I fully agree with that. It was an error how that all was handled Archived Message
Posted by snipes824 on November 3, 2023, 10:34:20, in reply to "Ok. My wife is a huge supporter of teachers and teachers’ unions"
I just view covid as such a unique event that I generally don’t throw a ton of hugely negative judgement around. That was a crazy episode. Unprecedented in our time. No one knew what to do. Public policy around it was so hard. And we didn’t quite yet have the data on remote learning because all data lags. Yes, we probably had an idea before some decided to go back, but it was hard. In hindsight, and yes for any next time, teachers should definitely be deemed more “essential” and be out there in the schools doing their job. Because they are that essential. I just think piling on teachers for covid given all the hate they get normally is wrong and counterproductive. And the field is suffering for it. And that will only worsen the future outcomes of our future kids when teachers quit, or don’t go into the field, etc. Previous Message And I agree with your larger point. But she thinks that many teachers and certainly most teachers’ unions were very, very wrong on COVID. Not only were they wrong - they missed a real opportunity. Teachers have been fighting the Right for years on just how essential they are to our country. But at a time when we literally carved our workers into “essential” and “non-essential,” they hid behind computer screens and checked the “non-essential” box. Previous Message All of the teachers I know also know how bad remote learning was for the kids. That doesn’t change the fact that there are a lot of people who shit on public school teachers. They did so well before the pandemic and they’ll do so long after the pandemic. Does your wife, generally speaking, feel like her and her colleagues care about their students? Do they work after hours to make sure things are set up? Do they complete a lot of trainings in their free time to keep up with requirements? Do they buy supplies their kids would enjoy with their own money? Do they pay for field trips that their poorest kids can’t afford so they’re not left out? These are all things all the teachers I know do, and I’m willing to bet your wife and her colleagues are the same. Like any rule, there will of course be outliers. Previous Message special Ed students, and that many in her profession used disingenuous/irrational concerns about COVID to prevent in-person schooling. Terrible assumption Previous Message The only people who shit on teachers are the ones who don’t know many. Previous Message have no one in their lives who works in a hospital. Previous Message ...of course when things were unknown, humankind needed to protect itself. Of course. Of course once it was figured out who was and wasn't affected, we needed to push back to normal as quickly as possible. Of course. The long term effects will be ongoing for years. We will never turn back a fair number of young people who lost formative social years. We will never turn back housing prices. We will never turn back auto prices. Eventually we are in for a world of hurt. But early on nobody knew anything.
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- covid lockdowns were a giant failure - Ari Gold October 31, 2023, 19:51:16
- Yeah, research seems to agree lockdowns were meh, but vaccines were an immense success* - gvibes November 3, 2023, 11:05:33
- Random thoughts - CoronaTheirAss November 3, 2023, 10:17:02
- why weren’t these kids exercising during the pandy? There are plenty of outdoor sports you can play - bbonb November 2, 2023, 14:23:30
- As a sidejack, it seems like the strongest anti-lockdown people here are from Chicago and SF - DT November 1, 2023, 17:40:05
- They're talking about schools that were remote (only?) for more than half of 2021 - ATL November 1, 2023, 9:09:06
- Dots - DT November 1, 2023, 8:57:43
- Tell me about it* - timmer October 31, 2023, 21:39:00
- As some of us said all along…* - IlliniOllie October 31, 2023, 21:20:11
- I feel seen* - Sounder November 1, 2023, 2:47:56
- I believe you said NO to any and all abatement. Fortunately, it killed some of you.* - complainant October 31, 2023, 21:46:33
- I favored lockdowns in the spring of 2020 - GMAW October 31, 2023, 21:44:55
- The Monday Morning QBing on this thing is pretty ridiculous... - uofi1998 November 1, 2023, 11:09:25
- I mean, over 1 million people died in the US alone. Had we not done lockdowns...* - PDO November 1, 2023, 13:43:46
- I would bet that a lot of these folks who are MMQBing and decrying how early we opened up - IlliniRunner November 1, 2023, 12:33:41
- 100% agree with this - snipes824 November 1, 2023, 11:19:31
- Matthew Perry wasn’t old* - bbonb November 1, 2023, 14:08:32
- When a significant percentage of people think one of the most renowned physicians on the planet... - uofi1998 November 1, 2023, 13:00:13
- the only thing i'm 100% sure about in all this is that we - John Coctostan November 1, 2023, 12:43:24
- Not exactly. Polio and Swine Flu '76 were a big deal, for those who remember. - complainant November 1, 2023, 11:39:44
- And it wasn’t just the unknown - DT November 1, 2023, 11:38:55
- I'll go with the first 2 lines of your post... - EffinIllini November 1, 2023, 9:23:00
- Agreed * - ATL November 1, 2023, 5:28:33
- Agreed. - VIV October 31, 2023, 22:20:25
- This. We didn't know at that time* - UofIL6 October 31, 2023, 22:09:36
- 100% agreed. Lockdowns made sense when it was a novel virus - CanHartlebHireSnider October 31, 2023, 21:54:13
- Schools should have reopened in September of 2020 - bigbop85 October 31, 2023, 22:07:35
- They did. In August 2020. - EffinIllini November 1, 2023, 0:39:49
- I would probably agree with this* - CanHartlebHireSnider October 31, 2023, 22:13:16
- Can you think of anyone, other than children, who's regularly present in a school setting?* - complainant October 31, 2023, 22:29:42
- Yes. The supposedly essential workers who got priority access to the vaccine - GMAW October 31, 2023, 22:39:21
- Right. I’m not sure when the exact right time to reopen school - CanHartlebHireSnider October 31, 2023, 22:41:05
- It was probably bad planning, then, for so many of you to naysay the efficacy of that vaccine. - complainant October 31, 2023, 23:00:21
- WTF are you talking about? - CanHartlebHireSnider October 31, 2023, 23:14:47
- You seem to be contradicting yourself, albeit ingenuously. - complainant October 31, 2023, 23:34:40
- NIH set a goal of 70% for the onset of herd immunity. - Illiniphil November 1, 2023, 14:27:02
- LOL. Imagine still thinking this in 2023* - HamptonSki November 1, 2023, 8:42:06
- LOL, even 100.0% vaccination wouldn't have forestalled community spread - IlliniOllie November 1, 2023, 6:49:46
- Holy shit, man* - illini21 November 1, 2023, 6:43:12
- Lulz we got a vaccine will stop the spread guy - bigbop85 November 1, 2023, 6:17:01
- Pretty sure we got 70-80% of adults vaxxed. That’s pretty good - CubsWonWorldSeries November 1, 2023, 1:36:27
- You’re responding to two of the world’s biggest proponents of the vaccine - GMAW October 31, 2023, 23:06:22
- Once it was ok to protest/riot in May 2020, it was ok to reopen schools* - IlliniOllie October 31, 2023, 21:57:00
- I believe it saved many thousands of lives, but the negative effects continue on* - RSMBob October 31, 2023, 20:58:44
- Dots…. - harb October 31, 2023, 20:31:18
- You guys have your own board/reality. Why here? - complainant October 31, 2023, 20:18:12
- Recommend Reason Interview podcast on Sweden from September - Potomac October 31, 2023, 20:02:35
- It’s pretty wild to look back on now - illini21 October 31, 2023, 19:54:24
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