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it’s a perfectly crafted poll*
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Posted by bbonb
on February 23, 2024, 12:42:05, in reply to "
Amazingly even spread in the answers*
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How many shits do you give about the border?
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Stu
February 23, 2024, 6:58:18
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So what is the actual, good faith argument, against expanding legal immigration?
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Blazer
February 23, 2024, 15:57:44
Are you saying the US doesn’t have robust legal immigration?
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bigbop85
February 24, 2024, 9:39:37
The smartest people in the world all want to move here. We should embrace more with open arms*
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gvibes
February 24, 2024, 11:58:06
1 billion Americans!*
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ECEIllinois
February 24, 2024, 21:03:18
We literally embrace more than any other country in the world*
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bigbop85
February 24, 2024, 15:04:48
Exactly this
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opey8
February 24, 2024, 12:15:19
That is exactly what we are saying*
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JacobRDaugherty
February 24, 2024, 9:41:23
Lol ok*
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bigbop85
February 24, 2024, 15:03:10
Just need to tell boomers that more people paying FICA props up their soc security and medicare
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meanjeans
February 24, 2024, 8:59:30
They'll just expect the government to print money for them vs making policy changes
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ghost_of_clt
February 24, 2024, 9:32:56
I am certainly no expert, but I think the economic impact really depends on education/skill
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DT
February 23, 2024, 16:44:52
I manage restaurants. Still waiting for that white guy to come in and apply to take out the trash
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JacobRDaugherty
February 24, 2024, 7:28:19
That’s actually evidence in support of the idea that immigration depresses low end wages
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DT
February 24, 2024, 9:52:44
This, right here *
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illini thunder
February 24, 2024, 8:40:44
But we’re making it impossible almost for college grad immigrants too
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John Coctostan
February 23, 2024, 17:05:57
I've been told in this thread policy of questionable morality that's economically justifiable is ok*
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opey8
February 23, 2024, 17:00:55
I'm fine with expanding legal immigration...especially making...
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haighter
February 23, 2024, 16:26:48
To be clear, illegal immigration violations are already pretty severe. The issue is enforcement
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ATL
February 24, 2024, 9:28:02
This pretty much what I want*
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Tooldresser
February 24, 2024, 9:01:10
I’m on board with this. *
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harb
February 24, 2024, 9:22:01
I might be wrong on this, but I think people are conflating “illegal immigration” and “asylum”
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snipes824
February 23, 2024, 16:37:43
If those "asylum seekers" that are released into the US pending their asylum hearing...
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haighter
February 23, 2024, 16:46:09
NPR just reported on immigrants in Denver
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opey8
February 23, 2024, 16:58:46
Yup...that doesn't seem like a system that's working...
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haighter
February 23, 2024, 17:03:25
You see… there was this bill that was negotiated for months… *
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illini thunder
February 23, 2024, 23:43:07
Well aware. The GOP isn’t going to get a better bill in the next congress. *
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haighter
February 23, 2024, 23:50:17
They don't want a "better bill". They don't want anything
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opey8
February 24, 2024, 9:00:58
I don’t think so. They want full control of all 3 branches to pass legislation they want and won’t
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illini thunder
February 24, 2024, 11:24:17
The bipartisan bill hires hundreds of judges to hear these cases and clear them in 3 months
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snipes824
February 23, 2024, 17:08:19
Yes I think that’s correct*
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snipes824
February 23, 2024, 16:50:05
Im not sure what you mean on the flip side piece
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DT
February 23, 2024, 16:33:03
It should all be on the table...
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haighter
February 23, 2024, 16:44:24
David Frum has made an argument that we are at a relatively high level of non-US born residents
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ATL
February 23, 2024, 16:13:08
You lost me at David Frum
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Blazer
February 23, 2024, 16:31:09
I wish as much legislation as campaign attention was given to it.
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AintHatin
February 23, 2024, 14:21:59
there is literally a bill that would pass the senate and the house and Biden supports
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ATL
February 23, 2024, 15:09:52
You can't expect bills to be passed in an election year under the current climate.*
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gullit
February 23, 2024, 15:50:22
LOL*
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ATL
February 23, 2024, 16:13:20
Then it is not an emergency*
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snipes824
February 23, 2024, 16:09:16
It's an emergency to create an election issue for a bad candidate and fundamentally immoral person
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opey8
February 23, 2024, 16:54:56
Surely you remember the widespread halt to new military spending in 1940 and 1944
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DT
February 23, 2024, 16:47:59
Everybody wants to do it. You can't expect it to get done.
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ATL
February 23, 2024, 16:13:58
Congrats on creating one of the most evenly distributed polls ever seen on here.*
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Philo
February 23, 2024, 13:10:09
Gallup poll out on Biden, border, economy, immigration
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bigbop85
February 23, 2024, 13:09:29
Are you going to vote for trump or biden?*
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Toonces
February 23, 2024, 13:46:38
well, to date I've only ever voted for Biden*
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bigbop85
February 23, 2024, 14:04:49
So this time…in 2024…are you voting for either of them? *
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haighter
February 23, 2024, 14:19:37
You’d think this would be an easy call for the boards most strident political poster.
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Toonces
February 24, 2024, 7:40:55
100% lying. No fvcking way he voted for Biden*
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WhitmansFolly
February 24, 2024, 7:46:43
TBD*
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bigbop85
February 23, 2024, 15:17:42
Would you prefer Newsom?*
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JeffFrank
February 23, 2024, 15:42:32
As a side note, while it’s obviously a huge, difficult problem
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DT
February 23, 2024, 12:19:46
This is true but many hardline immigration types oppose foreign aid as well*
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CanHartlebHireSnider
February 23, 2024, 12:40:48
The US could also reduce demand for illicit drugs by not consuming so many drugs. *
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Tuscy
February 23, 2024, 13:09:35
Well fuck this is the truth but that coke isn’t going snort it’s self*
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Drippy
February 23, 2024, 16:15:32
For me it’s expand legal immigration/secure the border*
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CanHartlebHireSnider
February 23, 2024, 12:07:22
this*
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bigbop85
February 23, 2024, 13:04:03
nm*
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Blazer
February 23, 2024, 11:29:38
Zero*
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Blazer
February 23, 2024, 11:29:27
I want it fixed because I think it's a roundly stupid and divisive topic...
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haighter
February 23, 2024, 10:31:13
That doesn’t answer the question
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Sounder
February 23, 2024, 10:54:26
You should have answered higher, like haighter said
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TarheelIllini
February 23, 2024, 11:48:43
Like everything else, the republicans have no interest
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Sounder
February 23, 2024, 11:56:53
Actually, thinking a lot about this lately and the pubs would love a stab at “solving” the problem
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illini thunder
February 23, 2024, 23:48:59
I answered a 7. I think it's a fairly big deal both from an actual immigration standpoint...
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haighter
February 23, 2024, 11:21:52
Amazingly even spread in the answers*
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Stu
February 23, 2024, 9:51:59
it’s a perfectly crafted poll*
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bbonb
February 23, 2024, 12:42:05
Absolute hypocrisy. Abbot has spent over 140M and counting to throw migrants out of his state
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illini thunder
February 23, 2024, 9:37:24
lulz, math is hard guy*
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bigbop85
February 23, 2024, 13:04:48
are any bus-destination states investing resources to help solve the problem?
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bbonb
February 23, 2024, 12:39:45
Probably has a buddy who runs a bus charter biz. *
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doubledown
February 23, 2024, 10:17:36
Work with the feds lol.*
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gullit
February 23, 2024, 9:53:34
that's a lot less than it would cost to take care of them on the state's own budget*
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Potomac
February 23, 2024, 9:44:22
How about the 10B he’s also spent on barriers? *
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illini thunder
February 23, 2024, 9:46:08
changed the subject there - busing was a rational, economic decision
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Potomac
February 23, 2024, 9:52:05
I shouldnt be surprised at this
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opey8
February 23, 2024, 10:31:59
oh good "Christian values!" shouter is here*
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bigbop85
February 23, 2024, 13:05:44
I'm not the one claiming and then behaving in an opposing way
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opey8
February 23, 2024, 13:34:02
no no, picking and choosing which parts of the bible apply to conservatives is very sound logic
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bigbop85
February 23, 2024, 14:05:29
Christian here, you have a fundamentally broken understanding of the Bible*
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RVA
February 23, 2024, 15:34:44
Well GOP picks and chooses when the Bible and constitution are literal
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opey8
February 23, 2024, 14:17:11
ask the mayor of NY what he thinks
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Potomac
February 23, 2024, 11:26:48
It isn't unsophisticated to point out hypocrisy
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opey8
February 23, 2024, 11:31:23
I wasn't a hypocrite - I said some people make those arguments
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Potomac
February 23, 2024, 19:10:18
I understand why Texas does things explicitly against biblical teaching because economics
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opey8
February 23, 2024, 19:49:39
duplicate*
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Potomac
February 23, 2024, 19:10:17
It’s “lol” “SOLVE THE PROBLEM”
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illini thunder
February 23, 2024, 11:19:40
Have they "all been shipped out"?...because I'm fairly certain border states...
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haighter
February 23, 2024, 11:36:14
But specially, Texas. Abbot is doing everything to put financial burden on everyone else but the
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illini thunder
February 24, 2024, 0:01:46
I mean…that’s largely Texas right and prerogative isn’t it? Immigration, at its core…
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haighter
February 24, 2024, 9:19:48
I've really enjoyed the "sanctuary" city and states having that title but when being confronted
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bigbop85
February 23, 2024, 13:07:03
So you don't know what sanctuary city actually means*
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opey8
February 23, 2024, 13:35:37
A bussing program isn't inherently moral/ethical or immoral/unethical
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opey8
February 23, 2024, 11:38:56
I agree. I dislike that it's turned into a game of political gotcha...but it's 2024 in America...
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haighter
February 23, 2024, 11:41:16
In this case the we is the vocal minority
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opey8
February 23, 2024, 11:42:46
Gas must be really expensive. Thanks Biden!*
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ATL
February 23, 2024, 9:40:28
Genius Greg Abbott has turned it into the number one election issue.*
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gullit
February 23, 2024, 9:19:23
Asylum is over used and needs to be tightened up
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TarheelIllini
February 23, 2024, 8:51:12
I think it's awful how we're treating people who just want to come here to do jobs that
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doubledown
February 23, 2024, 8:15:51
The biggest problem is that it’s the one issue where Democrats mimic the typical Republican position
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GMAW
February 23, 2024, 9:29:28
I think the dems broadly do have a position though. They want money to be spent on better, easier,
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John Coctostan
February 23, 2024, 9:45:20
I mean...there has been a bipartisan solution on the table since the Bush administration
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ATL
February 23, 2024, 9:39:56
I voted 5. I’m not concerned with its security, and I don’t favor less total immigration
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snipes824
February 23, 2024, 8:10:01
I am pretty blasé about it, but also don’t live in a border state that is significantly impacted.
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DT
February 23, 2024, 7:42:13
I do live in a border state and for reasons I am not stating here, know a lot about the border
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Desert
February 23, 2024, 10:07:28
One other point - a large percentage (most?) people here illegally arrived legally
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ATL
February 23, 2024, 13:35:12
Good context, thanks for the info
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DT
February 23, 2024, 12:13:06
the disrespect shown to legal immigrants and those looking for green cards is pathetic
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Potomac
February 23, 2024, 8:29:46
If we were able to process applications in a timely fashion, there shouldn’t be “excess migrants”
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DT
February 23, 2024, 9:27:27
we agree that at some level there can be "excess" even if processes are efficient
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Potomac
February 23, 2024, 9:55:29
We need to massively expand legal immigration (for both high end and "low end" workers)
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ATL
February 23, 2024, 8:36:51
too often arguing for a tight border is labeled as anti-immigrant
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Potomac
February 23, 2024, 8:44:35
Disagree. "Tight border" is by definition anti-immigrant. "Secure border" can include policies
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ATL
February 23, 2024, 8:58:08
Hmm, interesting semantic distinction. I treat them about the same. Others might not.*
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Potomac
February 23, 2024, 9:13:12
Does your last sentence include a typo? You say “there is no reason”.
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jjlocke923
February 23, 2024, 9:07:54
Yes. Should have said "There is no reason to not...."*
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ATL
February 23, 2024, 9:38:31
This is easily the most reasoned take I've ever seen on this board*
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GrandmotherPearlsJam
February 23, 2024, 7:48:37
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