireSnider October 31, 2023, 21:54:13
- Schools should have reopened in September of 2020 - bigbop85 October 31, 2023, 22:07:35
- They did. In August 2020. - EffinIllini November 1, 2023, 0:39:49
- I would probably agree with this* - CanHartlebHireSnider October 31, 2023, 22:13:16
- Can you think of anyone, other than children, who's regularly present in a school setting?* - complainant October 31, 2023, 22:29:42
- Yes. The supposedly essential workers who got priority access to the vaccine - GMAW October 31, 2023, 22:39:21
- Right. I’m not sure when the exact right time to reopen school - CanHartlebHireSnider October 31, 2023, 22:41:05
- It was probably bad planning, then, for so many of you to naysay the efficacy of that vaccine. - complainant October 31, 2023, 23:00:21
- WTF are you talking about? - CanHartlebHireSnider October 31, 2023, 23:14:47
- You seem to be contradicting yourself, albeit ingenuously. - complainant October 31, 2023, 23:34:40
- NIH set a goal of 70% for the onset of herd immunity. - Illiniphil November 1, 2023, 14:27:02
- LOL. Imagine still thinking this in 2023* - HamptonSki November 1, 2023, 8:42:06
- LOL, even 100.0% vaccination wouldn't have forestalled community spread - IlliniOllie November 1, 2023, 6:49:46
- Holy shit, man* - illini21 November 1, 2023, 6:43:12
- Lulz we got a vaccine will stop the spread guy - bigbop85 November 1, 2023, 6:17:01
- Pretty sure we got 70-80% of adults vaxxed. That’s pretty good - CubsWonWorldSeries November 1, 2023, 1:36:27
- You’re responding to two of the world’s biggest proponents of the vaccine - GMAW October 31, 2023, 23:06:22
- Once it was ok to protest/riot in May 2020, it was ok to reopen schools* - IlliniOllie October 31, 2023, 21:57:00
- I believe it saved many thousands of lives, but the negative effects continue on* - RSMBob October 31, 2023, 20:58:44
- Dots…. - harb October 31, 2023, 20:31:18
- You guys have your own board/reality. Why here? - complainant October 31, 2023, 20:18:12
- Recommend Reason Interview podcast on Sweden from September - Potomac October 31, 2023, 20:02:35
- It’s pretty wild to look back on now - illini21 October 31, 2023, 19:54:24
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