Like I said, I haven’t focused on the OSCR process, so I have no idea what’s involved Archived Message
Posted by GMAW on January 19, 2024, 16:49:00, in reply to "i don't see that clear path based on how this judge clearly characterized the elements of the ...."
If the process is robust and requires testimony from, for example, the accuser, I think Shannon is pretty safe. I’m still not removing my cup, because NWTFITWTF Illinois thing would be to look this gift horse in the mouth and not allow a federal judge to give them license to let their lottery pick play. Previous Message OSCR process. Previous Message But there is clearly a path to suspending him again - and quickly - if the University is dead set on keeping him off the floor. I do wonder whether this will be Whitman’s call. Previous Message Doing something “quickly” doesn’t seem to be proceeding with that caution. Guessing the last thing they want is to end up in federal court again risking a second loss. We’ll see. Previous Message to suspend. The University commenced the OSCR investigation on January 5. The school could quickly make this a moot point if the OSCR investigation also concludes that Shannon should be suspended. I have not focused on the OSCR policy so I'm not sure what is involved.
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- TSJ files for TRO - jdl January 8, 2024, 16:37:22
- Underwood presser - biclops January 20, 2024, 14:32:24
- Can’t go to the game so I sold my tix on seatgeek. Doubles the price I normally charge - Cunativeson January 20, 2024, 11:13:57
- Per Brad, Shannon will not start Sunday - jdl January 20, 2024, 10:38:01
- I don’t love Underwood saying this is “still a very, very serious situation” - GMAW January 20, 2024, 11:11:59
- From an optics standpoint, I think it would be smart to have him check in during a TV timeout - OB25 January 20, 2024, 10:52:50
- After taking a beating for this dumb passing thought I had, I will now heed yo-yo’s advice… - OB25 January 20, 2024, 12:07:32
- I think you’re worrying about this too much - GMAW January 20, 2024, 11:54:23
- Crushed by who? Julie DiCaro? Who gives a shit?* - IlliniOllie January 20, 2024, 11:39:35
- He's gonna get an ovation no matter what* - CanHartlebHireSnider January 20, 2024, 11:02:52
- Innocent until proven guilty, especially with this DA and the facts that have come out. Kid was - LovetheChief January 20, 2024, 10:58:59
- Well said* - Blazer January 20, 2024, 12:05:58
- yep* - suburbanmyth January 20, 2024, 11:29:39
- Are you suggesting this to avoid having the ovation on TV? - jdl January 20, 2024, 10:58:01
- jesus christ* - suburbanmyth January 20, 2024, 10:55:52
- Are we not supposed to cheer for the star athlete we have been fawning over for 3 weeks? - Dilbert January 20, 2024, 10:55:45
- Yeah, i would batter him either. Work him back slowly, no need to get hurt - Mrap24 January 20, 2024, 10:43:52
- just came here to post this. Piper has some quotes on his timeline - biclops January 20, 2024, 10:40:42
- Steve Beckett on SMSL seemed to confirm that there is DNA evidence and it’s not Shannon’s * - illini21 January 20, 2024, 10:11:00
- I really would love to be a fly on the wall at practice today - GMAW January 20, 2024, 9:38:34
- I think I'm more excited about getting his defense back than his offense. - Illiniphil January 20, 2024, 9:25:42
- On vacation, just seeing all of this from last night. Holy crap, I’m in shock that it went - voiceofreason January 20, 2024, 9:25:29
- Safe to assume, and rightfully so, TSJ won’t be made available to the media after games* - Mrap24 January 19, 2024, 22:40:09
- I’m still in disbelief he’s back* - CWR10 January 19, 2024, 21:33:57
- Brief fun with numbers with and without TSJ - LWillhite January 19, 2024, 21:09:21
- Roughy speaks to the twitter lawyer - biclops January 19, 2024, 20:46:39
- Going to halftime of the Wis/IU game and I’m told they’re gonna talk to TSJ. On FS1 - IlliniSax05 January 19, 2024, 20:36:35
- Roughy has a pod up with the Mitch lawyer guy - Blazer January 19, 2024, 20:36:21
- So when is the earliest we’re thinking a punishment could be reinstated? - Carl Spackler January 19, 2024, 18:28:26
- ooo - opossum jenkins January 19, 2024, 19:30:01
- Not editing below. I am pleased with the result, not just for Illinois basketball - GMAW January 19, 2024, 18:19:01
- I am - GMAW January 19, 2024, 18:10:16
- living rent free in Juwan’s head* - memyselfandillini January 19, 2024, 21:37:25
- a man. I'm 40!* - Illiniphil January 19, 2024, 21:30:18
- Groot* - Phytynlini January 19, 2024, 20:17:07
- ...the King of the Highway - RSMBob January 19, 2024, 19:46:53
- become Death* - PapaDels January 19, 2024, 19:11:41
- Still thinking Michigan is a bad match up for us?* - bigbop85 January 19, 2024, 19:04:27
- Still wearing my cup* - timmer January 19, 2024, 18:54:03
- Legend* - DocWalk20 January 19, 2024, 18:23:00
- Batman.** - Chicago1995 January 19, 2024, 18:22:34
- Tiger Woods! * - jdl January 19, 2024, 18:20:04
- Superman - ATL January 19, 2024, 18:18:06
- Spartacus.* - SurfTheBoneyard January 19, 2024, 18:13:00
- I said I wanna get next to you* - assassin January 19, 2024, 18:12:47
- I said* - jjlocke923 January 19, 2024, 18:12:07
- Smelling like a rose* - Toonces January 19, 2024, 18:11:41
- What's baffling about the judgement to me is that - ArtVandelay January 19, 2024, 17:58:58
- Poor Rutgers.... - ilinni11 January 19, 2024, 17:45:39
- I wanna be happy about this, but it's just a gross situation all-around. - IlliniRunner January 19, 2024, 17:35:59
- I’m sorry, but when is the next thing on the legal side of things? - biclops January 19, 2024, 17:30:43
- espn article on front page.... - suburbanmyth January 19, 2024, 17:17:06
- UI response - jdl January 19, 2024, 16:48:39
- Yellow card for diving.* - SurfTheBoneyard January 19, 2024, 17:17:38
- Awesome. * - harb January 19, 2024, 17:10:32
- *stringer bell meme** - snipes824 January 19, 2024, 17:07:33
- Let’s win a Natty* - illini21 January 19, 2024, 16:55:13
- Cool. Seems like the most logical response* - CanHartlebHireSnider January 19, 2024, 16:53:27
- Awesome for hoops. Now I hope he can prove his innocence before the tourney. * - Nobster January 19, 2024, 16:52:40
- Only one thing left to do....win the whole fvking thing* - UofIL6 January 19, 2024, 16:51:56
- Of course* - gvibes January 19, 2024, 16:51:37
- Booyah* - Jackie January 19, 2024, 16:51:22
- Excellent* - GMAW January 19, 2024, 16:50:53
- Woot* - Blazer January 19, 2024, 16:50:07
- Excellent* - DocWalk20 January 19, 2024, 16:49:30
- YES!!!!!!!* - suburbanmyth January 19, 2024, 16:49:18
- Law Talkers. I was talking to a non board lawyer alum/fan and he thinks this also means - OWWDig January 19, 2024, 16:48:19
- Boom! - JeffFrank January 19, 2024, 16:44:22
- <DGL Mom>Great, even less PT. Painter balls. <\DGL Mom> * - jjlocke923 January 19, 2024, 16:38:36
- LOL* - DocWalk20 January 19, 2024, 16:48:23
- Quick skim of the opinion says that Title IX doesn't apply, but the OSCR policy would be adequate - GMAW January 19, 2024, 16:14:09
- We can thank Coney Barrett. Seriously. I don’t think university has any real chance to resuspend… - LeatherneckIllini January 19, 2024, 16:42:20
- Judge was reading mock drafts - snipes824 January 19, 2024, 16:37:54
- and the tenor of this judge's order is very pro-TSJ; i get she is going off of his complaint - suburbanmyth January 19, 2024, 16:31:30
- Would they need to return to court with evidence of the process followed before suspending - larue33 January 19, 2024, 16:31:07
- I’m guessing the university is going to proceed with extreme caution here.. - Ron McDon January 19, 2024, 16:20:22
- What’s the downside for Illinois of a second loss? Damages if TJ takes the suit to endgame?* - opossum jenkins January 19, 2024, 16:26:45
- I agree that the better approach is to be cautious - GMAW January 19, 2024, 16:25:24
- The judge suggests that the victim's identity has to be known. I wonder when - gvibes January 19, 2024, 16:40:13
- Do you mean his call to use the OSCR process at all or to play him. - ATL January 19, 2024, 16:28:40
- i don't see that clear path based on how this judge clearly characterized the elements of the .... - suburbanmyth January 19, 2024, 16:26:12
- Like I said, I haven’t focused on the OSCR process, so I have no idea what’s involved - GMAW January 19, 2024, 16:49:00
- Hi Ron! I agree!* - Poldark January 19, 2024, 16:24:34
- i'm with you ron, see below - suburbanmyth January 19, 2024, 16:23:19
- i don't think the opinion is as definitive... - suburbanmyth January 19, 2024, 16:19:27
- Was really counting on JW and the U to take a dive. No need to rub tobasco in our eyes.* - Chuck Woodaby January 19, 2024, 16:18:10
- And now I will put my cup in.* - Chuck Woodaby January 19, 2024, 16:11:34
- This is going to be really fascinating to see how it plays out - OB25 January 19, 2024, 16:09:59
- Let's 2017 South Carolina this thing - Blazer January 19, 2024, 16:04:46
- So, for us non-law talkers he can play? And if so, how soon?* - ibdoc January 19, 2024, 16:00:35
- i like my donuts from dunkin, not krispy kreme; i will share with chuck* - suburbanmyth January 19, 2024, 15:41:14
- You need some Mell-O Cream donuts* - ilinni11 January 19, 2024, 16:32:19
- *doffs hat** - Ron McDon January 19, 2024, 16:08:38
- Only the finest Boston crème to thee, sir* - Jackie January 19, 2024, 15:57:51
- Christ, there is no board that can suck the joy out of a positive than we can. - tvillini January 19, 2024, 15:54:35
- This has a 14 day shelf life, right?* - opossum jenkins January 19, 2024, 15:41:51
- Gilfillan was on WDWS yesterday - jdl January 19, 2024, 14:21:47
- HE WAS RIGHT! TRO GRANTED - jdl January 19, 2024, 15:36:24
- Actually, more than that. The Court jumped straight to a preliminary injunction* - gvibes January 19, 2024, 16:29:53
- Suck it, Alma Mater. Now go win a Natty* - bbonb January 19, 2024, 16:01:54
- That will help with depth.* - Toonces January 19, 2024, 15:58:33
- Awesome!* - Tooldresser January 19, 2024, 15:57:12
- FUCK YEAH* - Jackie January 19, 2024, 15:56:41
- Wow. Crazy.* - JFG January 19, 2024, 15:54:16
- 247 poster says they rejected the Title IX claim but agreed he did not get due process - jdl January 19, 2024, 15:49:07
- Whoa. This is very un-Illini* - AintHatin January 19, 2024, 15:41:38
- OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG* - Blazer January 19, 2024, 15:40:22
- so much for the deuce lawyers and fake lawyers* - suburbanmyth January 19, 2024, 15:38:20
- LFG!* - illini21 January 19, 2024, 15:38:16
- THANK YOU DEMOCRATIC VOTERS AND JOLIET!!!* - Poldark January 19, 2024, 15:37:26
- Whoa. Surprising* - CanHartlebHireSnider January 19, 2024, 15:36:46
- Had one presser from JW, do we ever get another??? * - osklister January 19, 2024, 15:28:57
- He’s just a little airborne * - assassin January 19, 2024, 14:59:18
- I'm not seeing it. The delay portends poorly for TSJ* - GMAW January 19, 2024, 14:58:26
- Taking this long makes me doubt this. Seems prime for a Friday news dump denial today* - John Coctostan January 19, 2024, 14:31:56
- TSJ takes over as host of TRL* - VIV January 18, 2024, 16:37:57
- People! You all need to prepare for no TSJ the rest of this season - timmer January 18, 2024, 16:05:45
- Preliminary hearing set for Feb 23 - jdl January 18, 2024, 15:17:58
- So if the TRO isn’t granted, that’s the last chance likely for a change in his status… - LeatherneckIllini January 18, 2024, 15:20:16
- Considering it's been nearly a week since the TRO hearing - CanHartlebHireSnider January 18, 2024, 15:53:51
- Let's 2017 South Carolina this thing* - Blazer January 18, 2024, 15:52:00
- I was hoping to hear about the TRO today* - Tooldresser January 18, 2024, 15:34:14
- That's always been the case * - jdl January 18, 2024, 15:22:37
- This was never going to play out in time* - CWR10 January 18, 2024, 15:22:11
- FUBAR* - CubsWonWorldSeries January 18, 2024, 15:21:20
- Champaign Showers FOIA timeline - jdl January 18, 2024, 13:43:23
- Bump for yoyo* - HamptonSki January 18, 2024, 11:37:52
- I realize it is civil vs criminal and there are title IX considerations, but the accused rapist - Chuck Woodaby January 17, 2024, 12:47:34
- See update from Mitch Giflillan. Interesting that defense subpoenaed KBI. - LovetheChief January 17, 2024, 11:51:12
- I'm not sure why thats suprising - assuming they did the DNA testing* - NastyBoyd January 17, 2024, 12:27:19
- who is KBI* - suburbanmyth January 17, 2024, 12:14:21
- ooo - assassin January 17, 2024, 12:15:40
- That says pretty much what we all already knew - snipes824 January 17, 2024, 12:01:21
- Don't they get access to all of those items anyway? - BradUnderwoodforprez January 17, 2024, 11:56:07
- please stop posting in this thread until we have the decision so i don't have to keep - suburbanmyth January 16, 2024, 11:54:54
- Reply all* - JacobRDaugherty January 16, 2024, 12:02:43
- so should we hear about the TRO today? - Tooldresser January 16, 2024, 9:28:15
- There better be a law clerk polishing of an order to be filed today. I know judges don’t work very - LovetheChief January 13, 2024, 11:32:00
- Goodman saying decision possible next week, attributing to Shannon’s legal team - snipes824 January 12, 2024, 15:07:47
- Per Andy Olson, the Court did not rule from the bench* - GMAW January 12, 2024, 15:05:02
- No ruling - jdl January 12, 2024, 15:04:23
- Is TSJ free yet?* - illini21 January 12, 2024, 14:40:36
- No but looks like a bunch of players showed up - CanHartlebHireSnider January 12, 2024, 14:42:18
- Where is that?* - CubsWonWorldSeries January 12, 2024, 14:45:27
- Coleman should take over the case - jdl January 12, 2024, 14:44:19
- Badum Ching! * - IlliniRunner January 12, 2024, 16:32:40
- LOL* - DocWalk20 January 12, 2024, 15:18:54
- Luzl* - Jackie January 12, 2024, 14:58:22
- Civics extra credit* - timmer January 12, 2024, 14:44:13
- Assume hearing is not being streamed or publically accessbile. Just did a quick X search and don't - LovetheChief January 12, 2024, 13:39:58
- Amy Coney Barrett to the rescue? - OB25 January 12, 2024, 12:44:23
- What time is the hearing?* - Blazer January 12, 2024, 12:11:12
- So when will we likely know the outcome? Tonight?* - ISeeDeadHawkeyes January 12, 2024, 11:21:10
- Seems like a lot of this hinges on whether the "GA" that drove them - WhitmansFolly January 12, 2024, 10:42:12
- People on other boards now want Geoff Alexander fired for turning his back on TJ - OB25 January 12, 2024, 10:30:08
- On the morning of this hearing, taking stock, and just really conflicted. - JFG January 12, 2024, 9:40:22
- Does the good friend who would not go to games care about whether he is guilty or not? - JeffFrank January 12, 2024, 11:31:11
- Dupe* - John Coctostan January 12, 2024, 10:05:53
- Agree with all. It’s a shit situation in which nobody wins and everything feels yucky* - John Coctostan January 12, 2024, 10:05:53
- I find it hard to believe *nothing* happened - AintHatin January 12, 2024, 10:02:00
- What I find puzzling is the lack of security footage and no witnesses - CubsWonWorldSeries January 12, 2024, 9:43:55
- It’s impressive how good lawyering can sway you in a close case - snipes824 January 12, 2024, 9:38:11
- It is handy to have all these lawyers on this board at times like this* - Tooldresser January 12, 2024, 9:34:41
- What is the correct course here if he did get handsy with the girl? - TarheelIllini January 12, 2024, 6:09:20
- Mitch Gilfillan thoughts - CubsWonWorldSeries January 12, 2024, 1:11:19
- Response in. Declarations in support from Geoff and Whitman. 43 pages, I ain't reading, g'night* - gvibes January 11, 2024, 23:33:45
- In support of him being suspended?* - Mrap24 January 12, 2024, 7:56:29
- A couple things interesting to me in reading the response - OB25 January 12, 2024, 0:26:48
- At first blush, this does not look like the school caving. And they do make GMAW's point* - gvibes January 11, 2024, 23:40:08
- Pacer? Or somewhere else? Wish my dad still had his account* - LeatherneckIllini January 11, 2024, 23:34:39
- Pacer* - gvibes January 11, 2024, 23:36:09
- Will a ruling be made tomorrow?* - Mrap24 January 11, 2024, 23:02:54
- First person I saw when I walked into SFC tonight: TSJ’s attorney. * - Philo January 11, 2024, 23:01:00
- UI still hasn’t filed its response* - GMAW January 11, 2024, 22:58:08
- Graphic design is my passion - biclops January 11, 2024, 18:39:19
- TSJ lawyer's move to get admitted to practice before the central district of illinois denied - ArtVandelay January 10, 2024, 12:29:11
- I wanna go on record as saying that he is in the lineup this Sunday.No inside info, just predicting* - jjlocke923 January 10, 2024, 9:58:08
- The only thing I've really learned in all this..."grabbing them by the pussy" is an actual thing. * - haighter January 9, 2024, 21:41:42
- With all the various legal points being made here, I’m curious what people think actually happened? - meanjeans January 9, 2024, 17:13:09
- I think TSJ at least got fresh/grope-ey with her* - gvibes January 9, 2024, 19:02:16
- I'd put money on someone put their finger in her vagina* - CoronaTheirAss January 9, 2024, 18:03:17
- No way to know obviously - jdl January 9, 2024, 17:22:44
- No one here knows that. - DocWalk20 January 9, 2024, 17:18:06
- I guess I’d need a description of what she was wearing - bbonb January 9, 2024, 17:16:48
- If you read the affidavit, I think you can figure out what she probably WASN’T wearing. * - doubledown January 9, 2024, 17:41:49
- If you're suggesting underwear, the police affidavit says her underwear were collected* - GMAW January 9, 2024, 18:07:05
- Then I guess I just can’t quite understand the logistics of the alleged offense - doubledown January 9, 2024, 18:13:47
- DELETE - GMAW January 9, 2024, 18:18:09
- It does. She says he reached under her skirt from behind, "flicked" away her underwear, - GMAW January 9, 2024, 18:18:07
- Just doesn’t compute for me. I guess I don’t have long enough arms. - doubledown January 9, 2024, 18:27:08
- You guys are the best * - digs January 9, 2024, 20:06:16
- hi digs* - Nobster January 10, 2024, 6:54:07
- ooo - biclops January 9, 2024, 18:37:07
- Busted for three seconds violation; too much time in the lane* - Potomac January 10, 2024, 10:14:32
- Re: ooo - Phytynlini January 9, 2024, 19:00:00
- Re: ooo - DocWalk20 January 9, 2024, 19:30:36
- Re: ooo - CubsWonWorldSeries January 10, 2024, 6:47:38
- Re: ooo - ghost_of_clt January 10, 2024, 6:52:14
- I also somewhere where she described how TSJ allegedly stuck his finger - CanHartlebHireSnider January 9, 2024, 18:09:04
- Lederhosen?* - DocWalk20 January 9, 2024, 18:03:56
- body worn camera?* - NastyBoyd January 9, 2024, 17:59:59
- Flats?* - Chuck Woodaby January 9, 2024, 17:50:48
- UI ordered to file written response by 1/11. Hearing scheduled for 1/12 at 1:30 - GMAW January 9, 2024, 16:12:21
- 1/12 at 130pm….right in the middle of a snowstorm* - timmer January 9, 2024, 16:29:11
- that is encouraging* - suburbanmyth January 9, 2024, 16:24:11
- Hasn’t been entered here yet but for anyone that doesn’t have PACER access - CanHartlebHireSnider January 9, 2024, 16:19:36
- AS I HAVE SAID ALL ALONG* - gvibes January 9, 2024, 16:16:00
- So no MSU? Boo-urns.* - Chuck Woodaby January 9, 2024, 16:14:22
- Yahoo sports article - jdl January 9, 2024, 15:32:00
- Man this letter he wrote the panel. Sorry if posted elsewhere. - nash January 9, 2024, 15:22:15
- Earliest the motion will be heard is 1/23… - OB25 January 9, 2024, 14:39:49
- Looks like this case is already on it's 3rd judge per the docket* - CanHartlebHireSnider January 9, 2024, 14:26:22
- Paywall, but News-Gazoo just posted a letter from TJ* - OWWDig January 9, 2024, 14:12:01
- any updates on the rumored text messages?* - biclops January 9, 2024, 12:06:49
- Yahoo summary. Shannon and Harmon had a chaperone - CubsWonWorldSeries January 9, 2024, 11:57:50
- I've read everything. I think Shannon has a reasonable chance of winning on the merits - GMAW January 9, 2024, 11:38:34
- When is the judge hearing this?* - Mrap24 January 9, 2024, 9:59:40
- After perusing this stuff last night and today, I think I'll stay with my original stance: - JFG January 9, 2024, 8:23:26
- if ever there was a year for a big ten team - John Coctostan January 9, 2024, 6:58:11
- Panel did uphold suspension - jdl January 8, 2024, 19:03:03
- And here's the police affidavit - jdl January 8, 2024, 18:53:34
- That’s the story? It sounds like utter codswallop. * - doubledown January 8, 2024, 19:25:18
- Not sure how someone is convicted on those facts but not a ridiculous story* - gvibes January 8, 2024, 19:20:25
- waive* - biclops January 8, 2024, 19:09:17
- lulz* - illini21 January 8, 2024, 19:10:14
- My goodness. That is trash police work. - Desert January 8, 2024, 19:08:20
- So this is truly just a she said he said with no other evidence. Although telling the friend - John Coctostan January 8, 2024, 19:03:04
- I’m confused by the timeline - CanHartlebHireSnider January 8, 2024, 19:02:46
- I though the parts in Ked’s screenshot that talked about the internet searches… - OB25 January 8, 2024, 19:02:22
- More via Ked - jdl January 8, 2024, 18:44:21
- Re: TSJ files for TRO - Phytynlini January 8, 2024, 18:39:07
- this just makes me fuckin sad - Sammich January 8, 2024, 18:35:12
- You learned how to swear too?* - Stu January 8, 2024, 19:08:21
- The worst part is the hypocrisy.* - Chuck Woodaby January 8, 2024, 18:42:16
- Counterpoint: the same people now have to admit that police and prosecutors lie and frame young - ATL January 8, 2024, 18:38:57
- Sad, bizarre, fucked up….so many adjectives. Sucks* - OWWDig January 8, 2024, 18:36:46
- His attorney has to be wildly confident in his case to put this all out there* - bigbop85 January 8, 2024, 18:19:29
- #FreeTSJ* - bigbop85 January 8, 2024, 18:11:35
- Selfishly I hope he can play. But I also a) obviously hope he didn't do it, and b) not looking - Warrin'_Illini January 8, 2024, 17:57:47
- Looks like the article has been updated with more details of the filing * - jdl January 8, 2024, 17:54:38
- illinois practitioners, what is the maximum period of a TRO? looks like 20 days maybe?* - gvibes January 8, 2024, 17:45:21
- So what’s the legal case here? - DT January 8, 2024, 17:26:55
- attorney is a diehard Illini fan who repped Jimmy Collins - Poldark January 8, 2024, 16:55:31
- Because we’re Illinois, this is going to end up screwing us in every possible way - OB25 January 8, 2024, 16:49:27
- 4D chess* - biclops January 8, 2024, 16:48:12
- Apparently there's some sort of hearing on his case in KS tomorrow? - Illiniphil January 8, 2024, 16:47:55
- Hope we get a friendly judge* - CanHartlebHireSnider January 8, 2024, 16:47:01
- well, this got awkward...* - IlliniRunner January 8, 2024, 16:40:15
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