If I say that I don't like a President that doesn't mean I disagree with everything that he does anymore than if I state I like a President that means I agree with everything he does. It's a general statement, Dara. . . an overall statement of like or dislike based on the big picture. If you need an example - I don't have to tell you that I dislike Trump. I do agree with him that the borders need to be better controlled. But I still, overall, dislike him. So if Obama did some good things, and Clinton did some good things, and Bush did some good things that should be acknowledged (credit where it's due) but - it still doesn't mean I like them.
Biden was in decline during his term. It should have been obvious to his healthcare provider before it became so publicly obvious. It was pretty obvious in the end of his term. It's close to impossible to believe that he had no clue - that no one ever said they had concerns to him, most of all his healthcare providers. He should have stepped down before it reached the point that it did rather than muddle through the rest of his term. He didn't and that's on him.
Numbers only tell part of the story. There is so much more to a President than numbers and stats. I am still waiting for proof of this 'war ravaged Portland'. That is not my description of the current situation in Portland. I bring it up because it is the basis that Trump is using to make his decisions.
"Again - you just want to claim that you win an argument - consider that you have Won because -"
Not interested. "I win, you lose" is a childish claim. If you want to know what my interest is in this, all you have to do is ask me. Don't assign motive to me. And you did.
The "damn troops in the street chit", as you put it, is relevant ...Trump is the one stating that he is going to send those "damn troops in" because of the "war ravaged" situation in Portland. It is the situation in Portland and what is being done about it that this thread is about. It is what is being discussed here in this thread. If there was absolutely nothing going on in Portland but everyday hum-drum life, this thread would make no sense.
As far as politics - I was responding to this:
Dara: "But it is disingenous of both the left and the media to present the information in the manner they are."
DD: "Partisan politics has no place in this. This isn't about politics and finger pointing and what side of the aisle is guilty of what. This is not a case of one side wanting the cities to be 'cleaned up' and other side wanting 'crime' (which is the implication that is being made here). It's about a President characterizing a situation as something it is not (Portland is not war ravaged) and using it as an excuse to 'send in the troops'."
In your assessment, there is sufficient cause to 'send in the troops' (paraphrasing, not a direct quote). In my assessment, Trump doesn't have the legal authority to do so at this point. That is what this is about - not winning the argument, not partisan politics, not about left or right, not about the media, not stats and who left the borders open and who kicked the most illegals out of the country.. . . . I didn't bring any of that up.
Does Trump have the legal authority to do what he says he will do? You say yes, I say no.
At this point, I doubt either one of us will change our minds. Time to agree to disagree.
- trish September 30, 2025, 2:49 pm