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Everybody wants to do it. You can't expect it to get done.
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Posted by ATL
on February 23, 2024, 16:13:58, in reply to "
Then it is not an emergency*
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What an unserious argument
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christofascists oppose it
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as dt outlined below, it seems like some fairly pragmatic solutions are available, yet no one seems to be willing to do it. hard to think it's elemental to american success when it appears more valuable to people as a problem.
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How many shits do you give about the border?
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Stu
February 23, 2024, 6:58:18
[poll]
So what is the actual, good faith argument, against expanding legal immigration?
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Blazer
February 23, 2024, 15:57:44
Are you saying the US doesn’t have robust legal immigration?
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bigbop85
February 24, 2024, 9:39:37
The smartest people in the world all want to move here. We should embrace more with open arms*
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gvibes
February 24, 2024, 11:58:06
1 billion Americans!*
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ECEIllinois
February 24, 2024, 21:03:18
We literally embrace more than any other country in the world*
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bigbop85
February 24, 2024, 15:04:48
Exactly this
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opey8
February 24, 2024, 12:15:19
That is exactly what we are saying*
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JacobRDaugherty
February 24, 2024, 9:41:23
Lol ok*
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bigbop85
February 24, 2024, 15:03:10
Just need to tell boomers that more people paying FICA props up their soc security and medicare
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meanjeans
February 24, 2024, 8:59:30
They'll just expect the government to print money for them vs making policy changes
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ghost_of_clt
February 24, 2024, 9:32:56
I am certainly no expert, but I think the economic impact really depends on education/skill
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DT
February 23, 2024, 16:44:52
I manage restaurants. Still waiting for that white guy to come in and apply to take out the trash
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JacobRDaugherty
February 24, 2024, 7:28:19
That’s actually evidence in support of the idea that immigration depresses low end wages
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DT
February 24, 2024, 9:52:44
This, right here *
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illini thunder
February 24, 2024, 8:40:44
But we’re making it impossible almost for college grad immigrants too
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John Coctostan
February 23, 2024, 17:05:57
I've been told in this thread policy of questionable morality that's economically justifiable is ok*
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opey8
February 23, 2024, 17:00:55
I'm fine with expanding legal immigration...especially making...
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haighter
February 23, 2024, 16:26:48
To be clear, illegal immigration violations are already pretty severe. The issue is enforcement
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ATL
February 24, 2024, 9:28:02
This pretty much what I want*
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Tooldresser
February 24, 2024, 9:01:10
I’m on board with this. *
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harb
February 24, 2024, 9:22:01
I might be wrong on this, but I think people are conflating “illegal immigration” and “asylum”
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snipes824
February 23, 2024, 16:37:43
If those "asylum seekers" that are released into the US pending their asylum hearing...
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haighter
February 23, 2024, 16:46:09
NPR just reported on immigrants in Denver
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opey8
February 23, 2024, 16:58:46
Yup...that doesn't seem like a system that's working...
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haighter
February 23, 2024, 17:03:25
You see… there was this bill that was negotiated for months… *
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illini thunder
February 23, 2024, 23:43:07
Well aware. The GOP isn’t going to get a better bill in the next congress. *
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haighter
February 23, 2024, 23:50:17
They don't want a "better bill". They don't want anything
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opey8
February 24, 2024, 9:00:58
I don’t think so. They want full control of all 3 branches to pass legislation they want and won’t
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illini thunder
February 24, 2024, 11:24:17
The bipartisan bill hires hundreds of judges to hear these cases and clear them in 3 months
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snipes824
February 23, 2024, 17:08:19
Yes I think that’s correct*
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snipes824
February 23, 2024, 16:50:05
Im not sure what you mean on the flip side piece
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DT
February 23, 2024, 16:33:03
It should all be on the table...
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haighter
February 23, 2024, 16:44:24
David Frum has made an argument that we are at a relatively high level of non-US born residents
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ATL
February 23, 2024, 16:13:08
You lost me at David Frum
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Blazer
February 23, 2024, 16:31:09
I wish as much legislation as campaign attention was given to it.
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AintHatin
February 23, 2024, 14:21:59
there is literally a bill that would pass the senate and the house and Biden supports
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ATL
February 23, 2024, 15:09:52
You can't expect bills to be passed in an election year under the current climate.*
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gullit
February 23, 2024, 15:50:22
LOL*
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ATL
February 23, 2024, 16:13:20
Then it is not an emergency*
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snipes824
February 23, 2024, 16:09:16
It's an emergency to create an election issue for a bad candidate and fundamentally immoral person
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opey8
February 23, 2024, 16:54:56
Surely you remember the widespread halt to new military spending in 1940 and 1944
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DT
February 23, 2024, 16:47:59
Everybody wants to do it. You can't expect it to get done.
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ATL
February 23, 2024, 16:13:58
Congrats on creating one of the most evenly distributed polls ever seen on here.*
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Philo
February 23, 2024, 13:10:09
Gallup poll out on Biden, border, economy, immigration
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bigbop85
February 23, 2024, 13:09:29
Are you going to vote for trump or biden?*
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Toonces
February 23, 2024, 13:46:38
well, to date I've only ever voted for Biden*
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bigbop85
February 23, 2024, 14:04:49
So this time…in 2024…are you voting for either of them? *
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haighter
February 23, 2024, 14:19:37
You’d think this would be an easy call for the boards most strident political poster.
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Toonces
February 24, 2024, 7:40:55
100% lying. No fvcking way he voted for Biden*
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WhitmansFolly
February 24, 2024, 7:46:43
TBD*
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bigbop85
February 23, 2024, 15:17:42
Would you prefer Newsom?*
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JeffFrank
February 23, 2024, 15:42:32
As a side note, while it’s obviously a huge, difficult problem
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DT
February 23, 2024, 12:19:46
This is true but many hardline immigration types oppose foreign aid as well*
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CanHartlebHireSnider
February 23, 2024, 12:40:48
The US could also reduce demand for illicit drugs by not consuming so many drugs. *
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Tuscy
February 23, 2024, 13:09:35
Well fuck this is the truth but that coke isn’t going snort it’s self*
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Drippy
February 23, 2024, 16:15:32
For me it’s expand legal immigration/secure the border*
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CanHartlebHireSnider
February 23, 2024, 12:07:22
this*
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bigbop85
February 23, 2024, 13:04:03
nm*
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Blazer
February 23, 2024, 11:29:38
Zero*
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Blazer
February 23, 2024, 11:29:27
I want it fixed because I think it's a roundly stupid and divisive topic...
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haighter
February 23, 2024, 10:31:13
That doesn’t answer the question
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Sounder
February 23, 2024, 10:54:26
You should have answered higher, like haighter said
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TarheelIllini
February 23, 2024, 11:48:43
Like everything else, the republicans have no interest
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Sounder
February 23, 2024, 11:56:53
Actually, thinking a lot about this lately and the pubs would love a stab at “solving” the problem
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illini thunder
February 23, 2024, 23:48:59
I answered a 7. I think it's a fairly big deal both from an actual immigration standpoint...
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haighter
February 23, 2024, 11:21:52
Amazingly even spread in the answers*
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Stu
February 23, 2024, 9:51:59
it’s a perfectly crafted poll*
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bbonb
February 23, 2024, 12:42:05
Absolute hypocrisy. Abbot has spent over 140M and counting to throw migrants out of his state
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illini thunder
February 23, 2024, 9:37:24
lulz, math is hard guy*
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bigbop85
February 23, 2024, 13:04:48
are any bus-destination states investing resources to help solve the problem?
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bbonb
February 23, 2024, 12:39:45
Probably has a buddy who runs a bus charter biz. *
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doubledown
February 23, 2024, 10:17:36
Work with the feds lol.*
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gullit
February 23, 2024, 9:53:34
that's a lot less than it would cost to take care of them on the state's own budget*
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Potomac
February 23, 2024, 9:44:22
How about the 10B he’s also spent on barriers? *
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illini thunder
February 23, 2024, 9:46:08
changed the subject there - busing was a rational, economic decision
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Potomac
February 23, 2024, 9:52:05
I shouldnt be surprised at this
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opey8
February 23, 2024, 10:31:59
oh good "Christian values!" shouter is here*
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bigbop85
February 23, 2024, 13:05:44
I'm not the one claiming and then behaving in an opposing way
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opey8
February 23, 2024, 13:34:02
no no, picking and choosing which parts of the bible apply to conservatives is very sound logic
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bigbop85
February 23, 2024, 14:05:29
Christian here, you have a fundamentally broken understanding of the Bible*
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RVA
February 23, 2024, 15:34:44
Well GOP picks and chooses when the Bible and constitution are literal
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opey8
February 23, 2024, 14:17:11
ask the mayor of NY what he thinks
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Potomac
February 23, 2024, 11:26:48
It isn't unsophisticated to point out hypocrisy
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opey8
February 23, 2024, 11:31:23
I wasn't a hypocrite - I said some people make those arguments
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Potomac
February 23, 2024, 19:10:18
I understand why Texas does things explicitly against biblical teaching because economics
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opey8
February 23, 2024, 19:49:39
duplicate*
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Potomac
February 23, 2024, 19:10:17
It’s “lol” “SOLVE THE PROBLEM”
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illini thunder
February 23, 2024, 11:19:40
Have they "all been shipped out"?...because I'm fairly certain border states...
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haighter
February 23, 2024, 11:36:14
But specially, Texas. Abbot is doing everything to put financial burden on everyone else but the
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illini thunder
February 24, 2024, 0:01:46
I mean…that’s largely Texas right and prerogative isn’t it? Immigration, at its core…
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haighter
February 24, 2024, 9:19:48
I've really enjoyed the "sanctuary" city and states having that title but when being confronted
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bigbop85
February 23, 2024, 13:07:03
So you don't know what sanctuary city actually means*
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opey8
February 23, 2024, 13:35:37
A bussing program isn't inherently moral/ethical or immoral/unethical
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opey8
February 23, 2024, 11:38:56
I agree. I dislike that it's turned into a game of political gotcha...but it's 2024 in America...
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haighter
February 23, 2024, 11:41:16
In this case the we is the vocal minority
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opey8
February 23, 2024, 11:42:46
Gas must be really expensive. Thanks Biden!*
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ATL
February 23, 2024, 9:40:28
Genius Greg Abbott has turned it into the number one election issue.*
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gullit
February 23, 2024, 9:19:23
Asylum is over used and needs to be tightened up
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TarheelIllini
February 23, 2024, 8:51:12
I think it's awful how we're treating people who just want to come here to do jobs that
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doubledown
February 23, 2024, 8:15:51
The biggest problem is that it’s the one issue where Democrats mimic the typical Republican position
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GMAW
February 23, 2024, 9:29:28
I think the dems broadly do have a position though. They want money to be spent on better, easier,
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John Coctostan
February 23, 2024, 9:45:20
I mean...there has been a bipartisan solution on the table since the Bush administration
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ATL
February 23, 2024, 9:39:56
I voted 5. I’m not concerned with its security, and I don’t favor less total immigration
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snipes824
February 23, 2024, 8:10:01
I am pretty blasé about it, but also don’t live in a border state that is significantly impacted.
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DT
February 23, 2024, 7:42:13
I do live in a border state and for reasons I am not stating here, know a lot about the border
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Desert
February 23, 2024, 10:07:28
One other point - a large percentage (most?) people here illegally arrived legally
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ATL
February 23, 2024, 13:35:12
Good context, thanks for the info
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DT
February 23, 2024, 12:13:06
the disrespect shown to legal immigrants and those looking for green cards is pathetic
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Potomac
February 23, 2024, 8:29:46
If we were able to process applications in a timely fashion, there shouldn’t be “excess migrants”
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DT
February 23, 2024, 9:27:27
we agree that at some level there can be "excess" even if processes are efficient
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Potomac
February 23, 2024, 9:55:29
We need to massively expand legal immigration (for both high end and "low end" workers)
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ATL
February 23, 2024, 8:36:51
too often arguing for a tight border is labeled as anti-immigrant
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Potomac
February 23, 2024, 8:44:35
Disagree. "Tight border" is by definition anti-immigrant. "Secure border" can include policies
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ATL
February 23, 2024, 8:58:08
Hmm, interesting semantic distinction. I treat them about the same. Others might not.*
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Potomac
February 23, 2024, 9:13:12
Does your last sentence include a typo? You say “there is no reason”.
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jjlocke923
February 23, 2024, 9:07:54
Yes. Should have said "There is no reason to not...."*
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ATL
February 23, 2024, 9:38:31
This is easily the most reasoned take I've ever seen on this board*
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GrandmotherPearlsJam
February 23, 2024, 7:48:37
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